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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grove Security Questions
« on: August 26, 2014, 05:27:55 PM »
Deer fencing, 8 foot fencing will stop pretty much any casual thief and marauding deer. Cyclone fencing would work but is tacky looking. Concertina wire is a good option as long as you have danger signs up you should be good. Obviously No Trespassing signs. In many states(if not all) poaching fruit is against the law, a sign to remind them of that would be helpful. You probably dont even need to fence the entire property line. Just do the visible areas facing the station and street. Most people are too lazy to wander around(that or they dont want to be cornered.)

PS, just noticed you are from my state, fruit poaching is very illegal. Just have to catch them is the tricky part.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What are these bugs and are they bad?
« on: August 26, 2014, 08:01:39 AM »
Yup, Leaf footed stink bugs. Right now they are swarming on my beauty berry bushes all around the yard. Since its far easier to spray them when they are on an non-important plant before they jump to my citrus trees, Ill have to figure out a spray that will actually kill them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Whats this tree?
« on: August 25, 2014, 08:52:34 PM »
What is this guy? The previous owner of the house said it was some kind of African savannah tree and said the berries were edible. That's all I know. I don't feed or water it.





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / What are these bugs and are they bad?
« on: August 25, 2014, 08:47:29 PM »





Any idea what these guys are? They are on most of my Beauty Berry trees. Not that I care a bunch, they are beauty berries, are they a danger to my more serious fruit trees?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Rain Forest Pearl (Hybrid Finger Lime)
« on: August 08, 2014, 08:37:21 AM »
In the US, Harris Citrus has them or did, the Red Finger limes that is. You might have to ask since it wasn't on the list when I showed up. I just saw their prices and since I was way under budget I asked what kind of rare and exotic trees did they have. Red Fingerlime was mentioned as she said at the time they had the only ones approved by FL for release. Mine has doubled in size since October. I planted it in ground in a place where a FL plum wasn't getting enough light and it seems to like this. Harris does ship, but obviously their pick up prices are far better.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Rain Forest Pearl (Hybrid Finger Lime)
« on: August 07, 2014, 07:50:57 AM »
Interesting as I found the full sun part misleading. The nursery here told me very clearly, do not put it in full sun like you can other citrus, they are understory only and like the shade.

At first I thought they were selling it as candy, weird advertisement.

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Why is it called "Super Hardy?" What temp is it good down to?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Is There Light Around The Corner?
« on: August 01, 2014, 12:37:41 PM »
You or I could effectively grow smaller trees or a few large trees in a greenhouse and in theory extend the range pretty far north. I don't think that's economically efficient for large scale efforts. I know several of the original nurseries I have been to(where the regular nurseries get their trees) have all been clean room style green houses, all of their stuff that I have seen has been small. Disney's The Land has a fairly tall green house with quite a few various full size fruit trees including a good sized 9-pound Lemon tree, but they aren't trying to grow stuff on an industrial scale either, nor are there a bunch of citrus to infect that would attract psylids.

So to answer your question, if you had a decent amount of money to put into a good sized enclosure, you could do so on a small scale to sell, say at your local farmers market or produce stand. I think the costs would prohibit anything on a bigger scale.

Living where I live, I would love a small tall greenhouse for a few select trees and one day I might build one, not just for protection from greening, but for protection from deer and all the other bugs and nasties that frequent my area.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Is There Light Around The Corner?
« on: August 01, 2014, 07:55:06 AM »
I don't see the need to abandon groves and fail to understand why this occurs. Yes there is a major economic setback for the grower but They already own the land, most of the equipment remains the same, grow something else. If one is north of Orlando or in an area like mine, apples grow grow great, and require less care than oranges and produce better at a smaller size. South of Orlando, Olives, lychee, and numerous other warm weather loving trees. Last I checked 55 gallon drums of olive oil were selling for quite a bit. Olives take almost zero care, hell, my trees thrive on being ignored. Pomegranates do great here and with the health food craze all they need is creative marketing. All it takes is the farmer leaving their comfort zone, putting up with a few years of loss, which they are going to get anyway since they just abandoned their grove. We have the space, we have the infrastructure, quit gloom and dooming, suck it up, and try something else.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: kei apple - dovyalis caffra
« on: July 30, 2014, 07:53:42 AM »
I have two I planted from seed with the intention of building a thorny hedge where a road entrance into the front of my property used to be that I fenced across to keep friends of the former home owner from just driving into my orchard. They grew quickly to about 2.5 feet and in the heat of the summer have seemed to stagnate. I figured with their original locale they wouldn't really care about the heat. We have gotten an absolute metric buttload of rain lately so I pushed the mulch back about a foot from each tree so they don't stay too wet like some of my trees(Who knew figs liked being submerged under 6" of water for two or three days at a time?). Hopefully once we get into a slightly cooler fall they will start growing again until we get our one month of winter.

I had heard the UN was trying to utilize these trees as a mass crop in Africa due to its ease of growth there. Wonder how that plan is going.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A Visit to Florida
« on: July 27, 2014, 09:39:56 PM »
Wow, nice to have a wife who is into fruit and related stuff. My wife would just look at me funny(and not in an amused way) if we went 600 miles and I said I wanted to hit up a nursery. Have fun down there!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Texas Persimmon - Diospyros texana
« on: July 25, 2014, 11:46:23 PM »
Yeah I tried the ebay seeds. Not a one germinated.  Edself65 Ill take a couple seedlings off your hands when you are ready :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Texas Persimmon - Diospyros texana
« on: July 25, 2014, 12:55:35 PM »
I cant get seeds from this tree to germinate :( Been trying to find a more cold hardy alternative to a black sapote and I have no luck in my zone. I have Mexican plum and it grows like a weed. Anyone know where to get hold of a seedling or small tree that will ship to FL?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Converting Lawn to Planting Areas
« on: July 24, 2014, 07:08:32 AM »
I didnt do my whole yard except in my butterfly garden area. I simply did areas about 5 - 6 feet with the tree in the middle. With the trees I scraped the grass layer off. In the garden I simply added 6-8 inches of mulch on top of the ground. The difference? I have had to pull grass out of the mulch in the garden when it grew through. Hopefully I finally have gotten it all.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Crab apples in Central Florida
« on: July 23, 2014, 02:02:33 PM »
Yeah, problem with non-central florida nurseries is they only ship during certain times of the year. Here in Central Florida however you can plant all times of the year so the shipping thing doesn't make a lot of sense for us and its not worth a 10 hour drive to pick up a $22 tree.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Crab apples in Central Florida
« on: July 23, 2014, 12:18:14 PM »
I am looking to expand my apple orchard in 9B. I have a loquat that refuses to fruit(guessing the previous owner planted a non-self-fertile cultivar) and am thinking about something different there that will work well with my other nearby apples. And yes before someone says it, we can grow apples in central Florida just fine. If it wasnt for the damn deer I would have had close to a bushel of apples from my various small trees this year. (Anna, Dorsett, Em Shimer, Tropic Sweet, Fuji). I know there are low chill varieties out there but information on these guys is kinda hard to find. Augustifolia is listed as a Florida native.

Are there any nurseries in Central Florida or along the Space Coast that might carry them? I know my go to at Green Jungle doesn't have them. Provided I can find more than just generic "Crab Apple" any good varieties?

My alternative is finding a chocolate persimmon tree as I have other persimmons in the area as well, but after some early research and questions, most nurseries just give me a blank look.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wet feet successful trees?
« on: July 23, 2014, 07:46:19 AM »
I also have a pomelo just barely outside the flood zone so I know its roots are there. I pulled the Yuzu and put it in a pot to dry out under the eaves of my house. Hopefully moved it in time. Water had finally stopped running out of it this morning.

Cant do mangos unfortunately, it gets too cold here and freezes down to the roots. I planted one a few years back and pulled it after two years and replanted it in my hill of forgotten trees. A small hill I replant stuff I pull giving them a fighting chance outside of my care. It hasn't gotten above 15" since.

Think I am going to go with another Guava and depending on if my other fig goes, start with a bigger jaboticaba. All on low mounds. Was going to go mulberry but reading online about them has very negative reviews. Need to see if there is any kind of alcohol I can make from Guava and Jabo. For some reason I haven't looked.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wet feet successful trees?
« on: July 22, 2014, 08:42:56 AM »
BSbullie- Have had the all-spice for several years now haven't had any cold issues even with the surprise frosts we had last winter.(They said low of 37, it wasn't). Wasn't aware of the jujube appearance thing but it is in the middle of the front yard about the third tree back in the second row of trees so once the other trees fill out a bit, this guy will be hardly noticeable. I built a butterfly garden around my apple/persimmon grove so it looked a little nicer in the winter. Not to mention I have a 6-8 foot saw palm "hedgerow" across the front along the road further blocking line of sight into the yard.

Greenman- Hmm didn't even think of Jabos, I have two along my driveway and the lowest spot(currently occupied by a dying fig) would be a perfect place for one of those. So mulberry is a pretty water tolerant tree? That was one I was thinking about. How is the fruit on those taste-wise? Guava is another good option. Maybe I will move the one I have that's high and dry down there and replace it with the Yuzu if it doesn't die from drowning.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Wet feet successful trees?
« on: July 22, 2014, 07:57:38 AM »
Well since we have had more rain than I have seen since I have been here and currently I have two figs, a jujube, and a yuzu citrus sitting under about 4 -6 inches of water I think its time I reevaluate my lower front yard area. Note before last week I have never had standing water in this area, but then we have never had downpours of this magnitude everyday since I have been here. If these guys die off I will have to build mounds to plant whatever I replace them with. So that said what are some oddball subtropical -9B  fruit trees I can replace them with that like lots of water? I have all-spice and lychee trees in the back yard that regularly get submerged(and the all-spice are on foot tall mounds) and don't seem to care so something along that level of hardiness would be awesome.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Aticle on fruit thieves
« on: July 14, 2014, 09:28:49 AM »
Rock salt and riot control shotgun rounds(keep a variety of loaded magazines for each type of occasion). I cant justify using lethal force for thieves of fruit(well the two legged kind) but I wont stand by and let the fruit of my labors get stolen by some miscreant. Hold them at gunpoint until the cops arrive. Theft is theft and I know in GA stealing pecans was an arrestable offense. I would be surprised if FL doesn't have similar laws on the books. At a minimum its trespassing.

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Methly plum- just lost its leaves and never grew them back. No clue why. Replaced with a Christmas Loquat.
Asian pear-(short list) its doing fine but I have no pollenators nearby. Currently do not have a replacement in mind thus its still standing.
Ruby Grapefruit- (shortlist). Been a struggle for this tree, not sure if its just a bad tree or me. I don't have near the problems on other citrus. Might replace with another ruby from a different nursery.
Emperor Lychee- (shortlist)Lost its leaves inexplicitly again while I was on a trip. Will replace with a Brewster or other lesser maintenance lychee. Nearby lychees are doing great.
Peach- pulled due to too much work. I think my area is too wet and forever had mold issues. Replaced with a lychee(some Asian named cultivar).

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Swarming? I always thought Psyllids were relatively solitary critters and hard to notice without a close examination?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Persian Lime, New Growth in July???
« on: June 28, 2014, 09:22:11 PM »
Fruit and new growth on my finger lime and even more on my Key lime,key lime with fruit. I find my established citrus tend to have several flushes of new growth a year and the similar kinds tend to do it at the same time.  I think my oranges should be next on rotation.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Citrus Breeding Center Opens
« on: June 25, 2014, 07:39:06 AM »
Kind of an out of the way place to put it, I would have thought they would have built a citrus center somewhere relatively close to the actual citrus belt and not in a town of 143 people way up in Northern Florida.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: SKINN30A CITRUS GROVE PROGRESSION
« on: June 23, 2014, 09:41:01 PM »
Theres always farmers markets. Brave man with greening so prevalent in FL. I would have diversified into a few rows of non-citrus as a backup plan. Olives are a safe bet these days.

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