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1876
I think Adam is right about the advantage of small rootstock and big scion.  I have done some good dormant Annona grafts in late winter and early spring, but I have done a lot of terrible batches too, using rootstock that we knew would be too big to use next summer.

1877
You are right Behl!

Annona branches pruned off and thrown on the ground in the winter will bud out in the spring--- so your having grafted some of it can end up being entirely irrelevant.

All the reasons given by Adam are also valid.

There is another reason often overlooked--- expectations of magic  --- if the roostock doesn't have a big fat seed full of stored up food, and you go and cut all the leaves off the roostock, what is the poor thing going to live off.  [And remember, fertilizer is not "plant food", it is just nutritional mineral supplements, none of which are an edible source of energy (carbohydrates, lipids, or proteins.]  Roots starve first, or get too weak to fend off rots.

1878
Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help with ID
« on: March 27, 2012, 10:39:02 PM »
The Kampong, in Coconut Grove, has  a Ficus or two that clusters fruit like that.

1879
Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Smathers white sapote
« on: March 26, 2012, 09:16:42 AM »
Yes, there are different wooly-leafed white-sapotes.  They are sometimes listed as a separate species, tetramera, but actually are just trees with a recessive trait, which occasionally show up from seeds of regular white-sapotes--- at least so I hear.

1880
"Spicata" means having spikes--- as in thorns at the tips or edges of leaves.  The pictures that you started this thread with don't show any spikes.  I believe all your references to spicata are to the Christmas-tree-shaped Rheedia species with leaves you don't want to get near without safety glasses.  The fruit is called "madruño"i is about an inch long, yellow, and pleasantly tart--- not much account except as a curiosity and ornamental or security on perifery.

1881
Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pugging Maha Chanok then grafting.
« on: March 26, 2012, 12:17:29 AM »
Looks good enough!  If the cambium layers are matched--- that I can't see under the tape. 

When sliding a wedge shape into a slit, as in top cleft grafting, the scion should be slightly thicker than the roostock, or it should be off-center or even crooked.

1882
Oscar,
Nice information on the history and quality of 'Kohala.'

I've been around a few 'Diamond River' in pots, but don't think I ever tasted one, so wonder where all these multiple crops, etc., have been.

1883
Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: List of drought tolerant trees
« on: March 25, 2012, 11:56:54 PM »

I don't know how mamey-sapotes do with salt spray.  [In Belize some sapodillas grow in the sea.] 

In Yucatán, mamey-sapotes withstand prolonged dry seasons annually, on shallow clay soils over limestone rocks, with the water table probably well over 50 feet down in most places.  I don't know what the air humidity levels run there.  We were not discussing desert plants.

Recently we have had several drought years here in south Florida, with little rain from November thru June.  My sandy yard is 27 feet above the water table.  I don't have an irrigation system, and sporadically water plants that look stressed.   Many plants and trees have died in my yard, but all the ones I listed (except for mamey-sapote and carissa, which I observed elswhere) are doing just fine, some with no rain or irrigation for two months.

I did not list soursop, which has needed frequent extra waterings.  I also did not list Rollinia deliciosa (mucosa) which do not survive for me unless grafted on drought- hardy rootsock.  Sugar-apples just barely hold on.




1884
Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: List of drought tolerant trees
« on: March 25, 2012, 02:39:24 PM »
The tree at the Kampong fruited quite a bit for many years, and probably still does--- I haven't visited for around 10 years.  I don't recall tasting it, but saw many rinds on the ground.

1885
Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: List of drought tolerant trees
« on: March 25, 2012, 04:56:05 AM »
Carissa (Natal-plum)
Carambola (once well-established)
Dovyalis hybrid
Pitomba-de-Manaus (Talisia esculenta)
Pitomba-da-Bahia (Eugenia luschnanthiana)
Soncoya (Guanabanus purpureus, aka Annona purpurea)
Mountain-Soursop
Santo Domingo-Apricot (Mammea americana)
Leucaena legumes
Urrucum or Lipstick Tree or Annato (Bixa orellana)
Persimmon (Diospyros virginiana)
Canistel
Acerola
Brazilian-Marmelo (Bunchosia species)
Chocolate-Pudding-Fruit (Diospyros digyna)
Siricote or Geiger-Tree (raw fruits not good, but delicious stewed with sugar, like figs)
Ilama (Annona diversifolia)
Mamey-Sapote
Dwarf Ambarella
Taperebá (Spondias species)
Pitanga
Coco-Plum
Jakfruit
Inga species (Cotton-Candy-Pod)




1886
It looks like the fruit that I always saw labeled as Garcinia tinctoria.   I like it and have one in a pot.

1887
Name it 'Behl'!

1888
Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruiting and medicinal trees
« on: March 24, 2012, 09:26:57 PM »
Canistel is drought resistant and produces a lot of food, many months of the year.

Leucaena species produce edible seeds and sprouts, and the leaves are excellent goat fodder or green mulch.  The trees enrich the soil with nitrogen.

1889
Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Smathers white sapote
« on: March 24, 2012, 08:40:58 PM »
The 'Smathers' is a wooly-leaf white -sapote.   Quite large fruit, and delicious.

1890
Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Canistel fruit problem
« on: March 24, 2012, 08:39:30 PM »
I second Oscar's recommendation to use Zinc and Boron nutrients. 

Also add Gypsum (Calcium sulfate).  Broken up sheet rock scraps will provide very slow-release gypsum, but commercial prills would work faster--- and look better.

1891
It is probably from a land-race(?) of Sugar-Apple known locally there as "injerto", which should mean "graft", but in this case doesn't.  The pulp-to-seed ratio is high, the fruit is large, the skin is tougher, and the skin color is often reddish, and the flavor can vary by season from delicious to chalky.  They may be natural hybrids with custard-apple.

The 'M-1" that I bred a lot with was one of these.

1892
If your cherimoyas or atemoyas look healthy, without cupped leaves with burnt edges from leafhopper toxicity, but don't flower much or hold fruit sets, then they probably have a zinc deficiency.  The sandy soils of the southeastern US are notoriously deficient in Zinc.  Calcium, Potassium, or Boron deficiencies would be other possibilities.

1893
Green Leafhoppers (I believe, Potato Leafhoppers.).  It doesn't take many to induce toxicity.

1894
Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Out of control Dwarf Amberella
« on: March 20, 2012, 12:03:50 AM »
I am not familiar with the Prosea book.  Your interpretation makes a lot of sense.

Are the dry seasons along East Asian coasts long enough to require deciduous habits?  Or would it have come from high enough in mountains or north enough for cold to cause leaf shedding?

1895
Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: An Abiu Story
« on: March 19, 2012, 11:52:31 PM »
Oscar,
That grafting trick of piece of mature wood onto immature plant sounds intriguing, for "hormonal" influence.  I have occasionally observed clear hormonal influence, but always on one or two plants in several hundred in a nursery.

1896
Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Out of control Dwarf Amberella
« on: March 19, 2012, 11:42:40 PM »
Spondias mombin an Spondias purpurea are other related fruits, the jocotes, jobos, ciruelas cajá-mirim, etc.

The full-sized ambarella is Spondias cytherea, from some of the south Pacific islands, while the above species are from Central and South America.

Like Oscar, I think the dwarf seems different enough to be another species.  I don't know where it is from.  Like Harry, I have one as a horticultural curiosity--- green ones are quite all right eaten with salt.

1897
I wish I had had mycorrhizae to use whenever several of us were bringing seeds back from the Amazon region in the late 1980's and early 1990's, as most of those species never survived here.  They are known to be co-dependent with mycorrhizae in the tropical rain forest.

On the other hand, species that are already being grown just fine in conventional nursery soil mixes and mineral salt fertilizers, usually are not going to benefit from inoculation until they are potted out into way less easy-living circumstances, preferably though, with lots of leaves to rot on the ground, as in the forest.

At Zill High Performance Plants, in the late 1990's, we were given a fine mix of mycorrhizae to try.  I did comparison trials with 16 kinds of plants, each with about 20 plants treated, and 20 plants untreated.  We watched them for six months (If one waits too long the plants get sold right out of one's experiment.).  No difference was visible between the treated and untreeated plants of 14 of the kinds of plants.  With two kinds, the treated plants were all slightly smaller than the untreated.

The latter result is easy to explain.  In a symbiotic relationship, both parties provide a benefit to the other.  In this case, whatever pre-digested nutrients the mycorrhizae provided to the plant roots were not needed, but the mycorrhizae did need the glucose provided by the photosynthezing leaves of the plants.  Not all the glucose provided to the fungi was really extra for the plants, which had to make do with a little less.

1898
Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Watering inground Mango trees
« on: March 19, 2012, 10:46:05 PM »
The finger-in-ground test recommended by Gary Fango is what I do also.

1899
Wonderful thread--- has me salivating.

Harry,
If it had fewer seeds, it might not taste as good.  Seeds are thought to exude growth regulators that affect the surrounding pulp, including intensifying flavor.
Although some seedless watermelons seem about as good as seedy ones, seedless sugar-apples are definitely not as tasty as seedy ones.

1900
Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Custard Apples
« on: March 19, 2012, 10:20:11 PM »
Looks delicious.  I don't recall one with the skin red outside and green inside.

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