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i have one i bought from jene's tropicals in st pete last spring as a grafted 3 gallon plant.  i planted it in the ground in my greenhouse, and it was unremarkable through 2013 and early 2014.  it put on a very few blossoms in early spring, but no fruit set.  then it began a vigorous growth flush mid april, which continues to the present.
the most remarkable trait it has is its weeping growth habit - almost serpentine!   the descriptions i have seen describe it as upright.  maybe i got a mis-labelled plant?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help Identifying My Mango Tree!
« on: May 24, 2014, 06:29:42 PM »
shape looks like a cac.  if it ripens yellowish and has a polyembronic seed  ...maybe?

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solar is free

if you have enough space between the plants in the greenhouse, put large black plastic barrels full of water there.  they will heat up in the day and give off heat at night.  a thermostatically controlled heating system is a good idea.  "cadet freeze buster" is a cheap thermostat that turns on at 35 degrees (f) / about 2 degrees (c). the solar barrels may not provide enough heat, but they will make your electric heaters run less, and save costs.

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I am thinking about making a home in my yard for the solitary bees.  I know at Fairchild, they use blocks of wood with holes drilled in.  Are there any other tricks to attract them beside making the structure for them?  Thanks!

i have seen people get bundles of plastic drinking straws and tie them together with rubber bands.  these bundles are placed in out of the way spots - under the eaves, etc.  i think the diameter of the holes is important, but doesn't have to be precise.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / guava fruit fly - northern extent?
« on: April 11, 2014, 02:10:39 PM »
i just got a ruby supreme guava tree.  i wonder if i'll have to bag the guavas.

i've been checking on the web and i can't find any info on the range of the caribbean fruit fly.  the only data i can find says it's a problem in south and central florida.  can anybody give me any guidance on how far north "central" florida extends in this case?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Large Tree Containers
« on: April 06, 2014, 05:27:37 PM »
i use 55 gallon plastic barrels cut in half.  they're easy to cut with a "skillsaw."  the result is like the white one above.  the material they're made of is industrial strength - tough.  they are quite heavy depending on the potting mixture or soil.  i use a hand - truck to move them around (as little as possible).  they're tough enough for that.  i wouldn't want to try that with some of the black plastic pots i've seen at the garden store.

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maybe raising tropical fruit here in zone 8b will become common rather than the exception.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / angie mangos at walmart?
« on: March 24, 2014, 12:11:37 PM »
i picked up a "santa angela" (peru) mango from the produce section of walmart last week.  today, it ripened, and was excellent.  i tried to find it on the web, but there wasn't anything.  i noticed mentions of "angie" mango, and the description matches very closely. 
then, i checked to find if anybody was selling "angie" trees.  no luck, it's apparently a new variety and not yet widely available.  too bad!  there's always next year.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Garden happenings
« on: March 23, 2014, 03:22:56 PM »
kool!  let us know how the bitter melon and roma turn out.

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trees have an amazing capacity to heal themselves. 

a few months ago, as i was finishing construction on my greenhouse, i dropped a piece of 2x6 (part of the scaffolding for putting the roof on) on the base of my neelam mango.  it scraped a vertical strip of bark off for about four inches from the trunk.  the wound extended to ground level.

this neelam was holding one (1) mango which turned out to be my entire 2013 mango crop.  today, the wound has formed "callus" around the edges, but the dry surface of the wood is still visible.  it is putting on numerous blossom buds, and several leaf flushes.  apparently, it is surviving.

just in case, when i get some seedlings up to the proper size, i plan on grafting a couple of spare neelams.  neelam has a well deserved reputation for being delicious.  since my grafting skills are rudimentary, maybe i should graft a half dozen or so.   ;)

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Pryor/Fantastic Avocado
« on: March 19, 2014, 10:34:19 PM »
hopkins nursery in immokalee is producing "fantastic" avocados grafted in 3 gal pots.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: first avocado flower!
« on: March 05, 2014, 11:05:15 PM »
carlos,

the poncho has open male flowers on it in the mornings.  this means it's a "b" flower type, no?  subject to uncertainties  due to cool/cold weather and its destabilizing effect on flowering patterns i have the following currently in bloom.  three a types, two b types:

mexicola  type - a  began blooming 1-10-14
joey  type - a   began blooming 1-21-14
brazos belle (aka wilma) type - a  began blooming  2-20-14
poncho type - b  began blooming 2-15-14
fantastic (aka pryor) type - b   in bloom when purchased 2-15-14

not yet:

wurtz dwarf - pushing blossom buds
winter mexican - pushing buds.  possibly all vegetative
cairo still too young/small, just coming out of dormancy
gainesville  very young/small dormant.

3-5-14 winter mexican developing one small panicle of blossom buds.  lots of vegetative buds opening, many more buds too small to see if they're blossoms or leaves.  (some of each?)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: tropical horticulture
« on: February 28, 2014, 11:20:29 PM »
there are several legumes which are perennial. notably pigeon peas (gandules).  high in protien, easy to store, low labor crop, provides nitrogen to the soil.  can be raised on marginal soil - actually improves it.  does well under semi - arid conditions, needs little/no fertilizing.  not really permaculture, each plant is only productive for about five years.  ...but they re-seed themselves .

http://www.tropicalpermaculture.com/pigeon-pea.html

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / joey avocado - tree or bush?
« on: February 28, 2014, 11:43:05 AM »
my joey avocado is behaving strangely.  i bought it last may from top tropicals in ft. myers as a 3 gallon grafted tree, and put it in the ground memorial day weekend.   it has been closely observed, because it is right in front of a bench i like to sit on.
it is presently in bloom, but only modestly.  it is about three and a half  feet tall - considerably shorter than several other plants i put in the ground at about the same time.  it has one main stem and two fairly large branches that originate just above the graft union.  no major branching above that.
in the last few days, i have noticed it putting on a lot of vegetative buds both on the main stem and also on the two main branches - all within about eight or ten inches of ground level.  several of them (the lowest) show strong growth (a quarter inch a day) and look like the start of fair sized branches. 
in the tops (main stem and two branches) there is some vegetative growth, but it seems much less vigorous than that which is happening down at ankle level.

if this keeps up, my joey may become a bush rather than a tree.  that's o.k. with me, it's in a greenhouse, and there's only about 12 feet of headroom in its location.  a 10 foot  bush rather than a tree would mean less pruning work for me.  what's not to like?

does anyone else have experience with joey?  is this a common growth habit with this variety?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: first avocado flower!
« on: February 27, 2014, 11:46:27 PM »
mark,

nothing recent in my message inbox  not sure what's the glitch.  i even logged out and then back in.  still nada.

shift to email?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: first avocado flower!
« on: February 27, 2014, 01:12:36 PM »
mark,
you have mail

edit:  not showing up in my "sent items" file.

pls shoot me an email

treefrog
@
nettally
dotcom

thanks

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: first avocado flower!
« on: February 27, 2014, 10:00:31 AM »
hi mark,

it's a 24'x30' wood frame greenhouse with corrugated plastic sheathing.  a little more than 16' headroom where it abuts the porchrail on my second storey porch.  10' headroom on the low side.

ingress and egress for pollinators is:

5'x6'6" greenhouse door

3'x6'6" vent onto downstairs porch (the porch is open to the air - not screened)

3'x 12' vent onto upper porch (also open)

these are left open as a default.  closed only when a coldness event is anticipated.  i was worried about open doors and squirrels, but at the local feed store the clerk told me pecan growers use rat poison.  he sold me some, and it worked like a charm.

i noticed a few days ago that the local bees were working my neighbor's ornamental flowering cherry and neglecting my avos that were blooming.  i smeared a little cheap clover honey on the doorjambs.  it took the bees about an hour to find the honey.  as soon as they cleaned it up, most of them went back to the cherry, but about a half dozen started working the avos.

here's a pic of the greenhouse under construction last fall.  it's really a pic my son took of me welding up a deerstand for him, but the greemhouse is in the background.  click on it and the pic gets bigger.


the lowest temps we've seen here so far this year were 23 and 24.  i wish i had a recording thermometer, the local weather reports are put out by some loons.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / any botany majors out there?
« on: February 26, 2014, 03:41:32 PM »
i have just had a strange idea. 

would it be possible to graft avocado scion wood onto a rootstock of close relatives in the laurel family (cinnamon? sassafras? camphor? bay laurel? etc.)?

this might be a work-around for the problem of laurel wiltif any other of these laurels are resistant.

it might give avocados new, strange flavors.  cinnamon? :)  camphor? :-[  sassafras?  ???

it might also give much more frost tolerant rootstock.  camphor and sassafras both grow up into the carolinas.

File:Male and Female Sassafras Flowers.jpg

oops, image didn't load.  here's a link to images of sassafras.  includes several images of flowers:

https://www.google.com/search?q=sassafras&client=firefox-a&hs=lW7&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=AlAOU_WwBaPfsATw_4LYAw&ved=0CDYQsAQ&biw=939&bih=545#imgdii=_

quite a family resemblance, no?

any botany geeks that know more than i do about it (which is not very much)? 



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First Mango Blooms of 2013-2014 Season
« on: February 26, 2014, 01:54:58 PM »
@zands
maha chanok, neelam, cogshall, and lancetilla are in the ground in the greenhouse (actually, the greenhouse was built around them).  mallika is still in a 20 gallon pot, and i'm thinking about just cutting a few two inch holes in the pot and planting the whole thing. 

i'm still at a loss to explain why the two late season varieties are ahead of the others in blossom activity.  the others are in the same greenhouse with the same conditions.

p.s. tallahassee isn't in jefferson county.  it's over in the people's republic of leon county.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: first avocado flower!
« on: February 26, 2014, 12:37:44 PM »
carlos,

the poncho has open male flowers on it in the mornings.  this means it's a "b" flower type, no?  subject to uncertainties  due to cool/cold weather and its destabilizing effect on flowering patterns i have the following currently in bloom.  three a types, two b types:

mexicola  type - a  began blooming 1-10-14
joey  type - a   began blooming 1-21-14
brazos belle (aka wilma) type - a  began blooming  2-20-14
poncho type - b  began blooming 2-15-14
fantastic (aka pryor) type - b   in bloom when purchased 2-15-14

not yet:

wurtz dwarf - pushing blossom buds
winter mexican - pushing buds.  possibly all vegetative
cairo still too young/small, just coming out of dormancy
gainesville  very young/small dormant.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First Mango Blooms of 2013-2014 Season
« on: February 26, 2014, 11:58:48 AM »
my neelam mango is also pushing blossom buds.  now i have my two late season mangos leading the pack in terms of early blooming.  (wtf?)  i have no idea what this indicates.  two blossomings this year - one early and one late?  my mangos are confused by being in a greenhouse waaaay north of where mangos are common?  other?  (?)
i guess i'll just have to wait and see.
my neelam gave me one (1) mango last fall.  this is a recently begun project, and all my trees are fairly young.  that one neelam was my entire 2013 mango crop.  it was delicious.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First Mango Blooms of 2013-2014 Season
« on: February 25, 2014, 11:35:29 PM »
first mango blossom buds forming in the greenhouse.  lancetilla.  more buds pushing, but none  identifiable as blossoms - yet.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nam Doc Mai fruit splitting?
« on: February 22, 2014, 12:14:36 PM »
zands - "Do you personally use such quick release fertilizers? Very nice where you are located. Some clay content in your soil. I was in Gadsden county a few times. Very poor place. Also Monticello and Tallahassee"

yes, the fertilizers are quick release.  that's why i like light applications, more often.  it works well in a greenhouse, but it might be hard to do in field conditions.  no, there is no clay content anywhere near the surface.  i have some at about 8 ft.  good draining sandy loam above that.  waaaaay better soil than anything i've ever seen in south florida.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nam Doc Mai fruit splitting?
« on: February 21, 2014, 10:37:33 PM »
5-10-15 is a standard mix at feed stores in areas that raise soybeans. 
lo in nitrogen, hi in potash.  cheep, readily available.

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