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Yep, looks like a bloom.  My Carrie is doing the same thing,  but I am in SoCal.  However, some of my "blooms" are both leaf growth and flowers combined.
I'm leaving mine outdoors unless we have another artic blast....with the hopes of some pollination.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First mango graft
« on: December 14, 2013, 03:02:27 PM »
Congratulations on your first successful mango graft!
I myself am still waiting for my first successful graft...but looks like I have a chance with my winter Ewais mango graft.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: SoCal Mango freeze
« on: December 14, 2013, 02:37:20 AM »
Moorpark Guy,

I recall reading that the cold hardiest of Mango Professor's new line is the Antonio mango.  Give them a call and see if they have any stock left....I read somewhere they are almost sold out.

You can also try a Timotayo mango, Mango Professor's first cold hardy mango that is grown by La Verne Nursery.  I picked one up recently at Lowes ($50) and it did pretty well during the last cold snap without any protection.



Thanks for the virtual tour.  Looks like everything survived the cold weather pretty well.
Nice and toasty in the hoop house too...hope the mango trees get enough water!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How to save a toppling avocado tree
« on: December 12, 2013, 10:42:09 PM »
I cut the tree 5' ( lost over 100 avocados)staked it with a 10' 2X4 and tied the tree with rubber tree ties. I also staked the 2X4 with 3' stakes on each side and double tied it. I saved over 100 fruits :D

Great save 6 months ago!  What great looking fruit today!

Warren, do you keep your mangoes inside the whole day? I keep mine in the garage at night only. It doesn't make much difference as far as pollination is concerned anyway IMO, because with this weather, I don't see any bees around.

Unfortunately, for the last week, the mango trees have stayed in the garage the whole day.  They saw sunlight for a few hours today, as there was no rain and I was home to move them.  I would like to see them get more sunlight, but in 15 gallon pots, its too heavy for my family to move when I am at work early in the morning.  Waiting for my portable greenhouse to solve my problem.

Gary and James: Nice protection structures!

After seeing everyone else's frost protection....I'm kind of wondering if mine does any good.  This is what Mimosa LA told me to do for my big mango trees.

Of course, my smaller mango trees in 15 gallon pots are hiding in my garage where they are flowering with no bees and flies to pollinate.

Looks like I will have to learn how to hand pollinate.


Wow! 35degF in La Palma, CA Sunday morning at 6am.
There is frost on roofs and cars.
Over here, Monday morning is expected to be the worst.


Can you post a picture of your frostcloth enclosure that covers 5 mango trees?
I was curious.... trying to picture what your setup looks like and its size.


Hang in there Gary!

I feel your pain.
My new greenhouse is stuck at UPS Cerritos with a wrong shipping address.
So I had to lug all my small and medium potted mangos into my garage.

Hoping that my Glen and triple graft survive another year out in the open.

I was watching CBS2-LA news tonight and an interviewed avocado farmer in Ventura County said that they wetted the soil (added humidity) to help combat the arctic blast's effects.  But I'm too scared to water because of my fear of winter root rot.

Crossing my fingers.


711 probably mean Gwen Avocado, not Glen.

There is description of each of these 3 dwarf avocados at the Flowerdale Nurseries (Santa Ana, CA) website:

Summary of the dwarf avocados from Flowerdale's point of view:
Wurtz (aka Little Cado; originated in Encinitas, CA) is the best avocado to grow in containers.  Flavor average to good.
Holiday (seedling of Reed) can be grown in LARGE containers...supposedly one of the best tasting dwarf avocados.
Gwen (dwarf Hass; originated in Riverside, CA) is the most productive of the dwarf avocados.  This variety is best suited for growing in the ground.

Hope this helps.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Need Mango Tree advice/trunk related
« on: November 28, 2013, 02:06:49 PM »
After you follow Simon and Ethan's advice, you can also "paint" over the parafilm & tape with pruning sealer.  This is what La Verne Nursery does for their grafted mango trees right at the graft.
Hope this helps.
Good luck!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Watering potted mango trees
« on: November 28, 2013, 11:42:30 AM »
Hello All.  Happy Thanksgiving!

I have enclosed a picture of what I believe is the result of overwatering for a potted mango tree.  I have read posts elsewhere that the symptoms of overwatering and underwatering are similar ....resulting in browing tips of mango leaves.  Is this true?

I have shown the front and back sides of the 2 leaves from a 15 gallon potted Mallika mango tree in Southern California (SoCal).

The moisture meter [Hampton Bay three way (moisture, light, pH) conductivity 9 inch probe] is 6/10 after yesterday's watering, which means that it is very moist, but not wet.
My friend and I debated whether these meters are accurate.
On another post, CTMIAMI stated
"The only real accurate moisture indicator is a Tensionmeter. That is what I use, after spending hundreds of dollars is others over the years."
I'm thinking about this $100+ investment.

Mimosa Los Angeles (LA), where the Mallika mango tree was purchased, told me that their [Southern California] potted mango watering guidelines are:
Summer:  Water every 5 days (3 if extemely hot).  Fill it to the rim (2-3 inches of water) once.  Let it drain fully.  Fill it to the rim a 2nd time.
Winter:  Water every 15 days.  Fill it to the rim (2-3 inches of water ) only once.

I didn't ask for any advice for Fall or Spring watering...
so I interpreted Fall and Spring as water every 5-7 days, filling it to the rim (2-3 inches of water) only once....perhaps less after looking at my pics?
Sometimes it is harder to estimate this if the potting soil is filled high to the rim like mine is.
But I probably should switch to the winter watering schedule now that nighttime temperatures in SoCal will drop below 50degF really soon.

Any opinions?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help Identifying My Mango Tree!
« on: November 18, 2013, 02:54:05 AM »

Congrats on the successful graft!
Maybe an Okrung or Nam Doc Mai?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: my mango collection and observations
« on: November 18, 2013, 02:32:54 AM »
RodneyS, MangoFang,

I sent you both a test PM.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Painted Mango Collection
« on: November 16, 2013, 02:24:46 AM »
I was curious if anyone has bought any of the new line of cold hardy mangoes (Painted Mango Collection) at socalplantbreeders?!mango-varieties-currently-avai/comb
I saw tiered price(s) mentioned on another website...seemed reasonable for So Cal, but never confirmed them.

25degF hardiness seems to be pretty good!
I was really curious/interested in these mangoes for So Cal, but it appears there wasn't enough for a taste sampling this year.  Most of the varieties were described as sweet, mild flavor.
2 of the 10 varieties appear to be out of stock until 2015...those 2 were described as aromatic.
Its kind of tough to make an assessment based on the website descriptions alone.  Looks like it may take about 2-3 years before we hear feedback from other growers.
With the thousands of seeds that were tested and hybridization, I'd imagine that it was difficult to keep track of the parent(s) for each of the 10 new mango types in the collection. I didn't see the parent(s) published anywhere in their website.



Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: my mango collection and observations
« on: November 15, 2013, 11:49:41 PM »

I'm growing Manzano bananas (apple bananas), if you consider these tropicals....but pretty much only mangoes.
Off topic....strangely enough, I'm growing the opposite of subtropicals too ....low chill cherries thanks to Dave Wilson's Nursery.

Yep...slow growth...It is possible that my "Glenn" became root bound in its 24" planter box before I got it into the ground in 2003.
But from what I have read, our climate here in So Cal really stunts growth (winter time) and results in later fruit ripening than Florida.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / my mango collection and observations
« on: November 15, 2013, 07:14:21 PM »
Hi everyone.  This is my first start new topic post.
I wanted to share my lineup of fairly new mango trees and give my observations.

Lineup of potted mango trees:

From left to right:
1. Mallika (PIN grown, purchased from Mimosa LA today in a 7 gallon pot and transferred to a 15 gallon pot).  I heard so many good things about this variety in So Cal.  This will be fun to figure out when to pick it...from what I have read.
2. Multi-grafted Glenn, Alfonso, Valencia Pride (VP), and Haden? (purchased from Mimosa LA in Nov 2012 in a 20 gallon pot).  See comments below (close-up of multi-grafted tree).
3. Timotayo (La Verne Nursery grown, purchased from Lowes in Oct 2013)...MangoProfessor's creation that he supposedly lost patent control over by ownership change and mistake at La Verne Nursery.  Let's see how cold hardy this variety is...although it doesn't really get too cold where I live in North Orange County CA (zone 10b).
4. Carrie (PIN grown, purchased in summer 2013 from Mimosa LA in a 15 gallon pot).  Had 1 fruit that was flavorful but not sickening sweet as PIN and others have described.  In fact, I felt it was a little tart.  But the flesh was very fragrant near the skin.  This must be the piney taste that I have heard people describe.  According to Gilbert at Mimosa LA, I picked it just a little too early.  It had a yellow patch on the sunny facing side and it came off the tree fairly easily in a 90 degree twist.  Next year, I will wait a little longer...maybe yellow at the bottom beak....which would mean picking in mid-October.
5. Keitt (La Verne nursery grown, purchased from Lowes in May 2013 in a 5 gallon pot and transferred to a 7 gallon pot).  Probably will get fruit in 2 years.
6. Manila mango puchased from Home Depot in winter 2012-3 and used for grafting experiments.  Still in its 5 gallon pot.  Haven't been successful at grafting yet.

Close-up of the multi-grafted tree:

Glenn at middle right...can you believe this tiny little graft delivered 3 good sized fruit this year.  Sweet and flavorful. Yellow-orange color inside.
VP on far left...delivered 1 nice fruit.  Very sweet and flavorful...with a little tartness.
Alfonso in middle of picture ....didn't fruit.  Anxiously waiting for next year.
Haden at top (cut off in picture) ...I don't think it is a Haden based on shape and taste.  Gilbert and Tom at Mimosa LA claim the tree was originally a Haden from La Verne before they grafted onto it.  However, the 3 fruit from it this year was extremely elongated shaped (like Maha Chanok) and sweet, but lacked any tropical mango flavor that is characteristic of Haden.  There was also a lot of fiber at the seed.  Maybe I will top work this someday with another variety.  I'll give it 1 more chance this year.

In-ground tree:

Bought this tree 10 years ago (in 2003) from Mimosa Anaheim.  It was already an adult size (5-6 ft tall) in a 2 ft wide box and was labelled "Indian".
I thought it was a Baileys Marvel tree until I compared it against a "real" Glenn fruit this year from my multi-grafted tree.  I compared outward appearance, color inside, texture, flavor, size of seed).  I do note that the fruit should not be allowed to ripen too long on the tree as it becomes acidity/sour if you let it stay too long.  If it falls on the ground, it is generally overripe.
Its kind of weird...I use the smell test to determine when to pick it.  If I can smell the tropical mango scent at the skin, then its ready to pick.  Color alone doesn't determine ripeness, especially the ones that are inside the canopy and green.
My tree is now 10 feet tall in the ground and a favorite amongst my family.  It has been pruned every year, but never at the top.  It is pruned because I planted it too close to the wall and I wanted to prevent the tree from tipping over.  The growth is relatively slow and matches the characteristic of the Glenn.  Now I am curious if anyone here in So Cal has a Bailey's Marvel.

Whew...sorry for the long post.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Pirie Mango
« on: November 15, 2013, 05:26:37 PM »
Thanks Gary.  I will contact you guys for the mango tasting next year.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Pirie Mango
« on: November 13, 2013, 03:58:27 PM »
Thanks Harry for the info.

I'm new to this forum, but have been reading mango posts for years...don't know why it took me so long to join.

Someday, I hope to meet Southern CA locals JF, MangoFang, & MangoProfessor (who live relatively close to me) and go to one of their mango tasting sessions to try one of their Edwards and seek what other mangoes taste like White Pirie.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Pirie Mango
« on: November 13, 2013, 11:15:35 AM »
Mr. Clean,

I was curious about this too.  I'm surprised that no one has replied.

I don't know the answer myself because I have never tried an Edwards mango...but have heard so many good things about them.
But I have tried both the White Pirie and the Pirie (similar to White Pirie) a few times while visiting relatives in Hawaii.  White Pirie is the best mango that I have ever tried!
I did have a VN (Vietnamese?) mango tree that I bought at Mimosa Anaheim (California) about 10 years ago and its fruit tasted and looked colorwise just like the White Pirie.  Unfortunately, I killed the tree later that year by overwatering and have not been able to find the VN mango tree for sale anywhere since then.

Literature indicates that the Bombay mango is similar to the Paheri/Pairi/Pirie.  Not many people grow Bombay mango in California, from what I can tell.  So, since you are from Florida where people actually grow Bombay mango trees...
Maybe another question is... does the White Pirie taste like a Bombay mango? And does an Edwards mango taste like a Bombay mango?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: November 11, 2013, 11:10:48 PM »
My name is Warren and I live in La Palma, CA. 
I am new to this forum and thought I would say hello...although I have read many of your mango posts throughout the last year.
I am an Electrical Engineer at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena. 
As a hobby, I am interested in growing mango trees.  All but one of my mango trees are in pots.  I have a 15 year old in-ground Glenn (what I believe to be a Glenn) and a potted 15gal Carrie, 5 gal Timotayo, 5 gal Keitt, 5 gal Manila (for grafting), and a 15 gal multi-grafted Alphonso/Valencia Pride/Glenn on a Haden seedling. 
I'm also very interested in MangoProfessor's new line of cold hardy mangos, but do not have any yet.
I've also been practicing the art of grafting over the last year, but have yet to be successful after several attempts.
I've lost several mango trees over the last few winters and am hoping to learn a lot from you all and have fun at my revitalized hobby. 

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