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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Success from Seed
« on: March 28, 2012, 07:58:30 AM »
Generally speaking if a variety is a cross combing desirable characteristics from two different lines you should expect a higher variation in the off-spring than if it is a pure-line itself, where unrepresentative genes for that line has been removed selectively for generations.
Now, I have no idea about the origin of the mentioned guava varieties but guava is not considered to reproduce true to type from seeds, for that you need vegetative propagation, although you can expect many traits of the parent to appear in the seedlings.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Need Help Identifying Tree
« on: March 27, 2012, 05:47:20 AM »
You can't taste the fruit? That would make it a lot easier to identify.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: March 27, 2012, 03:42:24 AM »
Hi all ,
Been collecting rare fruits for the last 15 years , was kinda slow on the rarefruit yahoo group so I decided to visit you guys.
Currently growing over 300 sp. and any seed I can get my hands on.....running out of space though...
Glad to see some of my old friends are also posting .
Oh yes forgot to say I am in Mexico , Puerto Vallarta area and the source for the now famous Mexican Garcinia , no accepted scientific name so far..

Hi Luc - happy to finally see you here!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: List of drought tolerant trees
« on: March 26, 2012, 09:46:38 AM »
Can't add much to the list already mentioned apart from some African species, but they will be difficult to get a seed source from.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia stipitata in bloom
« on: March 26, 2012, 09:28:02 AM »
Tomas, pictures or it didn't happen ;D

My words (in Danish)  :D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: List of drought tolerant trees
« on: March 26, 2012, 08:14:56 AM »

I don't know how mamey-sapotes do with salt spray.  [In Belize some sapodillas grow in the sea.] 

In Yucatán, mamey-sapotes withstand prolonged dry seasons annually, on shallow clay soils over limestone rocks, with the water table probably well over 50 feet down in most places.  I don't know what the air humidity levels run there.  We were not discussing desert plants.

Recently we have had several drought years here in south Florida, with little rain from November thru June.  My sandy yard is 27 feet above the water table.  I don't have an irrigation system, and sporadically water plants that look stressed.   Many plants and trees have died in my yard, but all the ones I listed (except for mamey-sapote and carissa, which I observed elswhere) are doing just fine, some with no rain or irrigation for two months.

I did not list soursop, which has needed frequent extra waterings.  I also did not list Rollinia deliciosa (mucosa) which do not survive for me unless grafted on drought- hardy rootsock.  Sugar-apples just barely hold on.

Har - I noticed you listed Annona purpurea. My A. squamosa and A. muricata does better than my A. purpurea which drops all the leaves and kinda dries up a bit during the dry seasons.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: List of drought tolerant trees
« on: March 26, 2012, 07:56:05 AM »
Hi Dave,
I can see the total precipitation for Turks and Caicos Islands average 600mm per year - is that correct? With temperatures of 25-30c.  So if you are not planning to irrigate, you need to select your trees carefully - that is fairly tough conditions.
Which trees are you growing or have tried to grow?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruiting and medicinal trees
« on: March 26, 2012, 05:50:58 AM »
Hi good people am from Kenya and for along time now have been planning to start a tree planting project in my home area.I come from a semi arid area where the soil is infertile and rain patterns erratic.The plan initially was just to plant any tree but i was fortunate enough to meet some people who were more knowledgeable in this field and they advised that i plant fruiting and medicinal trees since this will be a major source of income to the residents.There are no productive crops planted my them at the moment and most homes here are struggling to make ends meet.

I intend to donate seedlings to homes and also encourage them to buy there own and take the initiative of caring for the trees but the biggest dilemma is that i have no idea on the best trees to plant,the best way to plant them and the best way to care for them.

Any advise?

Hi Victor, welcome to the forum - I am staying next door in Uganda (Kampala) - where precisely are you located in Kenya? I know many areas gets less than 750mm precipitation per year especially the northern parts, so you would need to select the species carefully as irrigation in my experience would not be feasible for the rural communities.
 
I can also recommend "A selection of useful trees and shrubs for Kenya: Notes on their identification, propagation and management for use by farming and pastoral communities. 1992, ICRAF".

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wildlife in your fruit trees ?
« on: March 26, 2012, 05:22:54 AM »
There was a jackson chameleon on one of the lychee branches that we were about to run through the chipper shredder. Fortunately one of us saw it and we spared it a grueling death.
Oscar

Great photos, thanks for sharing - can see East Africa is now truely represented in Hawaii.! Looks like many former exotic pets have established viable populations in Florida as well...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia stipitata in bloom
« on: March 26, 2012, 03:21:37 AM »
Billeder tak  ;)

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Honestly, I am not using cuttings for propagation; I am using one of the mature M. calabura trees as a shade at my nursery, and the bird-droppings (full of M. calabura seeds) have now given me a source for seedlings as they sprout in the bags below at random after which I transplant to their own pots. I easily get 5-6 seedlings a month this way.

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Oscar, I have had some luck with cuttings - and that is without a rooting hormone, but at other times it did not work out at all. Shade, temperature, soilmix, time of year etc. all could to be factors which influence the success, and which I have not managed yet. A friend of mine cut off to big branches from a tree I gave him years back and managed to root both just by placing them in the soil during the rainy season...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: List of drought tolerant trees
« on: March 26, 2012, 02:14:19 AM »
Exactly, there are many aspects of drought tolerance as it as a relative term; adaption to seasonal drought (precipitation patterns), total amount of precipitation, humidity, and other factors like soil type and whether the tree is established with deep roots or not etc.
What I consider a drought tolerant tree growing in Northern Uganda (1000mm precipitation with two distinct rainy seasons) will not be considered drought-tolerant in Egypt (with 100mm precipitation or so).


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Picked a Rollinia today
« on: March 23, 2012, 04:32:20 PM »
Adam: Forgot to mention, the pulp is not firm when ripe, but with a fine taste. Bears heavily on a small tree. Future, I can mail seeds if you need this variety in your collection.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Picked a Rollinia today
« on: March 23, 2012, 04:13:46 PM »
Hi Soren, beautiful fruit.
There is a lot of genetic diversity in Rollinia deliciosa. There were even some developed in Brazil for commercial growers that have almost smooth exterior, that way they don't get damaged so easily. But even on my two trees i get a lot of variation in size and shapes. Size of seed has a lot to do with the size of fruit. Even on same tree small fruits have small seeds and large fruits large seeds.
Oscar

Yes, I have noticed the same. Adam, the source seeds came from Jim West. It appears number of seeds are related to number of sections, and size of seeds to size of sections. So combine the characteristics of Noels fruits with the 'humongous', and we could get the biggest ever :-)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Picked a Rollinia today
« on: March 23, 2012, 09:17:46 AM »
Thanks Steven - it was back in 2009. Very much different in appearances from Noel's picture first under this topic. Not only by the length of the protrusions, but also the number and size of the sections - as they are being related to the seeds I assume mine fruit has smaller but more seeds than Noels.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Picked a Rollinia today
« on: March 23, 2012, 02:11:27 AM »
This one was not picked today, nor is it my biggest yet.! But is was the first I grew and tasted, held by my gardener. All of the fruits from these trees have a fair size and large protrusions.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: An Abiu Story
« on: March 20, 2012, 09:56:00 AM »
Hi Felipe,
No, several of the trees have been flowering for the third season now, previously with no fruits (which I know is fairly common). Do expect some this year though and will post pictures when it happens.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: An Abiu Story
« on: March 20, 2012, 04:06:28 AM »
I am growing P. bullata, which is more drought-tolerant than P. caimito, and also thrive on soil with a higher clay content; perfect for the Ugandan conditions.

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Can subscribe to the comments of Adam and Oscar; thanks a lot for the interesting information and surely there will be many with an interests in cultivating some of these rare and promising hybrids.! Are you still growing any of them yourself?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Endangered Fruit Species Part 2
« on: March 16, 2012, 07:42:27 AM »
Yes, in situ collections take up space, and they also take up a lot of money. Because all these trees need to be maintained for many years. What ends up happening to many of these in situ collections is that when the government runs low on money, or real estate prices spike they cut down the trees and sell for housing. This almost happened in Miami experimental station called Chapman field. I heard it if wasn't for a strong grass roots protest that whole place would now be condominiums.
Oscar

Good to hear is was saved! I am sure it happens everywhere. Here in Uganda the Botanical Garden was almost turning into a jungle because of lack of funding. However, now it is doing fair but still understaffed and the curator told me people steal the metal posts with the plant names, to sell for scrap, so they now have a poor record of the collection (apparently they have not been mapping the locations).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New Fruit So-Shang Elaeagnus latifolia
« on: March 16, 2012, 03:10:14 AM »
Hi Oscar, I did - but the rainy season has not started yet - it looked good in the beginning of the month but for a couple of weeks; no rain. April is the most rainy month, so it should have started - can't be long now!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New Fruit So-Shang Elaeagnus latifolia
« on: March 16, 2012, 02:52:23 AM »
That looks really good Oscar.! I am still to see any blossom on the way, but hope it will come soon.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Endangered Fruit Species Part 2
« on: March 16, 2012, 02:41:37 AM »
One of the big problems with in situ collections are the lack of gene diversity - trees take up space, so many collections are forced to either have just a few samples of several species which will not be representative of the total gene pool, or concentrate on a single or few species but then have a broader gene pool. Here in Entebbe Botanical Gardens, they have tried to secure the gene diversity of Garcinia buchananii by collecting seeds from the different forest resources around the country - I think their collection is at 12 trees or so (possibly not more than 2 trees from each sub-population), which is on the low side.

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Good job posting these references - I will try and add more when time allows for it.!

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