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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: March 31, 2015, 08:25:06 PM »
Quote from: bsbullie on March 31, 2015, 08:05:35 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on March 31, 2015, 07:04:23 PM
The original article is not online anymore, but here is the excerpt that I had harvested way back when. Apparently the thai have multiple clones of their popular cultivars.

"Among the well-known off-season mangoes are 'Sam Ruedu' (a cultivar that bears off-season fruits) and 'Nam Dok Mai' Thawai #4, 'Phimsen Man' Thawai, 'Ok Rong' Thawai, 'Man Duean Kao Thawai' and 'Chok Anan Thawai', all of which are clones of normal-bearing mangoes"

I understand and agree with what you said however i have never seen any publication stating or even hinting there are different sub-cultivars of Mahachanok.
So what is maha-65? That is likely a maha variant.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: March 31, 2015, 07:24:36 PM »
There is a difference between zills and excalibur because I own both of them and can see the difference. Sorry Rob, you are not always right. Most times you are right, but sometimes you may not know for sure but write as if you do.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Two Mango in one hole ?.
« on: March 31, 2015, 07:20:01 PM »
do research to find out growth rate first. maybe keep in pot or something until then. To make simple, the pakistani is going to be much better than graham.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: March 30, 2015, 10:07:23 PM »
Quote from: sapote on March 27, 2015, 07:20:13 PM
Pug,

Your Maha looks great. Do the brands that carried last year fruit have new flower or new growth? My Maha had 2 fruits last year and those brands have not had any new buds at all – just the old leaves. The main trunk below those brands did send out new shoots with tons of flowers but I don’t want fruits this year. Dear God, give me new mango growth, not fruits  ;D

Sapote
Do you have excalibur version of Maha, or Zill version? This will make a significant difference as to what you can expect. Excalibur's version is VERY slow growing but sets loads of awesome fruit. Zills version is pretty vigorous. I have not had the fruit from the zill version yet.  The taste of the ones off my excalibur version are super sweet with dark orange flesh with no resinous flavor and very little fiber.
I have gotten 1 growth flush in over 2 years, it just keeps flowering and setting loads of fruit. I suppose I could pick up the watering schedule a bit :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pairing up mango trees
« on: March 30, 2015, 09:58:37 AM »
Quote from: fruit4me on March 30, 2015, 02:29:12 AM
I have to plant 2 treees in one hole. Need help pairing these up. Which two cultivars would go good together for planting in one hole?
Here's my list.

Mallika
Carrie
Peach cobbler
Juicy peach
Mahachanok
Sweet tart
Lemon Zest
Ugly betty

Also, maybe a suggestion for a 3in1 planting style.
Peach cobbler and Mallika....both upright growers of similar growth rate
Sweet tart and Carrie....both medium sized, somewhat compact spreading growth
Lemon zest and ugly betty likely too vigorous to be shared in same hole.
Juicy peach is tommy atkins seedling, don't bother
Maha Chanok could be paired with mallika, both upright with similar growth.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anti-fungal foliar spray timing for mango blooms
« on: March 29, 2015, 11:02:08 AM »
Here is my experience so far in the desert. Although I have really figured out how to keep the mango trees healthy and growing, I still have several seasons before I can figure out the most efficient way to set fruit and the causes for failure in setting fruit. So far this year I am getting pretty good fruit set as far as "little ones" but yet to know what will remain until harvest. This year is much more successful than last year thus far.
1. I spray organicide once a week to 10 days with additive of spreader/sticker. When it's cool I use neem oil to help with sticking and fungus, when it's hot I use a regular spreader/sticker. Every second or third spray I will use liqui-cop fungicide for variance and increased protection. So far powdery mildew is still present in a few areas on mango blooms.
2. Is there a temperature where mango blooms seem to be unhappy? I am noticing temps over 85 degrees or slightly above really starts to dry out mango blossoms quickly even though plant watering is sufficient. Very confusing because pickering and carrie have no issues setting fruit in direct sun even in the 90's, while coco cream and edward like more shade to set fruit when the heat picks up.
3. How much of all the effort is boiled down to however precocious the variety is? Some seems to set fruit by bucket loads without any problems, while some barely do even with special care.

I am eager to try and perfect the art of fruit set. I am also fairly impatient, so hopefully I can figure out best way in short amount of growing seasons.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango transplanting advice?
« on: March 24, 2015, 02:17:05 PM »
Excalibur version of Maha Chanok will grow very slow but very good producer. Zill's version is vigorous grower. Have not had zill version long enough to see it flower yet, but it's a huge 7 gal at 8 feet tall and lots of branching. Totally different than Excalibur version that I have. I suspect the rootstock has a lot to do with it, but may be a different version all together. I am sure Rob can chime in on the difference there. You may want to pull the Excalibur version and put in a zill version that will grow large.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone have any experience buying Mango trees on EBAY?
« on: March 23, 2015, 03:39:39 PM »
Quote from: bsbullie on March 23, 2015, 12:02:58 PM
Quote from: michsu on March 23, 2015, 11:37:34 AM
so pineapple pleasure is not that great?  :o oh well, I'll have a few new plants to deal with this time so I can't worry about that..  ;D

Do not look for instant rewards from a 3 or 7 gal plant and do not judge them after being in the ground for only 2-4 years.  Its just not sufficient time for most varieties.  Also, the fruit quality from most young mangoes is subpar and not representative of the variety.
I disagree, if the fruit sucks after 4 years in ground, the tree is not ever going to get much better fruit, especially if starting with 7 gal tree. Also, fruit quality should be good from a grafted tree if there are sufficient roots to hold fruit. Perhaps may be a bit bland at first from a 3 gal tree, but a 7 gal that is in then ground for 2 years...oh yeah, if the fruit sucks, it's not going to get significantly better.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cold hardy mango trials
« on: March 22, 2015, 02:32:43 PM »
Quote from: ClayMango on March 22, 2015, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: mangomaniac2 on March 22, 2015, 12:31:53 PM
I doubt these mango trees are any different than much of the other varieties, perhaps with maybe a bit more "cold hardy" gene to them from more cold hearty varieties, but nothing that is going to guarantee you no frost sensitivity. To me, it seems most mangoes are "cold hardy" as long as there is frost protection and contain the optimal nutrients. Nothing special here IMHO. Stick with Zill varieties, you will be glad you did.

I have  a feeling these mangoes are on Par with a Tommy Atkins in Flavor.
Totally agree, although there may be one or two varieties in the bunch that reach average quality, I doubt you will discover top tier flavor.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cold hardy mango trials
« on: March 22, 2015, 12:31:53 PM »
I doubt these mango trees are any different than much of the other varieties, perhaps with maybe a bit more "cold hardy" gene to them from more cold hearty varieties, but nothing that is going to guarantee you no frost sensitivity. To me, it seems most mangoes are "cold hardy" as long as there is frost protection and contain the optimal nutrients. Nothing special here IMHO. Stick with Zill varieties, you will be glad you did.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone have any experience buying Mango trees on EBAY?
« on: March 22, 2015, 02:10:23 AM »
every one I have ordered online has been tiny, I mean real tiny, as in "the graft has just taken"
Would rather get from Top Trop as you can tell by shipping charge how big the tree is, for 3 gal.
Trop treasure on ebay takes forever to respond, like days or weeks.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Another bad experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« on: March 12, 2015, 07:43:26 PM »
I agree with Clay. I have ordered at least a dozen or so mango trees from Top Tropicals and most have been healthy, some smaller than anticipated, some larger than anticipated. The one that arrived unhealthy they replaced without issues. Still waiting to harvest fruit to verify all of the varieties I bought, but I would still purchase mango trees from them without question. I have learned though, that it is better to stick with 7 gal size because 3 gal can vary so much, and when you get a really small one it does take so long to get to any substantial size. Definitely worth the extra 50 or 60 bucks for 7 gal to save the years of waiting, and chance of survival goes up greatly as well.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Suggestions of varieties to topwork a graham mango to?
« on: March 11, 2015, 10:43:31 PM »
sweet tart

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: JAK/77
« on: March 10, 2015, 12:09:16 AM »
It's from Zill. Came from there week from last.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / JAK/77
« on: March 09, 2015, 11:57:59 PM »
I saw a little tiny mango tree with tag of JAK/77. Anyone have a guess as to what this is?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Indoor Potted Key Lime Tree Help
« on: March 09, 2015, 10:02:46 PM »
scratch the base to see if there is any green. If still green then still alive.
If still alive, locate in hottest sunniest location you can find.
It is natural for citrus to turn yellow leaves or shed several during dormant winter times.
Pick up some seaweed or kelp extract and start treating as recommended. Make sure to let dry out before watering, and then when watering let soak for a while to "drink up" the water.
The best fertilizer I found for citrus is a 13-13-13 slow release fertilizer called dynamite, sold at home depot and lowes. Takes about 3 weeks to start really working. Use the seaweed until then will wake things up quickly.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Need some advise on a mango tree
« on: March 07, 2015, 10:18:19 AM »
Some mangoes do have hints of citrus and coconut.  If you are looking for small tree then some are better than others at managing space. Ultimately you can trim most any mango tree to be small if putting in the ground. Container growing is more specific and not all are suited for this type of lifestyle.  Here are a couple ideas for each type:
In ground - Coconut cream, lemon zest, sweet tart
Container - Pickering, Angie, Venus


-Craig

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Foliar Spray absorption rates: Night time vs. Daytime
« on: March 05, 2015, 10:16:10 PM »
Quote from: Mr. Clean on March 05, 2015, 10:07:08 PM
Does anyone know whether foliar sprays are better absorbed during the day or at night?  Or does it have a negligible effect?
I believe foliar spray products recommend late afternoon/evening, or early morning application. I would think evening is better because then you have less evaporation and increased contact time for plant to absorb nutrients.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tipping mango tree -_- flowering.
« on: March 05, 2015, 12:29:30 AM »
The benefit is more tree growth over putting its energy into holding fruit. Skipping a year and allowing the tree to grow larger increases ovrall yield and appearance of the tree.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Extreme Pugging for CC Mango - Too much?
« on: March 04, 2015, 08:30:14 PM »
Hate to tell you, but this tree is a horizontal grower. Well, more of a willow tree like growth. You may want to consider starting over with another younger plant because the end results will likely be quicker that way. Of course you could always put a trellis up.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tipping mango tree -_- flowering.
« on: March 04, 2015, 03:49:47 PM »
Quote from: ivan79 on March 04, 2015, 02:13:55 PM
Thank you, I just found it so awkward seeing the flowering below the leaves, I always see the leaves first then the bud on top where the flower comes out not the other way around  ???
From my experience you get combination of just flowers on some branches, and some with both leaves and flowers, in no real particular arrangement. it seems quite random from branch to branch.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: venus mango
« on: March 04, 2015, 03:37:00 PM »
Quote from: MangoFang on March 04, 2015, 01:41:53 PM
Mr. Maniac - I've actually managed to graft a scion sent to me by a generous Florida mango
crazy man onto a Manila Rootstock this last year. It's currently in a pot, but it's going in the
ground in the next few days...It's very small - 10 inches tall at this point, but now I'm excited
to see how it does in our toasty dry desert climate!  This will be the smallest mango I've ever
planted....and also glad to hear it grows bushy - any comments on its growth vigor?

I'll post a picture in a bit...

Gary
I would be curious...how did you do your graft? I made one attempt last year that did not take, but did manage to show positive signs for quite a long time. I thought it may be just too dry here to get them to take. I am glad to see there is some hope as I have way too many trees but would still like to keep collecting more varieties.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tipping mango tree -_- flowering.
« on: March 04, 2015, 01:41:04 PM »
Great looking tree.
The flowering is normal this time of year. You will want to make sure and tip after fruit harvest so that you get some growth before the flowering period of the year.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: venus mango
« on: March 04, 2015, 12:52:57 PM »
Rats! was hoping it was something I would not want. Huge fan of zinc so now I must pick this one up.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / venus mango
« on: March 04, 2015, 09:47:21 AM »
Came across this mango tree the other day....a Venus Mango. Looks to be fairly bushy somewhat compact grower.
What is the parentage of this variety and what is the flavor?

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