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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Frozen Durian?
« on: January 03, 2014, 02:38:14 PM »
Quote from: FloridaGreenMan on January 03, 2014, 06:39:58 AM
Quote from: boukmn on January 03, 2014, 02:14:28 AM
I came across fresh Durian the week at FoodTown Asian Market off Sterling in Davie, Fl. 
You "Durian-X" people can knock yourselves out!

Fresh Durian? Where was it from, how was the flavor and how much did it cost?  I live fairly close to FoodTown and need to check it out.

FloridaGreenMan;

By comparison, I bought a 1/2 Jackfruit from them and it was not frozen.  Their trick seems to be purchasing turned fruit and waiting for it to ripe.  Not as good as tree ripened, but probable better than frozen. That seems to be their durian approach also. The Jackfruit was nowhere near as good as the Florida grown stuff I get at yellow-green farmer's market.  That is as good as the Durian info I can give.  I tried frozen Durian for the first time away on Christmas vacation and it was a truly horrible :o experience! 

I accept that I am a "Durian-N" (normal person...Durian tastes Horrible).  This was a public service announcement to the "Durian-X" (Mutants...Durian tastes Great!) people on the list..and those like I was, that want a chance to figure out their Durian status "N" or "X".  I have no intention of indulging Durian again :-X... you'er on your own, bro!   

P.S; call ahead first to see if they still have.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Frozen Durian?
« on: January 03, 2014, 02:21:24 AM »
Quote from: boukmn on January 03, 2014, 02:14:28 AM
I came across fresh (Not Frozen) Durian the week at FoodTown Asian Market off Sterling in Davie, Fl. 
You "Durian-X" people can knock yourselves out!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Frozen Durian?
« on: January 03, 2014, 02:14:28 AM »
I came across fresh Durian the week at FoodTown Asian Market off Sterling in Davie, Fl. 
You "Durian-X" people can knock yourselves out!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit trees few feet from inground pool ?
« on: January 03, 2014, 02:05:39 AM »
Quote from: KarenRei on December 31, 2013, 07:35:01 AM
Quote from: boukmn on December 31, 2013, 07:09:17 AM
Various fruiting palm trees like banana, don't have very large or invasive roots.
Coconut, Acai etc.

???

Bananas are not palms, and palms have reasonably aggressive roots. They're both monocots, but that's about as close as the relationship is - bananas are Zingiberales like ginger and canna lilies while palms are Arecales like... well, palms.  ;) Palms are woody and form from a single seed, while bananas are herbaceous (among the largest herbaceous plants in the world) and form (when not sexually reproducing) from a corm in a similar manner to grass.

Looking back at what I wrote, it could be interpreted that way.  That is not what I meant! ;D I meant, "In addition to bananas..."

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: jackfruit improvement in the Asia-Pacific region
« on: January 03, 2014, 01:57:05 AM »
Quote from: LEOOEL on January 02, 2014, 07:39:43 PM
boukmn, thank you so much for your valuable response. Unfortunately, your link was not accessible. If you could provide a working link, I'd really appreciate it. I'm very interested in knowing the (red) color of the jackfruit flesh that you saw.

Also, like you, I too like to grow fruit trees from seeds. But, the quickest, surest way to obtain a red fleshed jackfruit, is by getting a grafted one from the mother tree of the red-fleshed jackfruit that you saw here in Florida, USA.

Finally, I'd like to make a distinction between a dark orange fleshed jackfruit and a deep-coppery-red fleshed jackfruit. Full disclosure, I'm not sure if truly red-fleshed jackfruits exist, other than pictures on the Intenet that have been computer PhotoShopped. But if they do exist, this is what makes a search for them so valuable/important.

Thank you so much for your report. Welcome to the Tropical Fruit Forum and best wishes to you for a Happy New Year.

Leo


This is an image originally posted by FloridaGreenMan in another thread:
http://postimg.org/image/qowsvjzb5/  This is the colour of the JackFruit I saw.  I ma not saying that the original creator of the photo on the net did not photoshop it.  I have no way of knowing.  What I do know, is that is the colour of the fruit I ate. 

I'll ask the seller for a scion.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: jackfruit improvement in the Asia-Pacific region
« on: January 02, 2014, 12:43:17 PM »
Quote from: LEOOEL on December 26, 2013, 10:33:27 PM
Bangkok, if you or anyone else can locate the 'Kachehalli' jackfruit variety, and confirm that the flesh is actually 'coppery-Red' and not computer Photoshop'd, then as far as I know, that will be the very first time that a real 'coppery-Red' fleshed, and also sweet, jackfruit, has been identified. Once this is verified, then I, and others elsewhere, could inform and ask local nurseries to import it. This 'Kachehalli' jackfruit may have a lot of commercial potential, once the 'coppery-red' flesh is verified to be true. Then, because of the 'coppery-Red' colored flesh novelty of the fruit, and the sweet taste, I suspect many fruit tree enthusiasts, nurseries and jackfruit-flesh buying customers, will all demand it.


The first time I even learned there were multiple varieties of Jackfruit was this summer when I was re-introduced to it by a Jamaican/Asian pair of sellers with a stall at the Yellow Green Farmers market in Hollywood FL.  They claim they grew the trees themselves and were selling three types however, not by their scientific names.  They cut it open to convince me so I could see the "red-fleshed" Jackfruit open and displayed side-by side with the open "normal" Jackfruit. I would describe its colour as "Home-Depot-Paint-Bucket ]http://www.homedepot.com/b/Paint-Paint-Supplies-Painting-Tools-Paint-Buckets-Paint-Pails/N-5yc1vZc5bk]" Deep Orange.   They were both large fruits.  They also sold a smaller, distinct fruit that has a much sweeter flavor. 

The first time I bought the red fruit, I thought it was quite good but only slightly better than the regular fruit.  Mind you, I was not fully ripe when I decided to start eating it.  The second time I bought it, it was really ripe and had a VERY pronounced flavor and sweetness compared to the "normal" Jackfruit.  I liked them so much, I saved the best reds and small-fruit seeds and have many seedlings today.

Here is the tragedy: Although the leaf form of the smaller Jackfruit is easy to tell apart from the others, the leaf from of the red and "normal" fruit are indistinguishable...at least by me.  I'm a newbie to this thing.  Had I know they were rare cultivars, I would have carefully labeled them!

The consolation is that the fruit is available in town and you won't have to jump through hoops to get it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit trees few feet from inground pool ?
« on: December 31, 2013, 07:09:17 AM »
Various fruiting palm trees like banana, don't have very large or invasive roots.
Coconut, Acai etc.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durian: Smells Putrid...Tastes Awful!
« on: December 27, 2013, 08:49:45 PM »
The Durian-N's in this conversation are still waiting for testimony that can give us hope that someone can have a horrid 1st experience tasting ANY durian can later have a very positive experience.  All we have heard are people saying things about their first durian experience like: "didn't care for...mildly not plesant..nothing to get excited about..."

Quote from: murahilin on December 24, 2013, 07:21:31 PM
I wouldn't put durian and jackfruit in the same category. A lot of jackfruit actually tastes good while I've yet to come across a good tasting durian. I keep on trying every durian I come across though in hopes of enjoying it as much as others do.

So at least one Durian-N has repeatedly tried Durian and found it unpleasant.  I prefer to learn from the experience of others. 

Quote from: FruitLovers Pontificating:
But honestly making all these wild negative judgements about fruits that have been frozen for months in a far away land is a bit childish, to say the least.

Ah, No...it's not. In addition, the ad hominem was uncalled for.  Provide evidence that a Durian-N can "sero-convert" to a Durian-X and maybe I'll risk another $9 bucks for durian.

Quote from: KarenRei on December 26, 2013, 02:09:54 PM
For me - and apparently boukmn as well - it was as if the fruit was some sort of cruel prank, as if people pretend to enjoy it to get unsuspecting victims to taste it so that their reactions can be secretly filmed for an episode of Punk'd.

This is a very accurate description of how I was feeling when I started this thread.  Without "sero-convert" evidence, I will not be "Charlie Browned" again.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durian: Smells Putrid...Tastes Awful!
« on: December 25, 2013, 11:19:10 AM »
Quote from: boukmn on December 25, 2013, 08:44:28 AM
Is it an acquired taste? Well.... How many of you Durian lovers were actually first disgusted by the taste of Durian and somehow "acquired"  the taste later?  Be honest now....

My guess is you liked it the first time and kept on eating it, right?

Quote from: Triloba Tracker on December 25, 2013, 08:53:21 AM
Yep. Love at first bite.

I was kinda hoping I was wrong about my hunch.  But I'm not, am I?  You either like Durian or you don't.  No amount of Durian tasting will "acquire" the taste if your first taste made you want to vetch.
You'er either born a Durian - N (normal, Durian tastes awful) or you are born a Durian - X (mutant, Durian tastes great). 

..bummer.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durian: Smells Putrid...Tastes Awful!
« on: December 25, 2013, 08:44:28 AM »
I was ready to keep an open mind about Durian till I read the responses.  Especially KarenRey and murahilin's.   It is clear now that it is far less likely that my Durian was "bad" and more likely that I am one of those normal people that "yeech-hack-&-ptuui" after eating Durian. 

Is it an acquired taste? Well.... How many of you Durian lovers were actually first disgusted by the taste of Durian and somehow "acquired"  the taste later?  Be honest now....

My guess is you liked it the first time and kept on eating it, right?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durian: Smells Putrid...Tastes Awful!
« on: December 24, 2013, 07:23:35 PM »
Durianisadrug;

I got it home and let it sit for 1.5-2.5 hrs not sure exactly.  It was thawed well enough. 

Quote from: starling on December 24, 2013, 06:55:23 PM
I will never understand the obsession with Durian/ Jackfruit. A lot of people like them though, so maybe I'm abnormal. To me, it tastes like  fermented quiche.  Awful to my taste.

The trouble is I lOVE Jackfruit!!  I've been buying at the Yellow Green Farmer's market every weekend for the past 5 months.  I even got one weekend before last.  I love all three varieties that they get in.  Generally, fruit for me is on a scale of "bland-n-tasteless" (ex: Dragon fruit) to "stunning-n-unforgetable" (ex: the Mangoseen I once had as a child).  Fruit is never "bad" for me....till that frozen Durian.  Fermented quiche, you say?  That's actually close to what I felt and tasted....

At first I thought KarenRei was a bit "out there" with the genetic notions...but now i'm not so sure especially after seeing murahilin's multi-durian oddessy.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durian: Smells Putrid...Tastes Awful!
« on: December 24, 2013, 12:19:20 PM »
Quote
Could you further explain your description of "god-awful?"

By god-awful I mean not sour, not sweet.....it tasted like it smelled!  I was not expecting that. It was probably just a bad one. It was the smallest of the lot.  I'll be sure to wait for fresh durian next ttime.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Durian: Smells Putrid...Tastes Awful!
« on: December 24, 2013, 07:49:59 AM »
I am currently on vacation in St Petersburg florida where I happened upon a vietnamese grocer who had frozen durian for sale..  after all the durian talk I read in this group, I forked over the $9 odd for a small fruit.  I was warned by the shop cleark that "it smels bad but tastes good".

After thawing I cut it open and it seems to work like a jackfruit. It did smellbad but it tasted god-awful!!
Has anyone had this experience with frozen Durian but loved fresh?

I need to be clear, this was a whole durian fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Why Did Air Layer Fail on Soursop (Annona muricata)?
« on: December 13, 2013, 07:41:10 AM »
I had a couple requests for marcots of the soursop and the Sapodilla tree.
If anyone else is interested, please contact me.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Why Did Air Layer Fail on Soursop (Annona muricata)?
« on: December 12, 2013, 06:24:26 PM »
They are still tree-attached.  However, I am paying my neighbor another visit tomorrow to set up additional air layers.  He has a HUGE, fruiting Sapodilla (naseberry)  tree I want to set layers on too.  I'll get some pics for you guys then.  I almost forgot, the Annona is a very mature tree that has been fruiting for years.  It has a single fruit on it right now.

I will probably keep them on the tree for another two weeks till the root system is really strong.  I'll keep updating this thread as they grow.  However, I don't have enough space to grow all the survivors. Originally, I set:

Two - 48" marcots
Two - 36" marcots
Two - 24" marcots

I lost one 48" and one 24".

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Why Did Air Layer Fail on Soursop (Annona muricata)?
« on: December 12, 2013, 04:53:20 PM »
I went back and checked my air layers of the tree.  I miscounted my setups:  in fact, I made 6 not five air layer attempts (forgot to report; I also used liquid rooting hormone).  They were between 24-48" in length. Guess what? 

FOUR of them are rooting!!!  ;D

I opened one of the four that were still alive just to be sure and saw ROOTS!!
It took a long time... 6 weeks so far, but they are definitely rooted.  I am beside myself with glee! :) 

Murahilin;

Add me to your short list of those that successfully air layered Annona muricata! ;)

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Rambutan Scion...FREE
« on: December 07, 2013, 08:32:03 AM »
Quote from: omarudy on December 06, 2013, 06:28:56 PM
The secret... a greenhouse, and 25 gallon pots. I feed them with rainwater and regular applications of fertilizer. The soil is just the miracle grow potting soil with extra perlite and peat moss.






My rambutan tree is not so photogenic, everytime I try to take a picture of it, it blends with the background too well and it looks invisible. But I posted the image anyways on the second one next to my greenhouse, the greenhouse is 7 ft tall just for comparison. I wanted to airlayer them and donate them to the Grimal Grove, but with winter coming so soon I didnt want to risk it.


What fertilizer do you use?  How regularly do you apply? 

I was wondering ...could Rambutan be planted in the ground in Florida and watered with our well water IF we compensated by periodically spraying the foliage with a rainwater & micro nutrient mix?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Rambutan Scion...FREE
« on: December 06, 2013, 04:19:31 PM »
Omarudy;

Please share your secrets; how are you growing Rambutan so successfully in South Florida?  What are you using for soil?  Fertilizer?  Water?

It would be much appreciated!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Some ideas for our fruit trees. . . .
« on: November 27, 2013, 12:53:37 PM »
Quote from: shaneatwell on November 27, 2013, 11:01:49 AM
The main problem in espalier fruit production is that you have to select fruits and sometimes particular varieties that are branch bearing and not tip bearing.

It occurs to me that the open canopy of most espalier will also encourage greater-than-average shoot and tip production on the main stems since they are more light and air-flow exposed.  It seems the growth form of espalier you choose would be influenced by whether the tree is a tip or stem bearer.  In addition, when you choose to prune.  Perhaps this is why espalier fruit discussions don't focus on tip/stem fruiting as a limitation.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Some ideas for our fruit trees. . . .
« on: November 26, 2013, 09:58:21 PM »
That living bridge is truly awesome!  I guess tree sculpting is more broad than espalier.  Going espalier flat with fruit trees has a stronger appeal I am sure you would agree.  I imagine; ten different grafted mango trees each planted espalier style four feet from each other in a line along my house or fence...feeding each other so there is no stunt-growth of some trees due to losing the root competition...harvesting at arm's reach...no neighbor fence "over hang" issues...roots don't undermine foundation.  Imagine the space savings alone...

Got to be worth a try!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Here some ideas for our fruit trees. . . .
« on: November 26, 2013, 08:44:16 PM »
This is formally called "Espalier" Gardening.  Came across it just last month.  From what I read, it is often used on fruit trees to make them more harvest-able and aesthetically pleasing.  Combining grafting multiple trees together, single trees to themselves, selective pruning and bonzai-esque branch control...a whole hobby onto itself. 



Check this out:
http://www.frenchgardening.com/tech.html?pid=312615870324755
http://www.frenchgardening.com/tech.html?pid=312780943859755
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjotnm_iXdI


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Why Did Air Layer Fail on Soursop (Annona muricata)?
« on: November 18, 2013, 06:43:50 PM »
Why did my air layer fail?

 I setup 5 air layers on a neighbor's Sour sop tree and 3 of the five began to die 3 weeks later while still on the tree.  I separated 1/2 - 1" of the phloem tissue from the xylem the branches ranged from 1/4" to 3/4" in diameter.  I have air-layered several times before on different species.  However, this is the first time I attempted it on Annona muricata.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is there a way to prevent suckers after cutting down a tree?
« on: November 14, 2013, 02:18:49 PM »
Quote from: HIfarm on November 14, 2013, 01:07:52 PM
I am sure that the method you mention is effective in stopping suckers from the stump but some trees we have here will sucker from the roots.  If you have the time & inclination, you might finally be able to get them to stop suckering by constantly whacking off the new sprouts as they emerge but a chemical agent can sure be helpful, especially if you are dealing with any significant sized piece of property.  There is an enormous amount of stored energy in the roots of a big tree and they will continue to sucker for a while.  It is further complicated if you do not whack off the sprouts immediately as it starts to photosynthesize and pump more energy back into the large root mass.

John

Yes, Brazilian pepper is one of those "sprout-from-exposed-roots" nightmares too.  You are correct about the large property thing.  It is easy to go green when  all you have is a 1/10 hectare.  Even so, if you are willing to tolerate just one stump-sprout session I found applying herbicide just to the young sprouts to be an effective way of dealing with the suckers. This selective herbicide application uses far less chemicals and is more cost effective than mass dosing whole tree trunks over a large property.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is there a way to prevent suckers after cutting down a tree?
« on: November 14, 2013, 12:39:24 PM »
My experience in killing two Brazilian pepper trees (very hard to kill) w/o herbicides sometimes is easier once the tree produces side shoots on the stump. 

  • Cut the tree as close to the ground as possible.
  • Use a shovel to chip off as much of the stump's remaining bark as possible (this actually prevents the formation of recovery side shoots).
  • If the tree still manages to put up some suckers, scrape them off along with their the remaining bark they were growing from.  The tree will not have the energy left to put up another sucker.
This procedure will kill any tree w/o herbicides.  Trust me, I know what its like to have to deal with recurring suckers.  That is the malignant nature of Brazilian pepper.  However, if you do a thorough job of scraping most of the remaining stump bark off, it is near impossible for most trees to produce suckers.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cancer-Fighting Fruits/Leaves/Plants
« on: November 13, 2013, 11:46:50 AM »
I came across this recently.   In Ayurveda medicine they have been using a cocktail of  Fagonia cretica, Tumaric and Fenugreek (aka Holy Basil) to this day to treat various forms of cancer.  This is not "healthstore lore" but a serious, scientifically reviewed and published undertaking: http://www.fagoniacreticaforcancer.com/

These folks will tell you how to develop a treatment regime depending on your treatment stage if you contact them.   BTW, you can find the tea and powder of Fagonia cretica online.

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