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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Citrus Greening
« on: June 23, 2014, 08:17:56 AM »
Millet- that plan cant come soon enough. I heard it was still experimental at this time and they hadn't started releasing them into the wild yet. Hopefully since I have the Mormon ranch a few miles down the road from me, biggest private owners of non-federal land in FL, mostly cattle but they have fairly large orange groves as well, they will make their way in this direction. I had heard they were having an issue with the wasps surviving winter temps

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Wow. Ill keep spraying my 17 trees until I can afford an orchard that size..... Ha who am I kidding, I am going olive if I ever get around to it, the lazy man's tree. I think the best advise for home growers is stick to the resistant varieties of citrus and leave the bulk stuff to the big boys. Continue to spray your foliar sprays and keep them as healthy as possible which unlike normal giant groves is much more doable and cheaper than it is on a big scale. Or just go with non citrus fruit trees, for many of us, this is Florida after all.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can MULCH be BAD for fruit trees?
« on: June 18, 2014, 07:47:24 AM »
Ditto what HIfarm said. I saw this yesterday in fact when I was digging in my sand normal soils and found, well sand. I had to dig under a mulched area in my butterfly/bee garden and found quite a few worms, and the soil was far richer and moist.

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Something that is going to kill off fungus is not a good idea, especially if you are mulching since fungus is a primary beneficial inhabitant of mulch. Going high organic content is perhaps the safest and most reliable means of keeping them off your tree. I have read reports that say that population tests have been done in high and low organics soil and they found the same rough amount of nematodes in both soils but in the high organics they were not infesting the trees. Not to mention a healthy tree is better able to withstand and fight off pests and disease and usually a high organic content soil will help greatly in this. My recommendation is a good hard/soft wood mulch 6-8" deep(to start, it will compress) about 3-5 feet around the tree with a fungus inoculation. Fungus will form on its own, it just takes a bit more time, having the two types of wood will encourage different types of fungus and diversity is always a good thing. Other than that, keep your trees healthy and you shouldn't have to worry too much about nematodes.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can MULCH be BAD for fruit trees?
« on: June 16, 2014, 11:32:49 PM »
Initially decomposing mulch can use a lot of the available nitrogen but it usually isnt enough to harm the tree and it balances out in later years. Mulch is all around a good thing to have just like the above posters listed there are do's and donts to using it properly.

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Well its either do this, hope that a cure is found or let the disease(I refer to greening in my case since DNA is a route they are going there as well) wipe out everything except one or two trees that have the genetic trait that lets them survive and use those to replace everything. That's how nature works and why humans at several points in our ancient history were on the cusp of survival for one reason or another. I read a report the other day that says citrus is teetering now and within ten years will be destroyed in FL. I personally would prefer they find a cure, but if they do not,  I definitely do not want everything wiped out so as a last ditch attempt. Ill side with GMO over losing everything. Not like adding a pig gene will be noticeable to anyone(mmm bacon flavored orange juice....). I had heard it was spinach before so the pig thing is new to me.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Citrus Greening
« on: June 06, 2014, 02:08:24 PM »
Wow, talk about threadomancy. Wondering why I didn't recognize any of the names and why Millet hadn't jumped in yet. In small scale greening isn't that great an issue if the owner is willing to spend the time and money keeping his trees healthy. I would hate to see the expense doing it in a large scale orchard. Myself, I only have about 16 citrus out of my 60ish trees and only 6 of those are oranges of various types. Every citrus producing state has greening from what I have read so now we need to figure out how to live with it. I have heard they are making good progress on gene-spliced citrus trees immune to it but on the private individual scale, even if those trees came out this week, we wouldn't see them available to us for years and likely they would only be limited in types available with not many of our rare and exotic specimens being done.

I kinda laughed when the above poster mentioned Cali spraying the state to stop the Psalids. As if the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia would ever do something that environmentally nuts.

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OMG its the new SUPER FRUIT!  Couldn't resist throwing the most over used word in dietary science out there lol. Glad I have one, cant wait til it starts fruiting.

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You can usually ask the tree trimmers what they have put in the chipper when you get it. I had camhper(?) oak and a ton of pine in mine when I had a delivery made. bagged stuff is ok but what you miss out heavily on is the diversity of whats in the pile. Diversity of wood chips is key for getting any good soil improvement. You want both the hard and softwood(leaning more towards hard wood)(Heh heh heh he said hard wood)  for a good fungal duff zone. Plus you get leaves, needles and small twigs and branches which break down nicely.

If you go the packaged route, don't just get Cyprus. Pick up a variety of chip types for maximum benefit. Unless it really has to look uniform. After a couple weeks it all looks the same anyway unless its dyed.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rain today!!
« on: June 02, 2014, 10:45:57 AM »
We finally got a good drenching yesterday with showers throughout the day and into the night. That was one of the driest periods I have had so far in hot weather and even my "Doesn't give a crap" grass was browning. Made for a muddy bike ride in the nearby state park as well which is always entertaining :)

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: New citrus arrivals
« on: May 30, 2014, 07:42:07 AM »
Try picking them up yourself, if you think the shipping prices are great, they will blow your mind and talk your ears off, in a good way. I picked some up in October and have had great luck with them. Two of the ones I picked up were from the conversation as interesting items that at the time were not on their website.

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If you don't live in the dozen or so states that don't allow shipping of unapproved citrus. Neat tree though if you trust the seller.

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Don't send the branches to the dump, burn them. Odds are if you send them to the dump they will get chipped up and turned into mulch or further into compost, thus spreading canker further.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hot weather replacement for Neem?
« on: May 24, 2014, 08:24:58 PM »
The pressed Neem oil is the one that solidifies under 65 degrees, it is a lightish brown liquid that has a nutty butter amell to it. Apparently the extract which from what I read is not as effected as the extract and misses some things. Kind of like Liquid fish and Fish Emulsion. You arent supposed to spray Neem above 85 due to suffocating or burning the leaves(forget which).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hot weather replacement for Neem?
« on: May 23, 2014, 02:22:15 PM »
I need it more for my other trees than the lychee. Nothing really bothers them. When I spray I tend to spray everything, something I need to break myself of. But with the heat I still need something for the leaf minors and caterpillars. Neem doesn't seem to stop either anyway :(  Is spinosad organic? I have been talking to a big bee keeper in the area and money is the only reason he still puts beehives in non-organic orchards, he says the death rate is far too high.

-Just read the link, it says it is organic so I will give it a try.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Hot weather replacement for Neem?
« on: May 23, 2014, 10:29:12 AM »
Well since I think I fried two of my Lychees by putting Neem on them and having the weather spike the next day(oddly it only affected two of them and not the rest or anything else), what is a good organic replacement for Neem? Preferably something that takes out leaf miners and caterpillars too.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Effectiveness of Praying Mantis?
« on: May 22, 2014, 07:48:45 AM »
Yeah great... So now I guess you are going to tell me Blue Orchard Bees and Texas Killer bees are bad for my garden as well right? :P   Oh well, glad I didn't buy them then. Now to somehow get hold of Destroyer Ladybugs.....

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best fruit trees for hedges
« on: May 21, 2014, 11:24:57 PM »
Allspice is a fairly tall tree not a hedge. Its just slow bushy growing. I have a few. I didnt see what area you are from but I wouldnt plant it above 9b. They got frost burn during even our mild winter which is still visible on the older leaves.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Effectiveness of Praying Mantis?
« on: May 21, 2014, 12:27:46 PM »
If you only have one tree, it would likely be a waste as they will head off in search of more food elsewhere. I like Mantises and keep checking my local nursery to see if they have some eggs.(slapping my forehead about not buying them the last time I saw them). I think the benefit of them taking out bad bugs outweighs the negatives. Plus lets face it, they are entertaining as hell to play with and watch.

Lady bugs are a good option as well. I released about 1500 in my orchard about a month ago. Seen a couple still sticking around. Its a shame we cant legally get the good ladybug species called Destroyer ladybugs. Saw them over at Epcot, those things are monstrous predators apparently but the USDA wont approve them for release. Probably send their new SWAT team after you if you tried hehe.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best fruit trees for hedges
« on: May 21, 2014, 07:40:55 AM »
Kei Apples. Big thorns and edible fruit. Grows into a hedge form naturally. Very drought resistant. From South Africa I believe. I had heard it was such a good easy fruit that the UN was growing it in regions subject to famine for the natives. Note it isn't related to apples at all.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: gotta love florida
« on: May 20, 2014, 07:52:32 AM »
I find small clam shells all the time when I dig and along my canal. Apparently about 6-10' below my surface here the soil becomes a very porous shell bank of crushed shells and such and goes down at least a 120'. Not sure what's under that(assuming limestone) but most wells in my area end at 110-115' which is thankfully why we are below the sink hole line, which is what the people just north of us deal with with a higher limestone level which can deteriorate causing sinkholes.

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Hmm looks like the trees on my shortlist might be getting pulled sooner than expected. I actually don't have a normal lime tree, just Key lime. Now which underperforming tree gets the boot....

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: jaboticabas and zone 9a
« on: May 15, 2014, 02:05:38 PM »
No damage. Just defoliation followed b y new leaves on the same branches in warmer weather. As far as mangos and starfruit, the mangos came back from the rootstock below the graft. Nothing came back from the starfruit. The trees are two years old now. 

That's a different map than others I have seen. Most I have seen have 9b along the coast and almost to Orlando inland with Orlando being 9 north and across from Daytona being 8. Wonder if its a new update.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: jaboticabas and zone 9a
« on: May 15, 2014, 09:59:33 AM »
I am in a cool microclimate of 9B. We usually are about 10 degrees cooler than neighboring Orlando in the winter. I have two Jabo's and they are planted about fifteen feet from each other and have been for the last couple years. I had no trouble in the brief frosts we had this past winter, one frost they were protected, the other was a surprise frost where they were predicting upper 30s and we got well below that. The year prior we had a few more and I didn't do anything to protect them. One went through with flying colors and didn't even have leaf damage. The other got hit hard by one, and lost all leaves the next one. But it came back with new leaves in spring.

I never understood the 9a/9b and which one is cooler than the other. I personally think my microclimate is an 8 but who am I to argue. I know mangos, papayas, and starfruit do not last the winter in my area, but the Jabo's do.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Foliar Feeding
« on: May 13, 2014, 07:54:49 AM »
On a weekly rotating basis I spray 8 gallons of Liquid Seaweed, then Liquid Fish, then Liquid Neem and the Dyna-pro soap. Note the Liquid fish is not emulsion but actual liquefied fish. I usually wait until late evening. I just started this process this year and thus far am very impressed with the results. My apple trees are looking great and actually have a few this year(they are still only a few years old and the newest ones haven't sinc'd up on blooming cycles. 

Neem does not stop leaf miners in citrus though, but I am seeing much less damage from grasshoppers, caterpillars, and other munchie bugs.

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