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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Duguetia for Trade/Sale
« on: September 29, 2014, 01:52:09 AM »
I have very good experience in trading with Dada.
He is trustworthy.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: unknown seeds sumatra, artocarpus?
« on: September 23, 2014, 04:23:12 AM »

http://www.mysabah.com/wordpress/the-coolest-fruit-of-borneo/


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Grafting Techniques - Easy to learn Video
« on: August 11, 2014, 07:58:14 AM »
Grafting Techniques



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mango poly vs mono
« on: August 08, 2014, 09:53:50 PM »
Quote from: Squam256 on August 08, 2014, 09:01:02 PM
Polyembryonic mangoes were introduced to south India by the Portugese from SE Asia, and not the other way around.

Technically speaking mangifera indica originated in the area of Northeast India/Bangladesh/Burma and migrated from there to SE Asia, so one could claim SE Asian mangoes are descended from Indian type, but polyembryonic mangoes likely got their start in SE Asia before migrating to India.
Then why there is not even a single mono variety mango in the Western Ghat jungles.
All the wild varieties are monos.
Do you mean the Portugese introduced poly mangoes to the Western Ghat jungles also?
Atleast 100 mono varieties can be found in Kerala.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mango poly vs mono
« on: August 08, 2014, 08:28:56 PM »
Quote from: murahilin on August 08, 2014, 01:29:32 PM
Quote from: vipinrl on August 08, 2014, 01:10:19 PM
True!
The Portugese took 'Manga' (Mango) and 'Chacka pazham' (Jack fruit), 'pazham' means fruit, to Brazil and introduced Cashew, Cassava, Papaya, Latex plant in India.

In India, the Portugese were based in the South. Thats why they took the 'polys' to SE Asia, and not the 'monos'.

Are you saying that the mangos in SE Asia all came from India? If so, that's not correct.
My theory may be wrong that the Portugese have introduced poly mangoes to SE Asia from S India.
But I am sure that large number of native poly varieties found in S India, including wild varieties found in jungles, are native and not brought from SE Asia.

ANOTHER THEORY:
The Western Ghats was formed by the collision of a large land mass with the Indian sub-continent long before the collision of Indian sub-continent with the Asian continent forming the Himalayas.
It may be possible that the land mass collided with the Indian sub-continent was once a part of the SE Asia.
The presence of poly mangoes in S India (Western Ghats) and in SE Asia supports this theory.
Also, you can compare the similarities between Jackfruit (native to Western Ghats) and Chempedak (native to SE Asia).
Wild jackfruit (Artocarpus hirsutus), native to Western Ghats, is similar to Marang and its relatives found in SE Asia.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mango poly vs mono
« on: August 08, 2014, 01:10:19 PM »
Quote from: Berto on August 08, 2014, 12:11:00 PM
Yes, indeed!
The Portuguese took "manga" and "jaca" to Brasil from India, over 500 years ago. 
Manga and jaca adapted extremely well to Brasil. They adapted so well that some Brasilians, erroneously, even think that manga and jaca are native to Brasil.
The most famous varieties in Brasil are "manga espada", and "manga rosa".  Espada is green when ripe, and Rosa is very pink.  Now, espada means "sword" in Portuguese, and Rosa means "pink". 
Both of them have fibers, and are delicious.  Both varieties are poly embryonic. I wonder what is the name of these varieties in India?  Any takers?
By the way, is there any collector growing these varieties?  Thank you!
True!
The Portugese took 'Manga' (Mango) and 'Chacka pazham' (Jack fruit), 'pazham' means fruit, to Brazil and introduced Cashew, Cassava, Papaya, Latex plant in India.

In India, the Portugese were based in the South. Thats why they took the 'polys' to SE Asia, and not the 'monos'.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mango poly vs mono
« on: August 08, 2014, 09:37:43 AM »
Quote from: zands on August 08, 2014, 08:11:49 AM
Quote from: vipinrl on August 08, 2014, 07:36:36 AM
Quote from: zands on August 08, 2014, 07:16:47 AM
Quote from: vipinrl on August 07, 2014, 12:56:42 AM


All most all native Mango varieties found in the region between Western Ghat and Arabian Sea (distributed through South Indian states Goa, Karnataka and Kerala) are poly-embryonic.


Very interesting. Might be due to Portuguese/Spanish trade. Do you know if Fernandin mango of Goa is poly-embryonic? http://www.goaholidayhomes.com/information/mangoes-of-goa.html


I am not sure about the particular Mango variety. That variety may have a different name in Kerla (my native).
I always noticed that native varieties of Kerala are poly-embryonic. This was confirmed when I read about this in a research paper by some research scholars.


Thanks. The Portuguese got around a lot Asia. The Spanish were in the Philippines where the traditional mangoes would be poly. I am theorizing that between these two nations some poly mangoes were brought back to the Goa area and bred with the older native mono mangoes

This theory may be wrong (Yes, I said 'may be').
Locally prized Mangoes in Kerala such as Moovandan, Thaali, Kilichundan, Kappa are polys.
These varieties are known for centuries and not a single native mono variety is found in Kerala.
Portugese took Mango from Kerala to Philipenes and othe countries.
It is well known that Mango is native of India.
The term Mango was originated from 'Manga' which means Mango in Kerala.
The Portugese still use the name Manga.
It is almost clear that the Portugese took Mangoes (poly) to South East Asia.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mango poly vs mono
« on: August 08, 2014, 07:36:36 AM »
Quote from: zands on August 08, 2014, 07:16:47 AM
Quote from: vipinrl on August 07, 2014, 12:56:42 AM


All most all native Mango varieties found in the region between Western Ghat and Arabian Sea (distributed through South Indian states Goa, Karnataka and Kerala) are poly-embryonic.


Very interesting. Might be due to Portuguese/Spanish trade. Do you know if Fernandin mango of Goa is poly-embryonic? http://www.goaholidayhomes.com/information/mangoes-of-goa.html


I am not sure about the particular Mango variety. That variety may have a different name in Kerla (my native).
I always noticed that native varieties of Kerala are poly-embryonic. This was confirmed when I read about this in a research paper by some research scholars.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mango poly vs mono
« on: August 07, 2014, 12:56:42 AM »
Quote from: zands on August 06, 2014, 10:54:35 PM
These days with interbreeding it is getting difficult but the original division was:
  • Poly-        Southeast Asia and Philippines mangoes
  • Mono-      India-Pakistan mangoes
  • with the offshoot of:
  • Mono-      Just about all of the older traditional Florida mangoes due to Indian ancestry. You see them in the Pine Island Mango viewer

All most all native Mango varieties found in the region between Western Ghat and Arabian Sea (distributed through South Indian states Goa, Karnataka and Kerala) are poly-embryonic.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red carambola
« on: July 24, 2014, 04:48:50 AM »
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-STARFRUIT-CARAMBOLA-SEEDS-RARE-EXOTIC-ORGANIC-Averrhoa-carambola-/331268301105?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d21212131,
Don't know whether it is a scam.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Melicoccus jimenezii/ Talisia Jimenezii
« on: July 23, 2014, 04:25:56 AM »
Can anybody provide some information about Melicoccus jimenezii/ Talisia Jimenezii, which is endemic to Dominican Republic?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cashew Roostock for Mango
« on: July 22, 2014, 04:00:54 AM »
One thing I forgot to mention:
   Usually 1 year old Mango seedlings are used for grafting(other than epicotyl grafting) / budding.
   We can substitute 4 month old Cashew seedling  for 12 month old Mango seedling :).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Cashew Roostock for Mango
« on: July 21, 2014, 09:17:35 AM »
Anybody tried Cashew (Anacardium occidentale) rootstock for grafting/ budding Mango (Mangifera indica)?

I read that Cashew rootstock will help in,
   1) Drought tolerance
   2) Tolerating salinity in the soil
   3) Yielding double sized fruit with smaller seed
   4) Reducing bearing age


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Artocarpus hirsitus wild jack
« on: July 20, 2014, 05:36:39 AM »
Fruits can be harvested atmost 3-4 days before consuming.
Usually, the fruit don't ripe off the tree.
If not harvested, the fruits decayes on the tree itself, like the Jackfruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Artocarpus hirsitus wild jack
« on: July 20, 2014, 01:18:43 AM »


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Artocarpus hirsitus wild jack
« on: July 19, 2014, 09:58:01 PM »
The texture of the flesh is sligtly mushy, which sticks to the seeds.
Tastes very sweet and superior to common Jackfruit; though some inferior varieties are sour-sweet with much more latex.
The fruit usually weigh between 200 - 600 grams.
The tree grows with a straight main trunk. Lower branches usually break-off as the tree grows.
So I doubt this trees use as a wind breaker.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Suggestion for sellers
« on: July 18, 2014, 04:53:56 AM »
I have good experience with Maryoto though I traded only once with him.
The Rambutan rapiah seeds he sent were dried out. When I acknowledged him about the receipt non-viable seeds, he resent some fresh seeds.
The second batch of seeds had very good germination rate.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Processing cashews
« on: June 23, 2014, 12:41:54 AM »
This is the easiest way to shell Cashew nuts:
Take a large enough pot (preferably an earthenware).
Fill half of the pot with clean sand.
Put the nuts in the pot and fire at the bottom; stir occasionally with a stick.
When it begins to smoke, increase the frequency of stir.
Soon, both the sand and the nuts become brownish (you can hear some fireworks inside).
Take a sampling out of the pot and try to crack the shell with a wooden hammer (don't forget to wear gloves).
Continue firing, stir till the nuts are roasted properly.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting, budding: the basics
« on: April 25, 2014, 11:55:47 PM »
Quote from: wslau on April 25, 2014, 10:20:49 AM
On a related topic, a friend and I have been working on a (Mango) "Grafting 101" writeup for newbies...something I wish I had years ago.
Some of the terminology we have used may be a little off.   Any comments/corrections or experiences from the mango grafting gurus on this forum would be greatly appreciated.  Please see below.  [edit] Sorry...its a little wordy and no pictures yet.

Really great effort!


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Grafting, budding: the basics
« on: April 25, 2014, 12:35:04 AM »

http://www.nt.gov.au/d/Content/File/p/Tech_Bull/TB194.pdf


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Name my farm
« on: April 08, 2014, 01:51:05 AM »

"Eden Garden"


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Amazing Article on growing temperate fruit in the tropics!
« on: February 16, 2014, 11:45:45 AM »
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If you have unlimited space to plant let it grow and see, ...
:blank:?! :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Amazing Article on growing temperate fruit in the tropics!
« on: February 16, 2014, 08:29:25 AM »
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However your Fuji apple is not a low chill type. It is rated 400 hours. It certainly will not fruit in lowland tropics.
  ??? :(

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Amazing Article on growing temperate fruit in the tropics!
« on: February 16, 2014, 01:41:15 AM »
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Vinpinrl - did you purchase the tree from a place where it had ALREADY received
it's chill hours for that season?  Seems like it would have to be a spring purchase.
Then the theory behind his observation goes - that the tree would not be triggered
to go into dormancy but would grow and fruit and grow and fruit and continue
that cycle forever.  That's what I read in the article.

I have germinated Apple seeds myself by keeping them moist in the refrigerator.
MY PLANT NEVER GOT ANY CHILL HOURS.
The seeds did (Fuji and Red Delicious) germinate in 10 - 12 days in the refrigerator.
Information I got from the internet was that the Apple seeds need cold stratification of 60 – 90 days in the refrigerator!
Now, I understand that the 'COLD STRATIFICATION FOR 2 – 3 MONTHS' IS A MYTH, at least for the Apple seeds.

Grape vine seeds can also be germinated in 10–25 days (inside or outside the refrigerator).


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I mean, maybe it's all hype mixed with wishing, but the only way to tell would be for Bankok or vipinrl or someone living in a warm winter area to try it out - of course with a tree that was purchased having already receive significant winter chill...

Some years back, there was an article in a local daily about a Doctor couple (I don’t remember the subject).
A picture of the couple was given posing in front of their home, which is near to my home town.
In their background, there was a fully loaded Apple tree! (I am not sure whether that was a Crab apple tree).
The temperature of the region ranges between 75oF and 100oF and the maximum altitude should be less than 50ft.
On seeing that picture only I decided to grow an Apple tree.

I have seen Grape vines fruiting at my location, at an altitude of only 5ft!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Amazing Article on growing temperate fruit in the tropics!
« on: February 15, 2014, 08:58:51 AM »
Quote from: Mark in Texas on February 15, 2014, 08:34:44 AM
Quote from: vipinrl on February 15, 2014, 07:45:27 AM
According to the article, in tropical climates, the Apple plant won't enter a dormant stage!
So, what is going on with my seedling?
I'd yank it out if I were you.

I don't have the heart to kill the baby.
I am going to wait for 3-5 years more :)
Let's hope for some miracle to happen  ;)

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