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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: several pineapple questions
« on: October 06, 2015, 01:26:52 PM »

Pineapple Culture In Florida - 1921


excellent pdf with a lot of info i was missing - thank you!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: several pineapple questions
« on: October 06, 2015, 07:45:53 AM »
Great so far so good - looks like you can try to plant all those baby tops so I'll give it a go. Now Waterbug, can you tell me what is the "ratoon sucker" that you left in the ground? I assume it's attached to the mother plant, so are you just leaving the mother plant in the ground and part of it will live, or how does that work? I'm trying to envision getting some decent production going in the future and what that looks like...
Thanks!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / several pineapple questions
« on: October 05, 2015, 11:01:03 PM »
Hi all. I've never grown pineapple before and I want to get started with some tops from pineapples we're eating. I'd appreciate any advice about rooting the tops, first of all, because I've had a couple of failures. But also, one fruit we have has the regular top on it, but then in a ring around the top are what appears to be a whole bunch of tiny tops - very cute. Can I try to root those as separate plants? I can find no mention of these tiny tops anywhere online. Thanks in advance!

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: total citrus newbie needs advice
« on: September 15, 2015, 03:36:36 PM »
GOT IT! I'll just leave one then. Thanks again!

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: total citrus newbie needs advice
« on: September 15, 2015, 12:28:03 PM »
Great info. I think I'll watch it as it drops its fruit on its own, then play it by ear. But good to know that it probably doesn't have much effect on eventual growth one way or the other.  Thanks guys!

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: total citrus newbie needs advice
« on: September 14, 2015, 06:57:34 PM »
Thanks for responding! Sounds reasonable, but I'm so excited to see a fruit develop! lol. Maybe just one? I should mention that my husband is sure that it's taller than I think it is - closer to a meter tall. Maybe it's like 80cm? This is a photo:



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Citrus General Discussion / total citrus newbie needs advice
« on: September 14, 2015, 02:38:30 PM »
Hi all! We're creating a food forest down here in Venezuela and just bought our grafted citrus trees. They're the "usual suspects" around here: Persian lime, California navel orange, Valencia orange and a mandarin which, judging by the response I get when I ask people to id the variety, is just called "you know, the normal ones" - I think it might be Darcy? Anyway, for now just a question about the Valencia. It was in full flower when we got it and now is full of tiny baby fruit! (I've never seen baby citrus before - I'm amazed  :)) This tree is barely more than 60 cm tall, so I can't believe it's going to support all that fruit. Will it drop most of it on its own, or should I help it along? If I should do some thinning myself, how do I decide which to get rid of and which to keep? Any other advice about caring for this tree? Thanks in advance!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: B armeniaca irrigation and space needs
« on: September 11, 2015, 09:52:01 PM »
Terrific thanks so much to both of you for sharing your experience and the photo. It's a pretty tree! Maybe 3 or even 4 meters would be better than 2...hmm...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / B armeniaca irrigation and space needs
« on: September 11, 2015, 09:51:25 AM »
Hi peanut butter fruit folks,
I have a B armeniaca ready to put in the ground and I'm trying to figure out where it wants to be. How far should it be from other fruit trees, and once established will it need a lot of irrigation during the dry season or can it hold its own? In the 5-gallon bucket it droops pretty quick when it dries out, but maybe in the ground it would be more resilient? Very little info on care for this plant on the net. Thanks for any help!
Zafra

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going to try bumping this one more time to see if I can avoid opening a new thread...

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Hi everyone, sorry for the late entry into this old conversation. I have a B armeniaca here in Venezuela and I'm getting ready to plant it in the ground. Trying to figure out the best place for it, I'm wondering how it does during the dry season - does it need irrigation or does it pretty much hold its own? In the 5 gallon bucket it droops pretty quick when it dries out, but maybe in the ground with more room to expand its roots it would be more resilient. Any help? Also wondering about the spacing it needs from other trees.
Fwiw, here where the B argentea is native, I bought the armeniaca. Also there was an old armeniaca which fruited pretty much constantly a few blocks away from my house. (No one ate the fruit, and when I did people looked at me like I was seriously deranged. I do think it tastes remarkably like peanut butter, and since I love peanut butter I'm happy about that. I was thinking they might make a good substitute for dates in some baking recipes because the texture is similarly dry and sticky (and dates here are ridiculously expensive). Has anyone tried that?) Anyway, apparently even here the armeniaca is more common than the argentea.

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Persian mulberries are indeed delicious, but unfortunately don't do well in tropical areas. There are only a few mulberries that do well in warm climates. So this is something to keep in mind when choosing your mulberry.
Which are the cultivars that do well in warm climates?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Starfruit questions
« on: January 16, 2015, 06:16:10 PM »
I can get seedlings easily here but unfortunately I'm not really sure of the quality of the fruit they're coming from. I actually have 3 seedlings but they seem to have been hit by anthracnose (my best guess, it's some fungus that's making the leaves brown at the tips and yellow and fall off) and I guess I want to get some other specimens one way or another, and if I'm going to do that I'd like to be more selective in what I get. SO, I'll be in California in April - is there any chance someone could get me scions AND/OR good seeds at that time to bring down with me? (Or where should I look?)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Starfruit questions
« on: January 16, 2015, 03:38:03 PM »
well that's pretty definitive! :) so I guess now we're on to, where does one find starfruit scions?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Starfruit questions
« on: January 16, 2015, 02:52:12 PM »
Hi everyone! I looked for this both here and around the web and found nothing definitive - if I missed something somewhere please direct me there, and excuse the redundancy. Do starfruit come true from seed at all? Is it worth growing seedlings? On the other hand, if I decide to try grafting starfruit where can I get good scions? Thanks for the help!

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I will for sure keep an eye out for cara cara navels - don't remember ever having seen them up til now but maybe I wasn't looking hard enough :).
Regular grapefruit! Ahh - I miss it. Here grapefruit is all seeds and sourness, and not sour in a good way. Don't know if I'll have the patience to do grapefruit from seed though. 10 years!
Lemon seeds I should be able to get in CA from a good store bought lemon. I'm going to check with my peeps there now to see if any of them can eat some satsumas for me and save me some seeds. I'll let you know if I get a lot I could share.

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Wow thank you so much I have been SCHOOLED! :) No seriously thanks a lot for taking the time to spell that out for me. Now I'll have to be on the lookout for great lemon and satsuma seeds. I won't be up north until the satsuma season is over - any ideas where I might score some seeds like, now?
Also, if the seeds are polyembryonic, do they send up various shoots? And if so, how do you know which is the clone you want to keep and which you should get rid of?

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Can someone explain to me why some fruits come true to seeds and others, like avocado and mango, do not? I can't wrap my head around it.
Also I'd still love a rooting stick of meyer lemon. Does anyone know of a reliable provider?

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REALLY???????????
wow. mind blown. There goes my whole understanding of the universe! :D Why is it there so much contrary information out there?
Well now i have a million more questions. So then, how long is the wait for fruit usually, with tangerines (do satsumas grow true from seed???) and with grapefruit? I'm seeing between 3 and 12 years -that's a darn big range. and is oro blanco a true grapefruit or a pommelo?
I guess I'd only need a meyer cutting, if I go the seed route. This is really exciting. Thanks so much for educating me!

Just found this: "Key Limes are your earliest producer from seed, averaging 2-3 years. Your oranges, lemons, Persian limes, tangerines will be in the 5-7 year ballpark. The grapefruit and pomelo will be the longest, taking anywhere from 8-12 years." here: http://thecitrusguy.blogspot.com/2010/08/to-seed-or-not-to-seed.html. Would you second this?

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Thanks so much for responding, guys. Definitely do not want to risk Venezuelan citrus - as far as I know there's no greening disease here. I'd be getting whatever I got from CA, not FL, but I think there's greening disease in CA too right?
It's not just the wait for fruit that makes me not too excited about seeds, but the fact that citrus doesn't come true from seed. I don't have enough space to wait around for what might be mediocre citrus. If I could get my hands on some disease-free cuttings to root that would be ideal. Anyone know of a CA (esp. NorCal) source? Meyer lemon is the priority, but I'd take a satsuma mandarin and any excellent grapefruit (oro blanco?) in a heartbeat given the opportunity.

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Hi everyone! I live in Venezuela. We have limes. We have no lemons. People here don't even think lemons exist - they think they're unripe limes. I miss lemons! I tried having a rooted variegated pink lemon cutting sent here but it didn't survive the trip, and customs gave us a hard time - I don't think we could get away with it again. After 5+ years I'm finally going to be visiting the US in April and I thought this could be my chance to get one of those rooted cuttings and bring it down with me - it's so small I think I could get it in. But then I realized he can't ship to CA, which is where I'll be. So I'm stuck.
What I'd really like is a meyer lemon, or maybe variegated pink, or maybe both. I can't buy a grafted plant from a nursery in CA because it would be too big to bring back with me. I guess I could try bringing down scions and grafting them onto - onto what? Can you graft lemon onto lime rootstock? I have no experience with grafting citrus.
Does anyone know if there's someone rooting lemon cuttings in CA? Or have suggestions about obtaining scions/grafting? Or any other suggestions for me? I really want some lemons in my life! Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.
Zafra

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: tree lifespans?
« on: September 29, 2014, 11:27:40 AM »
I'm planning on being that anal. But still no guesses as to the lifespan of Eugenias or Annonas? Man, if people in this group don't know who does??? :P

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: tree lifespans?
« on: September 29, 2014, 01:25:19 AM »
Well this is a good start thank you Oscar. When you say "not very long", are we talking ten years or 30+ or...? I'm planning an edible forest and have to think not only in terms of space, but also time. It's amazing how little info there is about lifespan when you research these trees, at least the online sources I have access to. Often growth rate is mentioned, which might be useful because in some cases fast growing and precocious trees tend to be shorter lived, but that's hardly a reliable guide. Only when a tree is especially long lived, like the tamarind, is the issue addressed at all. Hmm...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / tree lifespans?
« on: September 28, 2014, 06:26:29 PM »
Hi experts! Who can tell me how long some of our favorite trees tend to live and produce? I know mangos and avocados are pretty long-lived. How about the Eugenias? Jabos? Carambolas? Malpighias? Annonas? Thanks in advance :)

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