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If you've tasted a riberry, you've tasted satinash. Might be ok if you're starving to death, but well, let's just say you won't find them in fruit markets for a reason.

The blue lillipilly is ok, and has very large fruit. This tastes much closer to wax jambu than any of the others.

I can easily get cryptoplebium as well as all the red/white/anything riberry types right now, they are literally fruiting everywhere in the suburbs. Throw a rock and you'll hit 4 different varieties.

Would rather send a bulk lot to somebody in the US and have that person disperse rather than send a dozen seperate packages. It gets expensive. If anybody is willing let me know, I'll send a kilo or so mix. Np payment required. If you want to be nice, send me something back  8)

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Ok Roy. I can do that.

There are many varieties which come under the heading 'tea tree' however, you'll need to be more specific. I suppose you want to grow this for the oil, I believe a few are good for this task. There is a weeping variety which is quite attractive.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My first taste of Rambutan
« on: December 24, 2013, 12:19:35 AM »
Very nice video Cassandra. Those rambutans look just a tad past their prime with their splinterns starting to blacken. I'm sure they're still good, but not at their very best taste. Hawaiian hula berry? Nobody uses that name here. I saw that in an article, someone just totally recently invented that name in their head, and it only exists in that one head. ::) Most of the rambutans commercially sold are cultivars and are non clig pulp to the seed. As BMc points out almost all rambutans still have the testa which will stick to the fruit. The testa is the outermost very thin layer of the seed. Sometime you get similar thing happening in avocados. It just a very minor nuisance in my opinion, although some ultra fussy people make a very big deal about it. I would say a great majority of people here prefer rambutan over longan. Rambutan usually fetches a slightly higher price and seems to sell a lot better than longan. But maybe that could just be because longan is available most of the year and rambutan is seasonal. By far the biggest favorite here is lychee. Pulasan most people don't even know what that is yet. Pulasan is very very rarely seen for sale at farmer's markets. It's not a commercially grown fruit here. Welcome to the world of sapindaceaes. There are some very good fruits in that family.

If I had to pick one to eat forever it would be lychee, for sure. I know pulasan are grown in Australia but I am unaware as whether or not this done commercially, probably not. I'm pretty sure Mike has grown them before, from memory. They wouldn't survive  my local climate so I guess I'll just have to go on wondering. Can grow lychees with a bit of care in Brisbane, though my record with them up til this point is fairly terrible. I'm yet to meet another person who has killed a B3. Longans are super easy to grow here compared to lychees.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit Overload
« on: December 23, 2013, 09:33:16 PM »


Here is the pick sorry.Mangosteen of the sea.


One of the best reef species, for sure. Better than 99.9% of pelagics, but you don't run into a keepable size of that last decimal place very often.

They really are stunning when first brought up on deck with those luminous blue spots.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My first taste of Rambutan
« on: December 23, 2013, 09:25:50 PM »
I agree that they lack the complexity of Longan. I have never tried pulasan, which is touted as being much superior to both.

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I'll see what I can do Roy.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: December 20, 2013, 12:54:09 AM »


My Colombian red is doing pretty well for a year old.I presume it sets fruit better than most as it is self fertile.


A year is rocket fast for a plant that size Mike, especially considering it is fruiting already. I don't think they'd be that quick in Bris, though they are created different that's for sure. I have two which have been sitting there for months and months now and haven't done anything, while others send up new shoots pretty much a few days after being stuck in soil as cuttings. I've noticed that if a cutting has an epiphyte it tends to take longer to send a new shoot. I have read that younger cuttings grow more quickly. The yellows always grow the fastest for me, with the reds being the slowest.

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I sprayed water on to the soil to remove some of hard dirt.

It's  going to be raised mounds.

Good, because that's all you need. I am on clay where I plant everything and do exactly the same thing. If you build your mound high enough at the time of planting, by the time the trees have a root system that expands beyond the moudt, the upper stratum of soil will be good enough to facilitate good growth and root set. Even on the worst soil you can easily create a foot of primo soil with regular composting and soil turning, and since most rainforest trees don't need anything beyond this, you're golden. The banana trees you have probably don't even need a foot of soil. Things like lychees, since they come from the rainforest, send out surface roots to exploit the detritus which occurs in their natural habitat.

The best way to do this is to build a very high mound, and plant your tree in the upper tier of this (about the top 30%). Make sure to mulch heavily prior to watering and to water gently the first few times, if you don't do this, the force of that water will wash the soil off the roots and you'll have a plant sitting on top of a mound of dirt covered in mulch. My method is to stand there with a hose on really, really fine spray for a really, really long time. Make sure you add sand your soil mixture at a decent ratio. Concentrate on building out the sides of the mound once the tree is planted inside it (I actually do this by the handfuls).

I still think you're going to have to limit the number of trees in that row, otherwise one day you will be forced to choose which gets moved and which doesn't. The lychee in particular will hate you for it, and the banana, if it is the parent tree, will probably kick the bucket.

I'll post some pics next week of trees thriving using the method I have outlined (including rollinias and longans, as well as achacha). Well, they would be thriving if they weren't being chewed to pieces by pests---but that has nothing to do with the soil.

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First off I'd like to say I'm sorry to hear of your husband's troubles. My own father was diagnosed with prostrate cancer and beat it even though it wasn't caught early. It is beatable.

If you want to willfully inflict type A Parkinson's disease on yourself  by all means, eat plenty of soursop leaves. This is the only thing that activity has ever been proven to do. Other than that, eating soursop leaves does absolutely nothing whatsoever. It is another brand of geriatric hokum. It is the medicinal equivalent of a raindance. You might as well try and cure a bout of influenza with Voodoo.

Please do not believe the snakeoil peddlers. Soursop leaves are not a panacea. The compounds in them are mostly well understood, and there is no reason to think any of them  are a cure for anything. Annonaicin is a toxin developed by the species to deter foliar grazing by pests. That's it. No mystery, no magic.

Don't take my word for it, have a perusal of google scholar--you know, peer reviewed, impartial journals from actual scientists, rather than  anecdotal heresay and conjecture to the tune of "I think' by people people with zero formal training  who do not only have no technical understanding of what they are selling, but  are motivated to make a buck from soursop leaves and couldn't give a shit if what they are selling actually does anything or is harmful or not.It is only a matter of time until legislation catches up with these people, you can take that to the bank. If you can't access a particular journal I might be able to secure a copy of this for you at no charge, this depends on whether or not I myself am able to access it for free via my institution.

next week I am going to post a debunk relating to antioxidants, which are the greatest marketing dupe pulled off in history of mankind.


cheers
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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / WTB red apple guava seeds and others
« on: December 18, 2013, 10:06:02 PM »
Looking to buy red apple guava seeds, and other good ones. I currently have mexican cream, hawaiin pink, HK pink, and  thai white. Not chasing any of the 'cherry' varieties.

can pay through paypal, or maybe I can source something from Australia for you in exchange.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: December 18, 2013, 09:58:27 PM »


With dragonfruit it is best not to think of them as a cactus at all, but rather a rainforest plant which particularly dislikes wet feet. Plant in fast draining mounds with good moisture retention, and cover this with a very, very thick layer of uncomposted leaf litter and manure, if you can get it. Water all the time, keep the soil moisture at a good level, and keep adding the leaf litter. This should also be watered to help it break down.

If you have an old aluminum ladder, you can make the best type of trellis. Basically just run this between two massive posts (along the top) and that way you can get a lot more plant before pruning, which means more fruit and more cuttings in the long run. I may still do this if I can find a crappy old ladder whuch has a decent length, somewhere--but I'm not paying for one.

Don't plant them out anywhere they will get baked most of the day. The worst thing you can do is treat them like an opuntia, Totally different, with totally different sun exposure tolerances.

If you want to make them super healthy, give them a drink of mineral water.

The new trellises I am building will all have abandoned motorbike Tyre rims fixed to the top, which will help to spread out the growth and will help with weight distribution. That;s if I can't get a ladder. Remember the plant itself gets incredibly heavy in later years, so you want a very strong post that is very firmly secured in the ground. Struts are recommended also. Otherwise, it WILL fall over, and you probably won't be able to get it back up again without  using something like a block and tackle.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit Overload
« on: December 18, 2013, 07:59:31 PM »
Mike I have a Ducasse that I anticipate will fruit next year. How do you rate the fruit?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Using coconut pots for seed starting?
« on: December 18, 2013, 03:18:22 AM »
The only risk as far as I can see is that the husk they're made from might leech salt into the soil mixture. I'm not sure what advantages coir might give you over a regular seedling pot (apart from those tall narrow ones, which I find to be quite bad for everything but especially fig cuttings). What if the roots grew into the coir itself and became entangled? Could pose damaging issues at the moment of re-potting, which I'm sure you intend to do.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango plucking
« on: December 17, 2013, 10:36:15 PM »
You call it KP and don't know it is short for Kensington Pride?  :o  I think it should be called Pride of Australia. I've yet to meet an Aussie who wouldn't swear it's the best mango in the universe.  ;)

Oscar, I have no personal interest in Mangoes.The quality or lack thereof in the country in which I live I have found is, after brief introspection, absolutely irrelevant to me. It's a fruit, not my ego. It is difficult for me to think of anything more dis-related to my concept of self, nationality, and identity or pride in any of those things more than a mango. I really mean that--I've been sitting here for about five minutes now pondering this, and on the scale of carelessedness the only thing that trumps mangoes for me as far as I can tell, are the colors of broom handles.

I wonder if there is an Australian diplomat on a plane headed to Syria right now with a basket of Bowen Mangoes.

Notice that when Bruce replied to my post about calypso mangoes, I conceded that my opinion of them is probably flawed, as I have not tried a calypso mango in its optimum state of ripeness.

So nobody ever has enter into a 'The fruit from my area is better than the fruit from your area' discussion ever again:

An objectively categorical answer cannot be ascribed to a subjective query insomuch as the separate premises are ultimately irreconcilable as the former is materialistically definitional whilst the latter, being abstract, is nominal.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango plucking
« on: December 17, 2013, 08:12:37 PM »
I confess that I've never tried a tree ripened calypso, my experience of these comes entirely from what is sold at the big retailers and fruit barns. I've never had one which wasn't powdery and insipid. This is must be a result of them not being sold at optimum ripeness. Are you growing Calypso?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango plucking
« on: December 17, 2013, 07:39:16 PM »
I dont think most people know it as 'Kensington Pride' and those who do rarely say 'Kensington Pride', as it sounds very British. The whole reflexive cultural cringe thing. Its usually called 'Bowen', 'Bowen Special' or 'KP'. So I dont think that the name's assertations to having a particular pride in Kensington would make it more appreciated by the market. More likely that the opposite is true. If it was named 'Queeeeeenslaaaaaaaaaaaandeeeeerrrrrrr' or 'F**k off, were(sic) full', playing to the considerable insecurities and tribalism of the local population, it may be a different story...

lol. +1.

Perhaps 'STRAYA! might make a fitting variety title.

I reside at Strathpine and while it this area doesn't seem to achieve quite the level of toenail- banjo-plucking and insularity of neighboring Caboolture, I did recently overhear a conversation between two of our local constabulary as to whether ham or chicken was "better".

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango plucking
« on: December 17, 2013, 07:33:19 PM »
KP is a great mango. The best Mangoes I have tasted have all been KP, or Bowen as they are called under a different name. Calypso in particular has a very washed-out, banal flavor, with a bad flesh-to-seed ratio. You'd need to eat a perfectly tree ripened, fresh and chilled KP mango to understand just how very, very good they are. They are popular for a reason, and that is that everybody prefers them over every other type in Australia. This isn't because they are carrying a banner for KP mangoes (that would be very, very strange) but because they simply satisfy the tastes of the Australian and International consumer. When I eat non KP mangoes, I always feel that the taste has been adulterated from what a mango should taste like, even if  that particular  mango is enjoyable. I find NDM to be like this, especially--a mango that I very much like but I don't associate with genuine mangoeyness. I cannot say the same of Ataulfo, which is a very mangoey mango in my books. This probably all sounds like nonsense, and it probably is.


I am a fan of the television series doctor who. This is probably something largely unfamiliar to most Americans, but it is a sci-fi series which has been airing since 1963. I've grown up with it. I watch it still.The actors who play the doctor have changed numerous times throughout the years--this is actually necessary as it is part of the plot. However, if you ask me who the GOAT doctor is (this changes every so many years, it is part of the plot) I will always say the actor Tom Baker. People from different generations will have other preferences and these will invariably relate to which actor played the doctor during their salad days. When I think of doctor who, I think of Tom Baker. I don't know why, it is just the way it is.

I think the idea of what mango should taste like, the essence of what  mango should be is subjective that way, too.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango plucking
« on: December 16, 2013, 05:53:31 AM »
I've always called the R2E2 Bullock's heart, I much prefer the KP/ Bowen to these and Calypso. Honey Gold is great in smoothies, but I don't see it for sale as much as the others.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango plucking
« on: December 16, 2013, 05:05:30 AM »
The humble KP is Indeed a great mango. Bumper wild crops around at the moment, but it would have been bigger if we hadn't had those few days of rain a couple of weeks back. They are always sold more cheaply than the bullock's heart here in Brisbane, which works for me.

Is it the fruit he is allergic to or the latex from the stems?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Smoking seeds , how is this done ?
« on: December 14, 2013, 03:40:45 AM »
Luc pyro's are another example of evolution not designing things very intelligently. Yes, you are right--there is a high probability of the seeds burning up in a natural setting, and a high chance that the fire needed to bring about germination  will completely destroy the parent tree. Nevertheless, these species have evolved alongside bushfires and are dependent on this in order to survive.

Fire in Australia is deeply interconnected with native ecology. Traditional aboriginal people would routinely set fires as they were aware of this; a lot of mammals and in particular rodents increase in numbers in the advent of bushfire.This is directly related to the fire releasing seeds that these animals feed on. The people would burn off large areas to encourage this population boom of quarry. Make no mistake, this was farming.Additionally, this would create large, open  pastures with nutrient rich grass sprouting grass which would attract grazing wallabies and Kangaroos which could be hunted. You can actually read early settler reports which detail this clearly, remarks about finding spaces which seemed to have been deliberately created like "cricket grounds". There is also a native Australian yam (it gets an attractive yellow flower) which they would plant out as a food crop in certain locations. They would then leave this, and come back at a different season to harvest the tuber. Also, continual backburning (which was done in nomadic patterns by thousands of tribes) ensured that there were not any absolutely devastating fires of gargantuan proportions, simply because you cannot burn something to carbon twice.  In all probability, the black Saturday fires would not have occurred if the land was tended the way it was in pre-colonial Australia for this very reason.  The aboriginal people knew a thing or two.

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Starling true enough, however all Durios are permitted species ie C7100 ICON listed so it is better to do it openly.

DW, all of Mike's suggestions are good. You have to make a customs declaration. I suggest you write seed packets because your package will definitely be opened and inspected. Write latin name on the plastic bag. Make sure NOT to use moss, or peat, as that is prohibited in Australia. Use moistened vermiculite only.
The tricky thing with durian seeds is getting all the pulp off. If you don't they will start to rot. I suggest also double bagging them to try to keep the smell down a bit. Poke some small holes in the bags for venting.

The packages will not "definitely" be opened--this implies a greatly overstated and mythical degree of competence. I can definitely tell you of a recent instance  in which some things were recently received which were both definitely banned from importation and definitely arrived in a soggy cardboard tube wrapped in brown butcher's paper.  The whole thing was absolutely  white with mold. They either  definitely didn't check that package,  or are definitely worse at their job than even I can imagine. They definitely do not check all packages or even the majority of them. Try to understand please, that these people are simply not very good at what they do, and will incinerate permitted species whilst simultaneously allowing through prohibited material of all descriptions. I'm sorry if this post is derisive but frankly that is a department which has and continues to earn derision. Quarantine Legislation in Australia is so badly constructed it beggars belief--almost none of it is based on any kind of logic whatsoever: rather, it is just inarticulate carpet-bomb policy. Not only does it not work with terrifying regularity, but is something which is apropos of willful sloth and slovenliness. If you want a handy go-to slogan for the entire department, look no further than: "Why try harder when you can just ban everything and have more time for doughnuts and pencil hockey?"


The old lie is that it's done to the end of protecting Australian biodiversity and nature. Ok, sure thing. Now consider this: The Liberal party of Australia dissolved the appointment of a science minister upon being elected into office. Yes, that's right; Australia has no minister for science. What we do have is a Minister for Industry--the dishonorable Ian  McFarlane (or 'chainsaw' as he is affectionately referred to by his entourage of cretins) who is a gout afflicted, gin-soaked redneck sugar cane farmer with a bulbous drunk's nose fat as a wilted radish, who  does not possess a degree in anything let alone a science, and who is a climate change denier born and bred in the backwater of Kingaroy.

think about that.

s     

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Smoking seeds , how is this done ?
« on: December 13, 2013, 04:11:35 PM »
I can confirm that fire is the best treatment for all native australian passionfruit but the seeds must be completely incinerated.

lol I wish I could disagree with that, but this is totally accurate. The salmon passionfruit is supposed to have a savory taste (the idea of a fishy, gelatinous passiflora doesn't do it for me).  I reckon the best wild local one is probably the naturalized feral yellow ones you see growing around sometimes. Used to have one growing by the river, it had very good quality fruit with a nice amount of astringency if picked a couple of weeks before ripeness. Bright orange vesicles and quite juicy, certainly better at least than what you can buy at woolworths or coles.

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A whelk is an edible mollusc, still consumed in some parts of Britain.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whelk_stall

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AQIS is categorically the most inefficient and incompetent  Governmental department currently operational in Australia. They could not run a whelk stall--or perhaps the whole operation is a stall run  by whelks.

I wish I could offer some advice which may yield greater success, but alas I cannot. This is simply because the AQIS process is so shambolic in its executions that any suggestion as to how to specifically navigate  it is automatically rendered erroneous. It is akin to asking "What is the best way to ride a soused one-legged duck through a minefield"?

This stated, labeling a package "Attention AQIS" is, I suspect, one of the worst things you could do.If you can, try to not rouse them out of their drool-soaked  vegetable torpor--this will only result in them trying to use their brains, which is inevitably disastrous for everybody involved.

The best thing to, I find (that is, if you don't wish to try and subvert them at every level of involvement possible, as I often do) is to not mark the shipping packaging in any identifiable way whatsoever. The next step is to make sure that you check that what you are sending is mislabeled correctly: if a seed is on the prohibited list, rename it to something that isn't. As long as the difference isn't immediately  visibly appreciable the way oh, I don't know, a sea pig is from a tennis racket, it is unlikely you will arouse even their basest of suspicions which are, no doubt, considerable in volume.

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I have predug 7 holes in my decomposed granite (dg). That's what they all it around. Here. I call it big pebble sandy beach. . All I know is that its some hard rocks.  Like the worse beach sand you can walk through.  I had to use a pick to over several weeks to remove the dirt from the holes.

Most hold water like a swimming pool for several days a few will hold it for a week or 2.


The holes are about half of a 55 gallon barrel


Had a chat with Simon and saw how he did his  holes and he gave me some suggestions with mine.


My plan is to:

1. Throw away old dirt;

2. throw some gypsum on the bottom if each swimming pool hole

3. bring in some planters mix, compost fines, and compost menure. And mix them all together. 

4.  Fill the hole back to normal level

5. plant as a raised mound

The planting is as follows but I don't know which plant grows faster or slower so any input as to the order would be much appreciated.

Hole 1 orange

Hole 2 strawberry guava


Hole 3 longan

Hole 4 2 types banana

Hole 5 rose apple

Hole 6 wax apple

Hole 7 lychee


Passion fruit vine will be in the entire back of the fence after I install a chicken wire type fence in the back.

That all I got so far, any other input or advice would be helpful before I finalize everything.















You will need to at least build the mounds 1ft 1/2 above ground level. A raised bed would be ideal but it doesn't appear you have the space for that, so the raised mounds will have to suffice.

The main problem with the outlay as far as I can see is that the trees are planted far, far too close together. It is going to be very difficult to prune these, particular the longans and lychees, into a wide dome whilst stilll allowing for enough growth to facilitate a decent amount of fruit set. More importantly, everything will be growing into everything else. Some fruit trees do not like competition, I cannot comment if this is true of what you are planting out as I just do not know.

The bananas, if they are not a dwarf variety,, will drown out the light and this will cause sun exposure problems, as these will certainly grow higher than the other species a lot more quickly. Lychees will not set fruit on areas which do not receive full sun. Additionally, the bananas will produce pups which will have to be removed, and in later years, doing this might risk damage of the peripheral root system of the other species as these will become intertwined with them. Everything you have spreads out surface roots; if you treat the soil regularly with compost and mulch and regular watering this will, slowly, turn the upper stratum of soil into a loam. Well, not a loam exactly--but it will be much, much better than what you already have, and will be good enough. Be careful with gypsum, it isn't a panacea and if used excessively will certainly disrupt your soil chemistry.

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