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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoyas, Mangos and guavas
« on: December 02, 2013, 01:25:24 PM »
Impressive fruit!  Very jealous!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Homemade Shade Cloth?
« on: December 02, 2013, 01:23:33 PM »
You can shade with anything you want.  If you don't have a light meter you may have issues of getting the level of shading you want.
The issue for most is durability.  How long can it handle the UV, wind, rain and elements.  If you're in a grow tent the only issue you really have is how long before the material breaks down due to UV.  There is no law about what shade material is.

I wouldn't think cherimoyas wouldn't have any issue with grow lights, unless you are running some serious lumens.  You could also dumb down your lighting unless there are other plants you want to get more.  Even directional positioning may give you the tweak you want.

Thanks for the info. Yes I'm surprised the cherimoyas seem to be having issues with the light, based solely on what folks have told me. But they seem to be burning for sure.

The light is only a 400W and I have hung fairly high.

I guess the issue could be heat .... from what I've read, cherimoyas aren't exactly heat-loving.....?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Homemade Shade Cloth?
« on: December 02, 2013, 12:58:54 PM »
I'm thinking our little cherimoyas need some shading in our Grow Tent (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=8167.msg104359#msg104359)

Was planning to build a PVC frame to put over them and then cover with some kind of shade cloth, preferably something I already have lying around the house.

In my novice's mind, shade is shade, whether it comes from loosely woven fabric or window screen or whatever. 

Do I actually have to go buy shade cloth or can I use some scrap fabric or window insect screen that I have?  I'm not really finding many references to makeshift shade cloth anywhere. 

I guess the downside would be controlling/knowing the amount of light transmission you're getting. Not that I have any idea how much shade they need :)

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I, for one,  am bit unhappy with this forum and its founders.  It seems that it causes me to spend an inordinate amount of time reading and writing about tropical fruit trees, and other less important subjects, taking me away from my work and family.  One particular moderator/administrator/founder is highly capricious and dictatorial. And there are numerous members that cause me tremendous tropical fruit envy.  So thanks a lot for forcing me to hang out in this forum, suffering all the while.  I will definitely be making a New Year's resolution to continue and intensify my complaints as outlined above.  ;)
I am in the same boat, thanks for the good work

HA!!  Same here and thanks to all the wonderful people here on the Forum for their help and kindness.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Our New Grow Tent Setup! and Some Questions
« on: November 26, 2013, 09:52:22 AM »
Oh, and just to point out: 0.4kW x 24h/day x 120 days x $0.11/kWh = $127 a year. Multiply that by the number of years a good fixture could last - 5-10 years if you're only using it for the winter. So do consider that when making future lighting decisions.  :)

Thanks!  My rate is $0.09 so I'm ahead by a bit!  We need to get a timer for the lights...we've been a little inconsistent with the hours of light per day.  Most mornings it's on by 630am, but if Henry sleeps in, it may not be until 8am and then off again at 10pm when he hit's the sack.  So not really ideal.

I have a 12-amp Outdoor Christmas light timer but the documentation for the Hydrofarm Ballast says minimum 15 amps....but then it mentions a 1000W ballast. So not sure if the 12 amp one is good enough for a 400W ballast...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grow tent - construction and results
« on: November 25, 2013, 10:23:30 PM »
Quite a DIY accomplishment! I may have to do something similar if (okay - when!) we outgrow our little setup (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=8167.msg104359#msg104359).

I really drooled over the Blackdog LEDs, but at our experience level, it's overkill I think.

If we expand our setup I think i'll use some of the Panda Wrap stuff (http://www.homedepot.com/p/Viagrow-Panda-Film-25-ft-x-10-ft-Black-and-White-Poly-Film-5-5ml-VPANDA25/203478327#.UpQT8sRDsrU)

How specifically are you generating all that humidity?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Our New Grow Tent Setup! and Some Questions
« on: November 21, 2013, 06:38:29 AM »
Great job guys and great father/son time too.  I agree with COPlantNut, that bad boy is going to fill up fast! 

Good luck!

Thanks!  I'm not sure who's having more fun with it - me or Henry.

And thanks, Kevin, for all the advice.....again! 

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Stunning picture! My iPhone takes better pictures than my digital camera, but it's just a point-and-shoot job.

And what could be better? A hike near a volcano on a tropical island, eating wild tropical fruit along the way  :D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Our New Grow Tent Setup! and Some Questions
« on: November 19, 2013, 08:45:41 PM »
After much research, labor, and advice from CoPlantNut, Mr. Caimito and I finally got the winter home for our small plant collection up and running! I wish we had gotten it going about 3 weeks before we did - the plants were rather deprived of light and were not in a particularly warm environment either.


It's a no-name grow tent of nominal 4x4x7 dimensions. Seems pretty well made but the listed dimensions are quite generous - it's only about 6.5 feet high. We're running a 400W Philips Colormaster Ceramic Metal Halide bulb in a Hydrofarm Daystar reflector with a lens. Maybe not the best setup but we just needed something to keep the plants alive without too much of an investment.

Mr. Caimito's bedroom is rather spacious, especially when it comes to vertical clearance. If we need to expand, I thought I might try to rig something where we use the walls of the tent but build it up to the ceiling.

We've got one coffee plant, 3 cherimoya seedlings, 2 papaya seedlings, a Muntingia calabura, and a Cogshall mango. There are also some Aframomum seeds from Soren in the little seed starter thing, under some plastic wrap.

Health report and questions:
Cogshall - prior to getting the tent, the leaves started curling somewhat and browning on the edges. I hadn't watered it in possibly 3 weeks prior to putting it in the tent (oopsie). I've "flushed" it (watered heavily until draining significantly, allowed to drain completely) twice in the past 3 weeks at this point. It has definitely started pushing new growth from three nodes since going into the tent, but the leaves still look pretty bad. Possibly a tad worse - hard to say.
-----Questions: Is this salt damage to the leaves? What should my watering regimen be? It's in the pot and soil from Excalibur. Should I move to a root-pruning pot with gritty mix? (It will be in a pot forever)


Cherimoyas - prior to tent life, these were doing fairly well by a partially sunny window in ambient temps which were probably between 60-65F for the past couple months. They seemed to grow in spurts, and sometimes they'd kind of flop over a bit. Since going into the tent, they have straightened up, but they seem to possibly be getting "burned" (see pics).
-----Questions: What's happening to the leaves and what should I do about it? 

Papayas - once we realized these puppies needed full sun, they really took off (compare to Mr. Caimito's post here! http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=7258.0). They seem to be doing just fine in the tent. Not growing as rapidly as during August. I'm just trying to keep them modestly moist. Any tips welcome.

Coffee - pretty much a champ like the papayas. Only issue we've had is some burning when I put it in full sun one day in July. Since then, near a window, it's put on a couple of flushes. Since moving to the tent it's really taken off, pushing several new leaves. Just trying to keep it modestly moist too. Advice?

"Cotton Candy Berry" - we got this from Logee's in August. I have to say it's been one of the fussier, unpredictable plants we own. It arrived ragged-looking and pretty much still looks that way. It has several leaves with brown edges. In August, outside, it seemed to put on a little new growth but since coming indoors, prior to the tent, it kinda declined. I can't seem to figure out how to make it happy. I have deduced - possibly erroneously - that it likes constantly moist soil. I thought it would take-off in the tent but it hasn't really done much. Possibly bouncing back a little bit.
-----Questions: What are we doing wrong? I thought these were pretty easy to grow but it's puzzling me so far. 

Last but not least - in keeping with KarenRei's and CoPlantNut's warnings, we sure 'nuff have little flies flitting around the tent - appeared a few days ago. Mr. Caimito noticed that the papayas have several little whitish specks on the stem, resembling grains of sand. Assuming these are the eggs? I'm certain these are very common pests and there's ample info out there, but would welcome any quick advice.

Huge thanks again to CoPlantNut for his help in getting me set up - before I talked to him, I didn't know a ballast from a biscuit cutter!

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I think the real question here is where did you get that cool knife?

Ha! I had the same thought....wicked blade!

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Way cool, Oscar!!

Can you elaborate on your term "resiny?" I'm struggling to imagine a flavor I've experienced, for which I'd use that word. Probably have never tasted anything "resiny!"


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Secret Santa
« on: November 14, 2013, 11:12:45 AM »
I am in! Two words...fruiting... durian. Any santas in hawaii? Cough cough... oscar

Well one can dream

Do you want a Santa or a magician?  ;D  Even Santa's not going to get a durian fruit out of here past ag inspection.

HA!!!!!!!!!

Sounds like a great idea. .. y'all have fun!!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durian season in Borneo
« on: November 13, 2013, 05:00:02 PM »
Will anyone catch it this year? :-)

Only if I get some kind of early inheritance! It'd be a dream come true.
I have Puerto Rico in my crossairs in the meantime .... closer and cheaper and I hope home to some fresh durian :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Way off season longan bloom...2013
« on: November 13, 2013, 04:54:08 PM »
Far out, Harry!  What will be the eventual outcome of the early blooming, do you think?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Fruit and Spice Park Project
« on: November 09, 2013, 07:49:46 PM »
This sounds great. I would love to travel down to help, provided there's a firm date.   ;)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Diospyros texana - Texas Persimmon
« on: October 26, 2013, 09:57:30 PM »
Wow, Ed! I've never seen anything like it, they are so small! Are they very seedy or astringent?

Cool! Interesting that you rate it better than American Persimmon. .that must mean it's REALLY good!  A ripe virginiana is a pretty good thing. ..

My wild tree has only four fruit left, please, how can you tell when they are ripe? I picked one that was practically dying on the tree, but was still disgustingly astringent.

Old timers around here say you have to wait until after the first frost. I've had some in November that were great - at least, the ones that were just about complete mush. Anything firmer than this was astringent. Ones on the ground were pretty good bets to be tasty. I don't know if the fact that it was post-frost had anything to do with it or not.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Diospyros texana - Texas Persimmon
« on: October 26, 2013, 09:26:31 AM »
Cool! Interesting that you rate it better than American Persimmon. .that must mean it's REALLY good!  A ripe virginiana is a pretty good thing. ..

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Good luck! Here is inspirational photo for you sapodilla container growers.



Love it!  I guess those are the fabric pots I've heard about (never seen one before)

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How exciting for you, Plantlover13!  Wishing you luck. ..we are in the same boat as you. .. pots for life!

I think I need to repot my Cogshall from Excalibur soon and have seen the earlier suggestion of Superoots or Rootbuilder pots. Seems easy enough but I guess a little pricey for a pot. What about fabric pots? And are there name brands I can look for?

But my main concern is the soil mix. I started doing some Forum research a while back and saw reference to Al's Gritty Mix, which seemed promising. Any suggestions would be welcome, but I know I have more research to do.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First Abiu of the year!
« on: October 24, 2013, 12:31:12 PM »
A very cool forum member sent us a couple Abius (Gray) yesterday and they blew my mind. ....unbelievable flavor. May be my new #2 or #3 favorite fruit.
Forget the flan or custard pie - just eat an abiu!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing fruit in my green house
« on: October 20, 2013, 01:52:53 PM »
GOOD LUCK!   :D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pawpaw Hunting - Gatlinburg, TN
« on: October 20, 2013, 09:08:46 AM »
Here is the whole plant:

As I said, it is a seedling, so there is not much go on.


Ahhhh I see. Not much indeed. But it doesn't look like Asimina triloba to me :(


Sanddollarmoon- I think what you have there is a Blackgum seedling. (http://www.cas.vanderbilt.edu/bioimages/species/nysy.htm) I saw several older specimens on a hike yesterday:




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: October 18, 2013, 02:04:57 PM »
Indoor gardening in small spaces... Fun times! ;) I actually rather love having green in my room during the winter. All that white fluffy stuff and bare-leafed trees are depressing.

I'm not sure why fresh local stuff isn't tasting all that great. I wonder if that's a Cultivar/type issue, or just a matter of the fruit not being ripe enough. Maybe a little of both?

It's just a cultivar issue . ... most of the world seems to prefer crunchy jackfruit, but I prefer softer.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: October 18, 2013, 01:39:53 PM »
Nice to have you on the forum, Cassandra! I have never tried longan, but have a small seedling, your love of them makes me wish I had kept more! Good luck with the jackfruit (another fruit I have not tried), I hope they all do well! Jackfruit are fast growers, so I have heard, and can begin flowering after barely a year.

 
Patrick, I was first introduced to them while staying in a small village up in the northeastern region. I don't know why, but once I started eating them, I just couldn't stop. I think I bought out all the fruit the local market had, which was maybe a few pounds (I suspect that they were at the tail end of their season). Then I bought another large bag of them at Suvarnabhumi airport on my way out of the country. They were my sustaining food for the flight home, since I ended up with last picks for my choice of "airline meals". Some folks say it's sort of a coconuty flavor. I don't actually think so. They are unique. And as for jackfruit... have you ever had Juicy Fruit Gum? I've been told that jackfruit is where it gets its flavor from! Folks in Thailand don't typically let their fruits ripen (case in point, green papaya salad is a favorite dish over there). When I had jackfruit there, it was yellow and OK, but the flavor sort of reminded me of a banana. Then when I got back to the states, I found a huge chunk of jackfruit at a local Asian market, and the edible pieces had a deep orange color. I brought it home, and that was that. Favorite tropical fruit #2. My other favorite I have not attempted to grow here yet; mangosteen. Fresh, it's awesome. Aged... well, trying to cut through the shell/skin once it's browned is like trying to saw through a log. And unfortunately all the mangosteen I've found locally is the tough stuff. 

I'm glad to hear that jackfruit grow so fast. I don't know what species of jackfruit I ended up with. The seed retailer just said the fruit is deep orange, sweet, thick and crunchy, with very little fibery membrane, and supposedly it's also "latexless". I personally didn't mind the latex. I actually thought it'd be cool to utilize the latex into materials for making art.

Good luck with your longan seedling! :) I hope you get some fruit from it.

Welcome, Cassandra!  You sound about like me. . .we have a tropical fruit plant collection but nowhere to really house them.  We are getting a grow tent/light setup underway right now so hopefully they'll last thru the winter.
I also love jackfruit and have had similar experience with it - fresh/local stuff I had in South FL wasn't as good as the deep golden, super sweet stuff from the asian market in Nashville.

Patrick - you need to come to Nashville (or maybe Knoxville) so you can try Jackfruit!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: October 18, 2013, 10:03:52 AM »
Hi, I just joined the other day.  My name is Carolyn, and I live in Boise Idaho.  We are USDA zone 6, but I have a 15x30 ft zone 12+ greenhouse in my back yard (ok, it sort of IS the back yard...). Costs more to heat than the house.
I have about 80 different species out there right now, and I am mostly interested in tropical fruit - I some cavendish banana (have had two crops so far, and am hoping for a third this year off these new plants), two different varieties of cacao (have not tried to pollinate them yet), coffee (lots of beans, learning how to roast them properly!), vanilla orchid, cinnamon, dragon fruit and a couple other varieties of blooming tropical cacti, lychee, several different citrus, date palm, jelly palm, coconut palm, a really weird fruiting conophor vine from Africa, and a bunch of other things.
I am ALWAYS looking to buy, sell or swap tropical fruit plants, seedlings and seeds!

Very nice!  I'm jealous!

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