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Sorry.  looks like I am covering old ground here.  I thought the finding was new.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/25/opinion/stop-making-us-guinea-pigs.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=c-column-top-span-region&region=c-column-top-span-region&WT.nav=c-column-top-span-region

The issues surrounding G.M.O.s — genetically modified organisms — have never been simple. They became more complicated last week when the International Agency for Research on Cancer declared that glyphosate, the active ingredient in the widely used herbicide Roundup, probably causes cancer in humans. Two insecticides, malathion and diazinon, were also classified as “probable” carcinogens by the agency, a respected arm of the World Health Organization.

Mark Bittman

Roundup, made by Monsanto for both home and commercial use, is crucial in the production of genetically engineered corn and soybean crops, so it was notable that the verdict on its dangers came nearly simultaneously with an announcement by the Food and Drug Administration that new breeds of genetically engineered potato and apple are safe to eat. Which they probably are, as are the genetically engineered papayas we’ve been eating for some time. In fact, to date there’s little credible evidence that any food grown with genetic engineering techniques is dangerous to human health — unless, like much corn and soybeans, it’s turned into junk food. But, really, let’s be fair.

Fair, too, is a guess that few people are surprised that an herbicide in widespread use is probably toxic at high doses or with prolonged exposure, circumstances that may be common among farmers and farmworkers. Nor is it surprising that it took so long — Roundup has been used since the 1970s — to discover its likely carcinogenic properties. There is a sad history of us acting as guinea pigs for the novel chemicals that industry develops. For this we have all too often paid with our damaged health.

Rarely is that damage instantaneous, but it’s safe to say that novel biotechnologies broadly deployed may well have unexpected consequences. Yet unlike Europeans, Canadians, Australians and others, we don’t subscribe to the precautionary principle, which maintains that it’s better to prevent damage than repair it.

We ask not whether a given chemical might cause cancer but whether we’re certain that it does. Since it’s unethical to test the effects of new chemicals and food additives on humans, we rely on the indirect expedient of extensive and expensive animal testing. But the job of the F.D.A. should be to guarantee a reasonable expectation of protection from danger, not to wait until people become sick before taking products off the market. (You might have thought that government’s job was to make sure products were safe before they were marketed. You’d have been wrong — Rezulin or phthalates, anyone?)

Even now, when it’s clear that more research must be done to determine to what degree glyphosate may be carcinogenic, it’s not clear whose responsibility it is to conduct that research. The public health agencies of other countries? Independent researchers who just happen to be interested in the causes of non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, the cancer with which glyphosate is associated, according to the I.A.R.C.?
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Or — here’s an idea — how about Monsanto, which has made billions of dollars selling glyphosate and the associated seed technology. (The company produces crop seeds that are resistant to glyphosate, which can thus be freely sprayed onto fields, in theory killing all plants but the crop. This scheme isn’t working as well as it once did for weed control, because many weeds have become glyphosate-tolerant. But that’s another story.)
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Mr. Bittman takes glysophate out of its larger context and further enhances the “guilt by association” trap that populist fear-mongering...
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I applaud Mark Bittman for telling most of the truth about G.M.O.s and Roundup. I say "most of the truth" because, despite his statement...
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Now that the safety of glyphosate is clearly in question, perhaps it’s time to mandate that the corporation — not the taxpaying public — bear the brunt of determining whether it should still be sold. Since the Environmental Protection Agency doesn’t have the resources to test, let Monsanto pay for the necessary, and independent, research.

While we’re at it, let’s finally start labeling products made with genetically engineered food. Right now, the only way we can be sure to avoid them is to buy organic food. If G.M.O.s were largely beneficial to eaters, manufacturers would proudly boast of products containing them. The fact is that they have not. To date, G.M.O.s and other forms of biotech have done nothing but enrich their manufacturers and promote a system of agriculture that’s neither sustainable nor for the most part beneficial.

We don’t need better, smarter chemicals along with crops that can tolerate them; we need fewer chemicals. And it’s been adequately demonstrated that crop rotation, the use of organic fertilizers, interplanting of varieties of crops, and other ecologically informed techniques commonly grouped together under the term “agroecology” can effectively reduce the use of chemicals.

Meanwhile, how about getting glyphosate off the market until Monsanto can prove that it’s safe to use? There’s no reason to put the general population, and particularly the farming population, at risk for the sake of industry profits.


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I agree. A great outfit:)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Conserving graywater for fruit trees
« on: March 18, 2015, 02:47:30 PM »
Buy this book.
http://oasisdesign.net/greywater/createanoasis/

Easier if your yard slopes away from your house.  Just use regular pic with specific black couplers that split the flow each time it branches.  Important to keep the downward pitch consistent. At the ends the outflows will be buried under mulch in shallow basins around your trees. Pretty simple but a fair amount of work to get installed.

I put in a branched drain gray water system. All my sinks and washing machine drain into a pipe that leaves the house and branches out to 20 tree "basins". Works great and has been trouble free for about 8 years.  As someone noted, using gray water with a drip system does not really work due to clogging.


thanks, this is probably what I'm after... primarily for washing machine though. would you mind sharing more about the physical setup? What are those basins? any precautions? any valves or switches? much much appreciated!!

Yes we'll watch our laundry detergents very carefully if the graywater ends up in the yard!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What are some flood tolerant trees?
« on: March 18, 2015, 08:34:11 AM »
Good luck with those Adam. I have a few of those down under seedlings as well. Tough customers!  Thanks Mike T. 🍏


Black Sapote is flood and drought tolerant


that's good to hear...i have 4 seedlings from Australia planted here...so far they love it.

jaboticaba!  I believe some of the eugenias will do fine as well. 

Annonas on pond apple (A. glabra) could handle it no problem.

This link has some info as well. [url]http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/hs202[url]


Which jaboticabas and eugenias?

Check for Adam's post on this.  There's much more info


too many to list...I think the question is, which ones are not tolerant of wet feet?

I will be finding out more about this as the rainy season progresses.

(wet feet is different than totally flooded....there are not many species I know of that can handle total inundation for extended periods...besides Myrciaria dubia....I can't think of many other plants...although I'm sure they exist.)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Conserving graywater for fruit trees
« on: March 18, 2015, 08:25:08 AM »
I put in a branched drain gray water system. All my sinks and washing machine drain into a pipe that leaves the house and branches out to 20 tree "basins". Works great and has been trouble free for about 8 years.  As someone noted, using gray water with a drip system does not really work due to clogging.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What are some flood tolerant trees?
« on: March 15, 2015, 11:18:24 AM »
Black Sapote is flood and drought tolerant

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Termites are good for soil and trees...
« on: March 02, 2015, 03:28:41 PM »
The New York Times reports today

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/science/termites-are-guardians-of-the-soil.html

And while the public may view termites as pale, blind half-inch vermin that can genuinely eat you out of house and home, only a handful of the 3,000 or so known termite species are pests to people. Many of the rest, you can thank for the ground beneath your feet, which is where the majority of termites live and tirelessly work. The closer scientists look, the longer grows the list of subterranean tasks that termites take on.

“They’re the ultimate soil engineers,” said David Bignell, a termite expert and emeritus professor of zoology at the University of London.

By poking holes, or macropores, as they dig through the ground, termites allow rain to soak deep into the soil rather than running off or evaporating. Termites artfully mix inorganic particles of sand, stone and clay with organic bits of leaf litter, discarded exoskeletons and the occasional squirrel tail, a blending that helps the soil retain nutrients and resist erosion.

The stickiness of a termite’s feces and other bodily excretions lend structure and coherence to the soil, which also prevents erosion. Bacteria in the termite’s gut are avid nitrogen fixaters, able to extract the vital element from the air and convert it into a usable sort of fertilizer, benefiting the termite host and the vast underground economy.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Humic Acid
« on: March 01, 2015, 01:08:44 PM »
I have been using dry humates http://www.amazon.com/GreenSense-Dry-Humate-40-Lb/dp/B00025H2R2 in combination with agricultural sulfur, zinc, boron and heavy mulch for the last two years.  Everything is much greener and more drought tolerant in my 8.2 ph "soil"

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: peat moss what is it good for ?
« on: February 25, 2015, 04:49:55 PM »
Early on I mixed some into the soil in a small area of my 8.2 ph yard. It did seem to lower the ph a bit. Not a good mulch but a good acidic long term amendment IMO

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: No wood chipper? No problem!
« on: February 23, 2015, 04:59:15 PM »
If a chipper isn't in your budget, try a reciprocating saw with a pruner blade. Much safer than a circular saw IMO.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: No wood chipper? No problem!
« on: February 22, 2015, 12:29:40 PM »
A great deal on a wood chipper in Daytona Beach

http://daytona.craigslist.org/grd/4899829258.html

I have this type.  Works GREAT.  Keep your fingers:)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Would pine tree mulch lower soil PH?
« on: February 17, 2015, 04:47:14 PM »
Organic material is neutral ph once it breaks down. The idea is to add as much organic material as possible to buffer the ph in the soil. The ph of the base soil itself will not change but having a smaller percentage of the alkalai base soil in proportion to the organic material will lower the ph overall. Because organic material rots away faster in the tropics, organic material must be replenished on a regular basis or the overall ph will go back up.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: TREES! in the Keys
« on: February 16, 2015, 12:09:51 PM »
Cool thread.  I have not ever rinsed seaweed and I never noticed any harmful effects from salt.  I usually add a layer of seaweed and then a layer of needles or wood chips on top.  Helps keep the smell down and seaweed from blowing away after it dries out.  I think I remember a discussion about injecting sulfuric acid into irrigation water to lower ph but I have never done it myself.    Best,  Dave

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: fruits for dry tropical/subtropical climate
« on: February 11, 2015, 04:51:46 PM »
There is a previous thread I started a couple of years ago with quite a few great suggestions including

Black sapote
Monkey orange
Marula
Marolo
Pomagranate
Panama cherry
Jambolan plum
Othelite gooseberry
Barbados cherry
Natal plum
Indian jujube
Kei apple
Canistel
Brown ivory
Sugar apple

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: great guanabana video
« on: February 08, 2015, 11:20:08 AM »
The bags don't need to be carefully closed, because the bugs don't even try to get in--- they fly right on by, because they don't recognize the shape.

Thanks Har  Now I get it:)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: great guanabana video
« on: February 08, 2015, 10:56:35 AM »
They bag the fruit to keep the Flies from laying eggs inside the fruit..

Great video Adam , And Colombia is a great Country to visit , I was Married There ;)..

Ed ..

Thanks Ed!  It didn't look like they were sealed to me. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: great guanabana video
« on: February 08, 2015, 10:46:58 AM »
Yo no habla espanol.    Do they bag the fruit to keep the rain off them?    Thanks  Dave

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That is a shame, must be from young children over indulging themselves with lychee fruit. Maybe they are eating small parts of the seed as well?

Good question.  Are the seeds toxic?

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/31/world/asia/litchi-toxin-may-give-rise-to-mysterious-epidemic-in-india-inquiry-finds.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

NEW DELHI — An intensive investigation of a mysterious annual epidemic in northern India in which thousands of young children suffer convulsions, lapse into comas and die has concluded that a toxin found in litchi fruit may be the cause.

“We believe it’s likely to be some sort of toxin” that causes a sharp drop in blood sugar levels that then leads to seizures, said Dr. Padmini Srikantiah, one of the authors of a description of the investigation in this week’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, a publication of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in the United States.

Investigators are testing a variety of possible poisons as catalysts for the malady, including pesticides and heavy metals. But the region is India’s litchi center, and the epidemic occurs every year just as the fruit ripen. So a toxin found in litchi seeds has become a focus of further testing, Dr. Srikantiah, a senior epidemiologist with the American agency, said on Thursday.

The affected children begin arriving every year in mid-May, brought to overburdened hospitals in one of India’s most impoverished areas by panic-stricken mothers who generally report that their young children, healthy just hours before, awoke with a scream in the middle of the night, suffered convulsions and then became unconscious.

Although public health statistics are often unreliable in India, the mysterious illness is believed to afflict tens of thousands of people a year and kill thousands.

The first reports of the disease date to 1995, when nearly 1,000 children were sickened and 300 died in the three hospitals in Muzaffarpur in Bihar State. Smaller epidemics have followed almost every year since, and similar outbreaks have been reported in litchi-growing regions of Bangladesh and Vietnam.

Doctors work to calm the convulsions and keep the stricken children hydrated, but they then have to watch helplessly along with the anguished parents as a third of their young patients die, often within hours. Then, as suddenly as it started, the outbreak stops with the onset of the monsoon rains in July.

The newly reported investigation, led by Indian epidemiologists with assistance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, has given doctors another tool by suggesting they quickly assess the children’s blood sugar levels and provide intravenous glucose if levels are too low.

The hope is that further testing will definitively reveal whether the litchi toxin is the cause and perhaps help find an antidote. Why the sickened youths’ siblings and immediate neighbors are so rarely affected is still unknown.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee Trees Free. You Dig.
« on: January 21, 2015, 06:31:19 AM »
Or you could try enlarging your mulch bed and covering with mulch and compost and add agricultural sulphur, zink and boron.  Have you tried foliar feeding?  Done a soil  or leaf analysis?  Any idea what your soil ph is?    Those are good size trees and it would be hard for me to give up on them...   :).  Good luck

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soilless mix: alternative to peat moss?
« on: January 19, 2015, 06:02:55 PM »
Here is a cool chart listing growing mediums, their porosity, and water retention properties.

http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/GrowingMedium

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burr medic does well on high PH soil with low rainfall.  Chokes out other weeds, creates biomass, nitro fixer and reseeds.

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Sorry guys, I had to pull down the list for now, hopefully in a few months things will settle back down and I can start shipping again.

Thanks for everything,
-Ethan

Hope everything is ok buddy.  All the best,  Dave

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