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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Digging up a mango tree
« on: February 26, 2018, 08:03:42 AM »
What's fascinating is the difference in types of plant material cold to warm regions.  For example, you wouldn't dare plant a deciduous tree between April and August any where in Texas.  Late fall is the best time to plant evergreens and deciduous trees like pome fruits.  The botanical strategy is the more time you have between the time you planted during the cool/cold weather (while the "dormant" tree is setting a rootstock) and the heat of summer the better.

What's weird is that they are bullet proof during summer but very easy to kill if transplanted during the cooler months (even when well irrigated).


I assume that is due to root rot pressures regarding mango.  I planted 4 of baby oak varieties (burr, chinkapin, shumardi red, Monterrey live oak)  in the winter in 2005, about 40 in all, in our clay muck due to the never ending rains and they're now stately 25' trees with 14" trunks that shade my property.  Here's a shot I took yesterday morning upstairs showing lightning thru some trees.



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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Need atemoya or cherimoya rootstock
« on: February 26, 2018, 07:54:50 AM »
Thanks for the info and help!  Believe I responded to all PM's.

Regards,
Mark

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Need atemoya or cherimoya rootstock
« on: February 25, 2018, 10:05:09 AM »
Have checked ebay and done searches on Google.  Stock is either pricey, too small for grating, or both.

Thanks,
Mark 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Digging up a mango tree
« on: February 25, 2018, 07:40:35 AM »
Transplanting mango in mid summer gives the best chance for success. While mangoes are generally resistant to transplantation, doing it at the wrong time will kill even a small mango tree. You might be safe now that we're in spring, but they are semi bullet proof to transplant in summer.

Amazing.  Most trees couldn't take that kind of treatment.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Digging up a mango tree
« on: February 24, 2018, 08:37:28 AM »
Ya can't argue with success, way to go!

See the Haden I transplanted last year. Your tree is a baby compared to this one. We hacked every leafing branch off and dug a good root ball. Transplanted it and every other day for the first 30 days I drained a 55 gallon drum of water mixed with Super Thrive onto the base of the tree. The two photos show the tree’s recovery not even 10 months later. Didn’t show one sign of stress at any point. IMO mango trees are amongst the easiest trees to transplant. For me, Mamey is the most difficult







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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Digging up a mango tree
« on: February 23, 2018, 06:27:37 PM »
My dad taught me how to transplant trees long ago.....

You made my point.   :D

Obviously, the practice of pruning the crown of a transplanted tree or shrub does not reflect what actually
happens to the plant physiologically. In addition to interfering with the plant's ability to establish its
roots, the removal of a significant portion of the crown also means the plant has lost biomass and cannot
photosynthesize at its previous level. Thus, plants that have been top pruned are hit with a "double
whammy:" part of their photosynthetic system is removed, and those resources that are left are directed
towards new shoot development. It's no surprise that root establishment under these conditions is
difficult.


 https://s3.wp.wsu.edu/uploads/sites/403/2015/03/transplant-pruning.pdf

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Digging up a mango tree
« on: February 23, 2018, 10:46:07 AM »
I'm on the fence regarding prevailing thought of removing a lot of top to balance it with the root loss.  Assuming it's to help prevent dehydration you're also removing the very food mechanism the plant uses to produce new tissue.  I also don't top a tree when I plant it in the ground whether it be bare root or out of a pot.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best avocado's for semitropical climate?
« on: February 23, 2018, 09:33:57 AM »
I have info from experienced growers who swear by Hazzard and Rincon for hot tropical areas, Pinkerton too.  Heck, I'll just shoot a photo of page one fer ya.



Been to P. Vallarta, took trips into the jungles.  I think the uplands would support most of the Cali. types.  You may have to go with the typical W. Indies or hybrids with Guatemelan.

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Good advise.  I have two of the Gel packs on their way with an Amazon order.  Will try different methods.  Hopefully someone will gift me with some seedlings big enough to graft to.  We get a lot of folks who bring 100's of bags of scions and pots of every kind of fruit you can imagine, seedlings, cuttings, seeds, etc. at the Austin and Houston scion exchange meetings.

Speaking of figs, they're big here.  One lady is bringing some rare French variety from cuttings she started.  Stuff like that......

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I must have missed the answer to this somewhere. Why shouldnt you amend the soil when planting avocados?

We're talking clay soils only.  It creates a pot that holds water thereby drowning the tree.  Roots get comfortable and will not explore the native soil because folks fail to take corrective action before planting.  First they glaze the clay hole with a post hole digger or shovel and fail to fracture the sides and bottom.  Only native soil used as backfill will seal that hole from the top and prevent it from becoming a non draining clay pot.  The key is surface drainage whether that be a natural slope, raised bed, or mound.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Digging up a mango tree
« on: February 23, 2018, 09:00:53 AM »
So you don’t think the tree will servivied.

No.  Didn't word it quite right but for me I don't think it's worth the risk of failure much less breaking your back.  Your cost for trees bought locally must be very low too.  We get the same mangos from the same sources as you guys and a 3 gal. from Houston's JRN nurseries is $35 for example.  A bit more in Corpus Christi and south.

If you must......... remove all fruit and flowers and get as much root mass as you can. 

A 5-6" tree trunk is a big ass trunk without a good tree spade.  You'd have pretty good success if the tree girth was say......1/2" to 1".  If it was mine I'd spray with a copper fungicide a couple of days before digging.

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Thank you, sir.

The only drench rate I found when I re-read the CS2005 label was for apple.


Most welcome.  Magnabon is labeled for spraying mangos as well as most of our tropical fruits. http://www.magnabon.com/userfiles/file/cs2005label.pdf

Page 5 has soil drench rates but not for fruits.  I'd talk to one of their techs if I were you.  I also noted that cuttings can be sprayed and dipped which is what I'll do with the cherimoya cuttings.  https://phytoncorp.com/wp-content/downloads/phyton35specimen.pdf

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Is this for novelty? I can't see any advantage over starting seeds. Cherimoya roots are delicate and spindly enough as it is.

No, it's because of an emergency as I should be getting scions in the mail tomorrow.  An Ace in the hole thingie.  I'm hoping folks will gift me some decent seedlings as promised, big enough to graft to at our upcoming Austin scion exchange meeting. Lost all my seedlings in my recent freeze.

I have seeds germinating but am a good 2 years away from doing anything with them.

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I am very interested to know what rate of either product per gallon of water; and how many square feet of ground covered by each gallon of mix, for drenching mangos.

Have to check my greenhouse journal for the soil drench amount.  For foliar 1.5 - 2 tsp. per gallon of either product works.  Phyton is kinda syrupy suggesting it has a surfactant.  I add about 1 tsp. and no more of a non-ionic surfactant to Magnabon CS2005.   Pots are 55 gal., about 33" diameter, bottomless so the trees root into native soil.  Labels have rates for all kinds of apps.

BTW, I really screwed up on my first application with this chemistry by miss reading the Phyton label and applied 10X the recommended rate.  Was shocked to find minor leaf burn on the avocados and that was mainly to younger tender foliage.  Both companies have excellent tech help.   Recommend a talk with Frank Miele at Phyton.  Tell him I sent you.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Digging up a mango tree
« on: February 22, 2018, 10:27:50 AM »
So I need to dig up a mango tree . Should I cut back some of the branches? What the chance it’ll will 
Survived  ? The  tree truck is about 5 to 6 “  at the root.

Thanks

NO way.  Not worth the grunt or the risk which is slim to none IMO.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: largest avocado variety (ASK)
« on: February 22, 2018, 10:26:33 AM »
Marcus Pumpkin is an average Florida “West Indian hybrid” avocado flavor.

Thanks, that is what I figured.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: largest avocado variety (ASK)
« on: February 22, 2018, 09:27:49 AM »
Hmm, I have a Marcus Pumpkin I just found and bought.  Maybe I'll eliminate all but one or two fruits after it gets established to try and grow a giant.

Anybody eaten one of the MP?  We have a nurseryman in the valley (along the Mexican border) that swears by it, says it's the best.  Down there by comparison it's W. Indies X Guat. hybrids, not Cali types.

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Boron-deficiency is also a cause of recent fruit-sets dropping.  Be careful to not over-do it when correcting.

Yep, and too often over looked.  I apply Solubor to all my fruiting greenhouse trees especially avocados and to my vinifera vineyard.  Easy does it as too much and it's toxic.

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The products I mentioned are not "organic."  If your tree is not going to be productive because it is dying, certification for organic production is mute.

Great point Har.  Sometimes our aspirations take over common botanical sense resulting in financial losses.  It doesn't have to be.

Marley, do and use whatever you can to save the tree....and keep it to yourself.   ;)  You could be applying Magnabon CS2005 both as a foliar spray and soil drench.  Like I said before it is OMRI certified organic FWIW.

Case in point.  You know I got hit with 18F.  Well guess what, my Reed avocado (a frost IN-tolerant pure Guatemelan race) is pushing green foliage all over the place.  All my citrus is green and everyone who grows citrus knows key lime is not hardy.  Not only is the key lime tree alive but the grafts (tall branches now) of orange, persian lime and lemon on it are alive.  Why?  I think in part because I staved off root and other tissue rot thanks to a foliar spray of copper 2 days before the freeze hit and then 2 days after the freeze I applied a strong soil drench of copper, this time Phyton 35, same copper chemisty.  I'll worry about the small stuff like soil microbial health later.  Right now my focus is on saving my stock at ANY cost.

Yes, get the mulch off the tree.  That trunks needs air circulation.

Good luck amigo!

Mark

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: When to Pick Moro Blood Orange?
« on: February 22, 2018, 09:07:35 AM »
Does moro ever get sweet? The ones I've tried are all really tart and the data I've seen say 10% brix and >1% acid.

My Moro gets real sweet and takes on a fine complex spiciness.  It was not very good until the tree got some age so be patient.  Also I let mine have a lot of hang time.  Come March and they're prime.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Air-Pot question
« on: February 22, 2018, 09:02:55 AM »
Yes Phil, all 3 took, but when i prune the tree i accidentally cut-off 2 branches with the sions on them, could not reuse them. I only got one left and that one only grew about 2 feet. I will probably regraft it this spring. How about yours, any luck? My Minh is doing excellent, still have one fruit on now.


None took but El Bumpo and it bit the dust thanks to a hard freeze.  This winter has been really hard on us Texans.  That's partly our fault for growing plants that don't belong here.  For me it was a heater failure but many lost outdoor tropicals in spite of taking correct protective measures.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Any Info on Cotton Candy Mango?
« on: February 22, 2018, 08:59:23 AM »
Cotton Candy from Florida. It was recently planted into my raised bed and I’m using it for scions and for seeds. It’s flowering heavily at about 2.5 feet tall and just as wide. The branches are weighed down with the weight of the blooms.

So far, the blooms are setting fruit with no evidence of any fungal diseases.



Simon

Amazing!  And if the branches hold fruit well like Frank noted that's even better.  Before the freeze I also noted that Cotton Candy tended to be much more compact than the other 7 on the same tree with short internode.  Compare that against the most vigorous and lanky, Pineapple Pleasure, which had very long internodes.

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Hey Mark, the Gel2 foot pots are indicated for greenwood cuttings so not sure if they’ll work for Cherimoya scions but it’s worth a try.

I’m downing a pint of Pliny the Younger so I’m surprised I can even type!

Salud and yummy!  Checked on that brew, man is it complex.

Well definately get my hands on Gel2Root, thanks Brad and Simon for the tip.  Also have clonex to play with.

Am caught between removing the swelling tip and leaving it be.  Some remove the tip so the focus is on root output.  Since the growth hormones, auxins, collect in the tip (apical dominance thingie) it makes sense.  Question is, "is there enough food reserves in the cutting to support new tissue growth?"

Air layering is pretty foolproof if you do it right.  Girdle and take off a 1/4" band of bark just below the pt. where you wrap in spaghnum moss and plastic.  Rooting compound helps too.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hoop house
« on: February 21, 2018, 12:05:42 PM »
If you run it non stop it will be so foggy you will not be able to see in there.  And you will have water on everything. Trust me on this you will need to get a humidistat to throttle it back. 

This is the one I use and it keeps the humidity at 40%

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01FQKXRXA/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1519155758&sr=1-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=humidistat&dpPl=1&dpID=41p3jLw61%2BL&ref=plSrch

Thanks for the link.  Yes, I'd put it on a stat.  BTW, Axeon recommends a poly-phosphate pre-filter especially if your water is high in Ca and Mg bicarbs.  It would extend the life of your R/O membranes.

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