Ours has fruited ok the last 2 years despite growing in a bad spot.

It’s too small for commercial growing but the flavor is incredible.

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This is what my keitt looked like, only worse and earlier in the maturation process of the fruit. The unrotted portion was completely green (white on the interior). The tree would simply abort the fruits when the rot got severe.

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What is the vector or how does bbs transmit?  Can it be cured by foliar sprays?

Wind driven rain. Probably not, most of the literature on it just suggests lots and lots of copper, which isn’t a very good bacteriacide.

The solution will be growing cultivars that are resistant.

Sorry to the OP for keeping this topic veering off course.

I guess what is most concerning to me about this infections is that Keitt and its relatives are pretty susceptible.
It seems most of the Late season mangos will fall into this category (Keitt, Honey Kiss, Providence, Venus, Kent Galaxy etc).
The only late varieties that are safe...for now are... Neelam and Beverly (i think)
This will be a huge problem in the coming years for home growers trying to have an extended season

Sure I'd be bummed if I can't grow LZ well but there are a lot of other varieties to choose from.

Are there any US breeding programs (Zills, Fairchild) looking in this?

If not, I guess I have to start planting some seedling whenever I get a little bit of land, its a needle in a haystack approach but its worth a shot.

Yes most of the late-season varieties are susceptible. Kent, Keitt, Palmer, Hatcher all get it bad. Beverly has issues with the rot too apparently. Customer did mine loses most of his Beverlys every year to it.

No breeding programs that I’m aware of specific to MBBS resistance. Plenty of early and mid season varieties that are resistant . M-4, Cotton Candy and the USDA “Himsagar” ate possible late season alternatives . The first two likely have ‘ Gary’ genes and this likely resistant, but it has to be demonstrated first.

Interestingly, the Himasagar part of my Keitt (budwood from Zills) flowered early and I got fruits off it by June/July. I have planted a 3-gallon tree and it is flowering now.

Last year I tried it in August. But it could be that it’s typical maturity season is too early to be classified as “late”. M-4 and Cotton Candy definitely appear to be late though. Honey Kiss, though I haven’t been impressed with it, could be a possibility also.

Osteen is an “old” late-er season Mango I want to evaluate for resistance as well. It’s a Haden seedling....but so is Palmer, which rots badly.

Not sure of the accuracy of these recommendations on BBS from Africa, but would enjoy any informed opinions on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXNeGaGYNIg

Often there are no symptoms on the leaves when it shows up on the fruit unfortunately.

I also suspect it moves faster than a rate of 100-200 meters a year.

It may be both. I've seen it here since about 2011 or 2012. Har had said that he had never seen anything like it at the time. It starts off as the star shaped lesions, then the fruit completely rots, eventually just falling from the tree. The rotting happens well before the harvest, perhaps 1 to 2 months ahead of harvest on the keitt. I had theorized that the open wounds from bbs were allowing insects and pathogens to enter, thereby causing the fruit to rot, but I never fully understood what was going on.

I would literally lose over 90% of the crop each year, which would be well over a hundred mangoes. And unlike anthracnose, which at least allows the fruit to reach maturity and therefore offers some opportunity to eat it, the rot happened so early in the maturation process that the fruit was a complete loss.

Nordox seemed to help a little, allowing me to harvest at least a small portion of fruit. But I ended up cutting the tree back severely. This year it's finally blooming again; I'm hoping for a clean harvest.

I have seen bbs on other mangoes in my orchard recently. Venus was one, but I don't remember the others. The rotting has only been an issue on keitt.

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Is it bbs you’re getting or “the rot”? Or both? Because they often seem to occur in conjunction.

MBBS is the star shaped lesions that occur before the fruit reaches maturity while the rot always occurs at maturity.

The rot , on Providence:


This would be the first confirmation I’ve seen that the disease(s) have spread to Broward County. MBBS was likely introduced on Manalapan/Hypoluxo area

The rot comes and goes as it pleases. It can destroy 70% of a trees crop and abruptly disappear. Or destroy all of it (Davis Haden, Palmer, Hatcher multiple times) MBBS seems to only build and get worse with time.

Yes the MBBS lesion allows the rot pathogen (presumably a botryosphaeria or alternaria fungi) to invade the fruit. Any kind of opening or abrasion can serve as an entry point it would seem though.

Brooks descendants are highly susceptible (Keitt, Kent, Hatcher, etc) along with a lot of Haden progeny.

Lemon Zest is also highly susceptible and probably won’t get grafted anymore either:






Eventually I expect this stuff to make it to the major commercial areas (Redland, Bokeelia, Merrit Island). I’ve been trying to warn anyone who will listen.

My Sweet Tart flowered and fruited heavily last year. From what I have seen, it holds on to a large number of fruits without spraying.

As for Cotton Candy, it is an awesome mango, right up there with the best. Personally, I found it to be much better than Fruit Punch and even Sweet Tart. Same goes for Seacrest; another winner.  I have a 7 gallon Cotton Candy in my yard and Seacrest topworked onto one of my trees. Last year, I got 5 Seacrest mangoes from the tree.

I’ve been really impressed by Seacrest too. Looks like a real vigorous tree though.

Definitely think Cotton Candy is better than Fruit Punch.

Sweet tart is an outstanding mango, but I'm not fully convinced that it's a consistent producer. Mine seems to have a strong alternate bearing habit. Other than that, it's a top notch mango.

It seems to require an absurd amount of stimulus to get them to have complete blooms. Real spotty. Kind of disappointing actually.

Taste wise, how do Hayden and Edward differ?

Edward is considerably sweeter and the turpenes are more mellow. No fiber in Edward either.

Would Spirit of 76 also fall into this category?

Yes

Have you pruned it at all?

I got 35 to 40 mangos off a 6-7ft tall Alphonso last year, grown in south Florida coastal sugar sand.  None of the fruit that came off the tree in 2016 had been any good (actually quite repulsive). Initially in 2017 the flavor was lousy as well, but after a few weeks the flavor improved dramatically, to the point that customers actually were requesting it.

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Why does this ebay seller only have ONE (1) negative feedback in the last 12 months?  Leaving negative feedback will also help others avoid the same debacle.

I think it would be hard for the average buyer to know the minute differences between the varieties.
I definitely wouldn't.
One probably won't get a fruit for a few years after and he may re-open his business under a different name by then.

Yup.

So here’s the recap:

Last month I was told someone was selling grafted trees of several rare Indian and Pakistani mangos on eBay . Upon looking I found a seller named “GuavaKing” listing grafted trees of Langra, Anwar Ratol, Chausa, and Banganpalli. These varieties are not grafted by ANY of the major mango-producing nurseries in the United States, making them fairly highly sought after.

I inquired to the seller asking him where he obtained these varieties, but didn’t get a response. My friend Jack (DuncanYoung) did get a response from the seller who claimed to have the trees in his yard, and ordered several.

He received the trees in the mail and I was immediately suspicious about 2 things: the Banganapalli, a variety I’ve had exposure to and whose foliage I was very familiar with, was not a Banganpalli. DuncanYoung requested a photo of the man’s Banganapalli. He provided a photo of a small tree that clearly was not Banganpalli based on the foliage. Banganpalli produces long, flat , pointed leaves and has extremely thin stems. The tree in the photo had short, stout curled or wavy leaves, and regular thick stems.

The second red flag was that the trees (in 1 gallon pots) were not the cleft or veneer grafts you would see from an amateur, but “T” buds that only 2 nurseries in Florida know how to do with mango. And only one of those wholesells them as 1 gallons: Zill High Performance Plants.

I then observed that one of the small trees Labelled “Anwar Ratal” appeared to be a Julie mango. Julie has distinctive leaves, and tends to flower as a 1 gallon size tree. Coincidentally, this tree was also flowering and had inflorescence resembling Julie too.

Later while stepping these 1 gallon trees up to 3 gallon, a small yellow tag dropped out of one of the pots of the “Langra” tree: the tag, pictured in the thread, reads “NDM #4” (Nam Doc Mai #4). The foliage on this tree appeared to be that of NDM, and the sap smell was identical too. I immediately recognized this as a small tag used by Zill High Performance Plants to label their young grafted trees. I knew then the guy was obtaining the trees from Zill, and selling them under different names, knowing full well he could get high prices for 1 gallon trees under these false names.



DuncanYoung then emailed GuavaKing asking about the tag. He responded claiming no knowledge of it and claimed that he was obtaining his pots from a local garden center. I can supply email proof of this. He evidently also fed this lie to other buyers.

Forum member Scott then informed me last week that he had purchased 12 trees from GuavaKing. He also knew his real name. This was different than the name that he had shipped the trees under: , but both names were associated with the same companies.

As final confirmation of this fraud, I went into Zill and was able to ascertain that this man had indeed purchased in 2017 50 Alphonso, 50 Nam Doc Mai, 50 Julie, and 50 Himsagar, all as 1 gallon trees. I suspect he also purchased trees in 2016 under a different name, but did not search for additional invoices. It was implied he may have purchased Lancetilla as well.

This person is a disgusting scam artist, a thief and a liar. What he is doing is completely illegal, and he should be exposed for it.

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I can now confirm that the trees GuavaKing is selling on eBay are fakes.

Enjoy your Alphonso, Julie and Nam doc Mai trees.

Thanks a lot for getting that information, Alex.  Even though the news totally sucks, it's better to know for sure.  I've filed with PayPal for a refund.

No problem. Hopefully other people who were scammed by this guy can register complaints too. I’m notifying the Facebook Mango group as well.

I can now confirm that the trees GuavaKing is selling on eBay are fakes.

Enjoy your Alphonso, Julie and Nam doc Mai trees.