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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help me choose new mango!
« on: August 06, 2015, 12:43:26 PM »
Quote from: Zarafet on June 19, 2015, 09:44:52 PM
The eBay seller I posted will begin shipping to California in July. They ship with the pot and don't clip three roots!!!! I cant wait!!! They even sell fruit punch mango!

http://m.ebay.com/itm/111698993552?NAV=HOME


I have ordered from this place a few times. Each time the tree was exactly what I thought I was purchasing. The 3 gal trees are smaller but the variety is correct. I have no doubt this is likely the real fruit punch mango tree.
Ugly Betty is extremely hard to beat for fruit taste and tree. Vigorous tree and fruit taste like a Kent Pickering cross. Tropical tasting with nice size attractive fruit and small seed. Currently it's #1 at our house out of over 30 different varieties.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Coconut cream in california
« on: July 30, 2015, 04:07:31 PM »
Unless you are worried about critters, don't bag the mango on the tree. The sun is what sweetens the fruit. The more sun the darker orange the flesh and the sweeter it gets. I have 3 trees and all of them smelled like coconut tanning oil before eating. All were SUPER sweet. Those who said coco cream was like a pickering X10 is right on flavor wise.  Even in AZ where the sun is brutal, the ones getting direct sun taste better than those underneath or shaded.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: "Total" mango tree nutrient care. Growscripts
« on: April 16, 2015, 07:57:31 PM »
Very happy to see this kind of kitting products together in order to take the pain out of having to figure it all out. As you can see by all of the areas addressed, it would not be a simple task to develop the level of understanding in order to put it all together. Took me several years and lots of money to arrive at very similar approach as this kit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: I really wanna hack my mango
« on: April 15, 2015, 07:17:38 PM »
Best to just start tying it up to shape the tree.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pairing up mango trees
« on: April 11, 2015, 02:05:56 AM »
Your going to end up cutting the carrie back because the sweet is so much more desirable.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 'Orange Sherbert' mango polyembryonic?
« on: April 10, 2015, 08:20:51 PM »
Quote from: bsbullie on April 10, 2015, 07:11:25 PM
Quote from: mangomaniac2 on April 10, 2015, 06:41:08 PM
Quote from: bsbullie on April 10, 2015, 06:48:24 AM
Quote from: mangomaniac2 on April 09, 2015, 07:48:35 PM
My source, who claims to be a nephew of Zill, says the Orange Sherbet trees are not ready yet. Hopefully in the fall. He was just there a little over a month ago, which means he saw them. Otherwise, the answer to when I can get one would have been "no" rather than "they are not ready yet".

Is Shamus your "source"?
Yes. Shamus is not his name though, just what he has put together for the business. Irregardless of whether or not he is really a zill nephew, his trees are HUGE, and cheaper than you can even buy a citrus tree here of same size. Brings 2 big trucks full from Fla. Twice in spring, and once in fall. All of them are always needed to be potted up, unless it's brand new variety. For instance, I bought Peach cobbler for $45, and is the size that I am sure TT is selling as 7 gal tree. Last year I did the reverse, ordered a 7gal spirit '76 from TT, and he came back with a bunch of them that were same size in 3 gal.

Shamus, or whatever his real name is is in no way related to the Zills.  You have repeatedly said he is.  If he is telling you he is, well, I would call that a lie.  With thst being said,  you know the problem with someone who would tell a complete fabrication like that...
I believe I mentioned "he says he is" a nephew, and in every case did not state as fact and even questioned myself. Go back and read closer. Furthermore, how do you know when you do not even know his real name? In any case, he must be close to them because they are grafting a variety of Avacado for which he is the originator, on large scale production. Doesn't really matter to me, he has the best tropical fruit tree selection within 1000 miles of Phoenix. That is what I care about. I can order anything I want and every time far exceeds my expectations.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 'Orange Sherbert' mango polyembryonic?
« on: April 10, 2015, 06:41:08 PM »
Quote from: bsbullie on April 10, 2015, 06:48:24 AM
Quote from: mangomaniac2 on April 09, 2015, 07:48:35 PM
My source, who claims to be a nephew of Zill, says the Orange Sherbet trees are not ready yet. Hopefully in the fall. He was just there a little over a month ago, which means he saw them. Otherwise, the answer to when I can get one would have been "no" rather than "they are not ready yet".

Is Shamus your "source"?
Yes. Shamus is not his name though, just what he has put together for the business. Irregardless of whether or not he is really a zill nephew, his trees are HUGE, and cheaper than you can even buy a citrus tree here of same size. Brings 2 big trucks full from Fla. Twice in spring, and once in fall. All of them are always needed to be potted up, unless it's brand new variety. For instance, I bought Peach cobbler for $45, and is the size that I am sure TT is selling as 7 gal tree. Last year I did the reverse, ordered a 7gal spirit '76 from TT, and he came back with a bunch of them that were same size in 3 gal.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 'Orange Sherbert' mango polyembryonic?
« on: April 10, 2015, 06:24:26 PM »
Quote from: fruit4me on April 10, 2015, 12:45:09 PM
Behl, I got the 7g tree from TopTrop for $67.96 plus additional 15% off entire ordering  for over $100. Im really happy with the size of the tree. This LZ should take off realy fast once it gets in the ground.
You definitely do not have LZ, I assure you of that. If anything, it is a PPK. Once you get a growth flush take a picture and post to shut up the "experts" once and for all in thinking it is a LZ.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 'Orange Sherbert' mango polyembryonic?
« on: April 10, 2015, 06:06:09 PM »
Quote from: bsbullie on April 10, 2015, 04:24:52 PM
Mature OS tree, leaves do not match Fruit4Me's tree.



Hate to tell you, but new growth on what TT is selling is not dark colored like the LZ. I am happy to see the big OS tree. The new growth on that is the same color as the flush on mine. Maybe there is an outside chance it's real. Tree shape also quite similar.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 'Orange Sherbert' mango polyembryonic?
« on: April 10, 2015, 03:57:32 PM »
Quote from: behlgarden on April 10, 2015, 03:42:52 PM
Hey you never know. My peach cobbler from TT might be OS  ???
The peach cobbler I have is growing in the shape of kent, not PPK. Sounds like the flavor we will get will be close to or better than OS. Really looking forward to trying the Peach Cobbler this fall. Heavy flowering and good fruit set so far.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 'Orange Sherbert' mango polyembryonic?
« on: April 10, 2015, 03:40:16 PM »
Quote from: fruit4me on April 09, 2015, 11:06:59 PM
I just received my OS today. It was on sale and I knew it was gonna be a bigger size tree. I needed another lemon zest anyways. If it's OS great, if turns out to be LZ, still great. What you guys think? Check out the leaves.





YEP! That is what mine looks like too, from same source.
You do not have a LZ there, you will see. The jury is still out as to exactly what it is.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 'Orange Sherbert' mango polyembryonic?
« on: April 10, 2015, 03:38:43 PM »
Quote from: bsbullie on April 09, 2015, 10:45:12 PM
Picture of developing  OS hanging on the tree.



Thanks Rob! Now i have something to compare my TT OS when it finally hold some fruit. From what I can tell so far, the TT OS is much more like a PPK. The growth flush is not dark red like LZ, it's much lighter color similar to my PPK. No fruit this year, same with my PPK. So far I would say the TT OS is either a PPK or maybe their own or someone else PPK. Definitely no LZ though, that is for sure.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 'Orange Sherbert' mango polyembryonic?
« on: April 09, 2015, 07:48:35 PM »
My source, who claims to be a nephew of Zill, says the Orange Sherbet trees are not ready yet. Hopefully in the fall. He was just there a little over a month ago, which means he saw them. Otherwise, the answer to when I can get one would have been "no" rather than "they are not ready yet".

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 08, 2015, 06:54:56 PM »
Quote from: jc on April 08, 2015, 05:42:35 PM
If MM2's Excalibur Maha is in a container then, MM2 should have included that factoid as well. Its not fair to the reader that is trying to make a decision as to what to buy and/or plant based on scanty info. Paint the whole picture accurately.

Quote from: JF on April 08, 2015, 04:38:18 PM
Quote from: mangomaniac2 on April 08, 2015, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: jc on April 08, 2015, 03:39:42 PM
Once again misinformation. My Excalibur Mahachanok puts out at least 4 flushes per year.

Quote from: mangomaniac2 on April 08, 2015, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: simon_grow on April 08, 2015, 03:26:29 PM
Pug, congrats on planting your Maha into the ground. My tree here in SoCal is growing so slowly I think I will graft some scions onto Manilla rootstock. Here's a picture of some small fruit from my in ground Maha. Please keep us updated.
Simon


If you want one that grows get a zill version. The excalibur version does nothing but fruit, no overall tree growth. SUPER SUPER slow grower, maybe one flush a year.


Misinformation would suggest that I am lying, and this is not true. There is plenty of data on the web to support my findings.
Not everyone lives in florida, and you may have just gotten lucky. Stop with the arrogance.
On a side note, it seems quite easy to grow tropicals in an area of high humidity and such high water table that it does not take much knowledge to be successful and may possibly inflate your ego, whereas most other areas are faced with more adversity which requires more knowledge and effort to be successful. Seems to me almost any idiot can grow a tropical in florida without much effort. This is not the case for the rest of the country, and for most of the rest of the world.


MM2
I had the same issue as you with my Excalibur while I had it in a container for 2 years once I put it on the ground last year I had 4 flush so your both right


JC, you may be onto something there, but I am comparing apples to apples since both of the maha are in identical containers. That is the point. They are not the same or nowhere near it as far as vigor. Actually, I have 3, 2 from zill and one from Excalibur, all in same size container and same type of soil, all getting the same amount of food and water. The difference is likely rootstock, but I will know more once I get fruit on the zill's maha.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 08, 2015, 06:49:00 PM »
Quote from: michsu on April 08, 2015, 06:01:34 PM
growing fruit is not a competition.. and it never will be for me.. I just grow it for my wife.. I don't care if others can get 500.. as long as I get 1 for her to try (something that she's never tried before), then it's worth it for me..
Great post! I totally agree. Seeing my wife and kids chomp down those sweet mangoes makes it all worth while and totally rewarding.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 08, 2015, 05:28:29 PM »
Quote from: michsu on April 08, 2015, 05:14:46 PM
Per my experience, I have many fruit trees in my yard  ;D , therefore, my yard hopefully has lots of fruits, per my experience..
Hopefully, and per my experience is rather contradictory. What is the point you are trying to make?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 08, 2015, 05:11:01 PM »
Quote from: jc on April 08, 2015, 04:52:43 PM
You're right, misinformation may not be the appropriate term. I don't think your statements are intentionally misleading.  I should edit my previous post to reflect the same.

However, implying that all Excalibar Mahachanoks don't grow is inaccurate information.  You repeatedly make exhaustive statements based on your limited experience in the Arizona desert. That causes others to think something must be wrong with Excalibur's MC.  If you refrain from exhaustive testimony and just report your experience in your yard, @$$h0L€$ like me wouldn't call you out.

My Excalibur's MC grows just fine in my yard, several flushes per year. Not my fastest growing not my slowest, probably right in the middle.

The "in my yard" caveat helps the novice undrestand that it is an observation or experience that is exclusive to that individual, not a hard and fast guarante or rule.

I think Patrick has an Excalibur MC too that has grown exceptionally well too.


There are lots of posts on these board of people outside of Florida who have same experience as I, which is why I am writing in that way. If there was not so many posts of this issue, I would have referred to "my experience".

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 08, 2015, 04:57:55 PM »
Quote from: Cookie Monster on April 08, 2015, 04:33:33 PM
I have a bit of a "hybrid" theory --

Pointing out what one believes to be misinformation is great, as it helps increase the level of accuracy (think wikipedia). However, a tactful approach to pointing out misinformation does a lot to help folks feel comfortable -- which I think we can all agree is a goal as important as disseminating accurate information.

And, I'm not pointing fingers here, as I can be abrasive on occasion. (I've put in some effort into re-reading my own posts from the point of perspective of the intended recipient.) I'm just suggesting that we do our best to make sure our posts are an accurate reflection of the way relate to others.
Pointing out posts as misinformation is an insult to people's intelligence. This suggests that people cannot decide on their own what is right or wrong, or that one poster is superior to others. The proper way would be..."from my experience....." 
It is not right to attack people's posts on the board, but rather try to persuade your position on a specific topic. I realize there is a broad spectrum of intelligence on this board, but cmon, have some respect to others if you cannot persuade in an intellectual manor.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 08, 2015, 03:56:59 PM »
Quote from: jc on April 08, 2015, 03:39:42 PM
Once again misinformation. My Excalibur Mahachanok puts out at least 4 flushes per year.

Quote from: mangomaniac2 on April 08, 2015, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: simon_grow on April 08, 2015, 03:26:29 PM
Pug, congrats on planting your Maha into the ground. My tree here in SoCal is growing so slowly I think I will graft some scions onto Manilla rootstock. Here's a picture of some small fruit from my in ground Maha. Please keep us updated.
Simon


If you want one that grows get a zill version. The excalibur version does nothing but fruit, no overall tree growth. SUPER SUPER slow grower, maybe one flush a year.


Misinformation would suggest that I am lying, and this is not true. There is plenty of data on the web to support my findings.
Not everyone lives in florida, and you may have just gotten lucky. Stop with the arrogance.
On a side note, it seems quite easy to grow tropicals in an area of high humidity and such high water table that it does not take much knowledge to be successful and may possibly inflate your ego, whereas most other areas are faced with more adversity which requires more knowledge and effort to be successful. Seems to me almost any idiot can grow a tropical in florida without much effort. This is not the case for the rest of the country, and for most of the rest of the world.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 08, 2015, 03:32:52 PM »
Quote from: simon_grow on April 08, 2015, 03:26:29 PM
Pug, congrats on planting your Maha into the ground. My tree here in SoCal is growing so slowly I think I will graft some scions onto Manilla rootstock. Here's a picture of some small fruit from my in ground Maha. Please keep us updated.
Simon


If you want one that grows get a zill version. The excalibur version does nothing but fruit, no overall tree growth. SUPER SUPER slow grower, maybe one flush a year.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 08, 2015, 03:30:36 PM »
Bottom line is there is no perfect way to care for tropicals. What works for some does not necessarily apply to everyone. Gardening can be a form of Art for which everyone has their own approach to what works. Some members think they know everything and that few or anyone else knows anything. This is arrogance at it's worst. This is suppose to be a forum of collective knowledge and experiences. There are plenty of people on the forum who know as much as ones who dominate posts with their arrogance. This arrogance is better served on a personal blog, not a forum.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 08, 2015, 03:17:01 PM »
I totally agree with LivingParadise as well. Great post.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Where can I buy Iron sequestrene 138?
« on: April 03, 2015, 02:02:24 PM »
fertilome liquid iron and magnesium is better. I still have almost my whole package of sequestrene still because I compared the two and never used the sequestrene ever again. Just my experience, may not necessarily be same results for everyone.
If you use the right slow release fertilizer you do not ever have to worry about how green the plant is. I use nutricote 13-13-13 180 day release, sold in big box stores under brand name Dynamite. Add recommended dosage of that and in about 3 weeks that baby is dark green, and stays that way, even with our super high ph soil and water here in AZ.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 01, 2015, 07:44:32 PM »
Quote from: murahilin on March 31, 2015, 09:33:44 PM
Quote from: mangomaniac2 on March 31, 2015, 07:24:36 PM
There is a difference between zills and excalibur because I own both of them and can see the difference. Sorry Rob, you are not always right. Most times you are right, but sometimes you may not know for sure but write as if you do.

The Mahachanok that Zill's propagates is from Excalibur if I remember correctly. The difference you are referring to is likely due to rootstock differences.

With that being said, there are possibly multiple Mahachanok clones due to different introduction times and sources from Thailand but the Zills, Excalibur, and TopTropicals are all the same.
Thanks! That is great news! I never knew the origin of zills, so I am glad that when this big one fruits it should be same as my older one from excalibur, that fruit is excellent and super productive.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: March 31, 2015, 08:48:43 PM »
Quote from: bsbullie on March 31, 2015, 08:03:14 PM
Quote from: mangomaniac2 on March 31, 2015, 07:24:36 PM
There is a difference between zills and excalibur because I own both of them and can see the difference. Sorry Rob, you are not always right. Most times you are right, but sometimes you may not know for sure but write as if you do.

Why dont you ask both Gary Zill and Richard Wilson where Gary got his original Mahachanok from (that would also imply you know both of them which i am pretty sure i know the answer).  That would also assume and imply they would even give you the time of day with your questions.   You dont have to believe me as i can see you clearly know more but in case you are interested, it came from Richard.  You dont always know what you are talking about.   

I have two Mahachanok that are the same age, both from Excalibur,  and they have two distinct different growth habits.  As i said above, rootstock can make a huge difference.
Quote from: bsbullie on March 31, 2015, 08:03:14 PM
Quote from: mangomaniac2 on March 31, 2015, 07:24:36 PM
There is a difference between zills and excalibur because I own both of them and can see the difference. Sorry Rob, you are not always right. Most times you are right, but sometimes you may not know for sure but write as if you do.

Why dont you ask both Gary Zill and Richard Wilson where Gary got his original Mahachanok from (that would also imply you know both of them which i am pretty sure i know the answer).  That would also assume and imply they would even give you the time of day with your questions.   You dont have to believe me as i can see you clearly know more but in case you are interested, it came from Richard.  You dont always know what you are talking about.   

I have two Mahachanok that are the same age, both from Excalibur,  and they have two distinct different growth habits.  As i said above, rootstock can make a huge difference.
I think may be rootstock that is the difference I was eluding to but cannot say for sure as I have not had the fruit from zill's yet. Based on other's posts here though, it's obvious there are multiple maha around, just as I suspected.

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