Quote from: Squam256 on January 21, 2018, 08:42:11 PM

Quote from: TnTrobbie on January 21, 2018, 08:07:06 PM

I guess well see in 3-4years when they bear fruit. For the record, I ordered 3 trees from this vendor (Anwar, Sindhri, and Langra). When I got them, the Langra was consistent with the mature tree I had at another location. And the others didn't remind me of any cv. I'm familiar with- even Julie. I looked really hard. The grafts looked really clean though- like big nursery operation clean. Oh well...

I bought from him before Thanksgiving. Now I see he has sellling Banganapalle and Chaunsa. amd using the same "mature tree" photo for both cvs.

The grafts look clean because they’re T-buds. Guess who wholesells T-budded 1 gallon mangos....

Squam,

Have you had any opportunity to speak with that wholesaler?  I'd really like to know what I've got planted in my yard.

Tomorrow if I have the time.

This is unfortunate I was recommended this seller as legit.
Behl is correct I’ve seen pix of the real sonpari and the leaves tell the story

Let’s see photos of the leaves then.

There are several variations of Nam Docmai; many "Turpentines; many "Haden" (seedlings of 'Haden' called the real thing);  et cetera.

Just because a grower in India identifies a tree as a particular named variety does not automatically
mean that other growers all across India will necessarily agree with that identification.

I recall a lecture where Dr. Richard Campbell, responding to a question about 'Maha Chanok', answered, "Which one?!  I have THREE DIFFERENT "Maha Chanoks"."

IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO ALLEGE ANY RECENT MISBEHAVIOR OR CONFUSION as the source of such differences, as in fact, many regional variants of plant materials, independent origins of same names, adoption of attractive names heard from elsewhere, seedling propagation under variety names, and so on, have been going on for generations.

If you bought grafted Nam Doc Mai trees from Zill HP Plants, then resold them to people as “”Langra” Mango from India, would you or would you not be committing fraud?

Because that’s what this eBay guy appears to be doing.

I’d say there’s a pretty big difference between that, and a nursery being provided budwood of a mislabeled variety from the Department of Agiriculture and propagating it under that name. The latter is an innocent mistake, but the former is not.

Quote from: Squam256 on January 20, 2018, 10:03:48 AM

When asked for a photo of his “Banganpalli”, he supplied this:


This is clearly NOT Banganpalli. This is what Banganapalli looks like. Different, flatter leaf type and very thin stems:

I noticed the house in the background does not look like a typical house/farm in india.

This seller is located in Florida . But the tree clearly isn’t what he claims it to be.

When asked for a photo of his “Banganpalli”, he supplied this:


This is clearly NOT Banganpalli. This is what Banganapalli looks like. Different, flatter leaf type and very thin stems:

Puck. No wonder my "Langra" in 9B flowered so early being barely 2ft tall. It's a frickin Julie. I too bought from Guavaking on ebay. I have a Langra inground since 2014 from Zill (Fairchild extras 2013-2014) at 10B that I got fruit from already. I thought the leaves looked the same. ......Crap.

That Fairchild-extra would be “Langra Benarasi” which isn’t the yellow/green, oblong shaped Langra as known in India and Pakistan.

I did purchase it on eBay about a year ago.  Now I'm worried.  Do you have a specific vendor name?

GuavaKing I believe . Ormond Beach. Selling 1 gallon trees from Zill as rare Indian varieties.

Check out what fell out of our “Langra” pot we got from him:




Not coincidentally the leaves looked like NDM #4 as well. I suspect the “Anwar Rataul “ we were sent is actually a Julie. Also a Banganpalli we got through him is clearly not a Banganapalli because it lacks the flat pointed leaves and thin stem.

Very interesting. 

Are both of these naming issues a result of the same original sourcing?  I'm assuming that both of these varieties were sourced from the USDA's or Fairchild's collections......

I don’t know what Langra Benarasi really is but it was likely brought in by the USDA (as was Himsagar).

Sonpari, as I mentioned above, appears to be the real thing. I believe that was introduced to Florida by Gary Zill

Quote from: Squam256 on January 16, 2018, 08:53:42 PM

Quote from: Future on January 16, 2018, 07:34:48 PM

Thanks for posting.  For us travelling from overseas, that is a significant date shift.

Get ready for Future's 8th Florida Fruit Feast....and First in Malaysia...

And this will be an “early” season too most likely, so that Festival weekend might be too late for a lot of stuff

Better too late than too early. They can put ripe mangoes in a refrigerated trailer out back then haul them out for the masses on July 14th. To Future- you are right on the date. It always landed on the 9th to12th of July. But Fairchild needs a weekend and this is how it turned out. The alternative of July 6-8th was was too early

 For us travelling from overseas, that is a significant date shift.
indeed! Latest I have seen.

It was actually July 1st and 2nd last year.

It looks like Him Sagar is from the Eastern side of India, and not as far north as Pakistan.  But Pakistan was still divided in '61 so it might have been collected in East Pakistan (Bangladesh). 

I just love a good mystery :-)

Initially I thought it might be from pre-Bangladesh East Pakistan But according to the accession info it was sent from Lahore. I bet it’s some random Pakistani mango.

Recently I met a tree buying customer named Golam who had travelled across India trying different Mangos. He informed me that the Himsagar in Florida was not the same as the Himsagar in India, where it is extremely popular.

I had tried the Florida “Himsagar” before, and found it to be an excellent fruit. But Golam described Himsagar as a large round shaped fruit. The supposed imposter grafted in Florida was an oblong/enlongated mango.

Upon examining these photos from India referencing Himsagar online and comparing them to display photos from the various Mango events in south Florida, I’ve come to the conclusion that the Florida Himsagar contained in the collections of the USDA and Fairchild is indeed a mislabeled variety.




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Thanks for the information! I wonder if this other Turpentine rootstock will grow any better than the other Turpentine rootstock that the Florida Nurseries have been using? The Puerto Rican Turpentine rootstock that Leo Manuel uses on some of his trees are excellent growers and extremely heavy producers on that rootstock. Leo Manuel’s Todos Santos is on PR Turpentine rootstock and that tree is loaded with fruits and does not show any signs of disease although the grafted variety(Todos Santos) has a lot to do with it.

Simon

The overwhelming majority of mangos that come out of Florida are Zill nursery trees grafted to turpentine from Costa Rica. Been that way for a long time. So this Costa Rican turpentine evidently struggles in California.

When you comming Down To Naples ?

Ed

Whenever they ask me to speak.