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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: April 01, 2018, 07:06:02 PM »
Ok, first answer. Starts with a question. By 'giant yellow', are you referring to the spiny Megalanthus, the one that kinda looks like a yellow pineapple when the cactus spines are brushed off, or do you mean the yellow Undatus, that looks like a traditional dragon fruit, but yellow. I don't have much (any) experience growing the yellow Undatus, but what Ive read has been that it is very attractive, but not as good tasting as the standard pink/red varieties. There might be sub-species out there where this is not the case, but that's what I know about them to this point. As for the Megalanthus, I have grown those before, at least the varieties that were available 3-5 years ago. The plant tends to be fickle about growing, its more sensitive to rot and fungus, at least for me, and the fruit takes up to 160 days to ripen from flower. It is VERY high sugar content, but the ones I grew were almost ALL sugar, and no flavor. I started referring to them as the "Rock Candy" variety, because it was just like eating sweetened raw gelatin. They weren't 'bad', but neither is pouring sugar into a glass of water and drinking it; just a hit of sugar. Now having said that, this is a hobby for most people, and everyone has differing tastes, and I would never tell anyone they are wrong for liking what they like. I just decided that the yellow wasn't for me.
Second answer, is if they are still doing business, Linda Nickerson, the lady in Fallbrook who sells the Sugar Dragon variety, had (had) a huge crop of G-2 plants. She runs Elk Creek Ranch in Fallbrook, which is reasonably close to the San Diego area. Here's her website:
http://www.devonsaustraliancattledogs.com/
Yes, I know it says cattle dogs, but she's a multi-tasker. If they are still selling plants, they can hook you up with a few top quality varieties, at good prices. As always, Id suggest buying rooted plants instead of cuttings, if you can afford the small difference. Will put you ahead up to an entire year's worth of growing time compared to waiting for cuttings to start.
Hope this helps you guys out.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: April 01, 2018, 12:15:10 AM »
Hello, super new and super dumb here but if I could bother anybody to answer a few very basic questions about growing dragon fruit I would be so very grateful.. I really want to start growing Dragon Fruit (happy to keep it indoors when necessary due to my zone) but particularly a yellow. I found a place that has a yellow variety cutting in stock and in their description they say it is best to grow with 2-3 other varieties for cross pollination. I've looked up how to do the pollinating myself but, probably because this is such a stupid question, I haven't actually heard somebody directly state if a yellow dragon fruit can cross pollinate with a red variety for instance. My impression is you can but if you grow another fruit from the seeds produced it'll be a new variety and that's one reason (in addition to ease/speed) people use cuttings, to maintain favorable variety. I just don't want to buy the only yellow cutting I can find available online at the moment and pair it with something I'm too ignorant to realize isn't compatible. Also how would I cross pollinate with more than one variety if I were to buckle down and dedicate enough house space to three plants..? Do I just gather pollen from all three and swap or is it just best to shuffle it up after a harvest or two so it's not always the same thing..? Another thing that seems important, is there any way to influence two or more plants to flower at the same time? Do they have the internal clock or do I just hope for the best? I know the flowers don't last long and I've heard you can freeze the pollen for up to 30 days if you really need to but even then at the very least I can't pollinate the first flower I see. Not a big deal I'm just wondering if there's something I'm missing. Or can I buy a red variety that is self pollinating but also use that to pollinate a yellow variety that isn't..?
I would love to ask ten more questions and really go into this as prepared as possible but I'm also happy to fail until I get it right and really I just want to understand the cross pollination thing so I'll stop there. Thanks so much to anybody who let me take their time and good day to all
Ok, first off, your best bet is to start back a few pages and read up on past discussion. a lot of questions about pollinization, crossbreeding and such can be found there. Second, do NOT grow dragon fruit thinking your main crop is going to be the yellow fruit. The Megalanthus, the yellow that's actually good, is a giant pain in the rear to grow and to get to produce, and even harder to wait for, as it has a ripening time up to 3 TIMES that of common dragon fruit. What you should strive for is to produce a collection of fruit, and if you want to include the yellow into that, that's fine. Try and pick yourself up a good red/magenta variety, like American Beauty, or others, for fruit production, one of the sweeter white ones for presentation, and as I recommend to everyone, try and get at least one S-8 "sugar dragon" for both flavor and pollen production. You can add yellows, or anything else you fancy, to this list. Yellow Megalanthus is not what I would call a 'beginners' variety. I grew it for a while and Ive removed it from my collection. I have limited space and it wasn't worth the resources required to maintain it.
Other than that, welcome to the community. I'm sure we can help you get into the groove of things here.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: March 12, 2018, 06:27:15 PM »
Personally, I don't know that I would white out the pots, myself. I don't know that it is ever going to get so hot down in San Diego that additional sunlight would heat up the pots enough to damage roots, given proper summer watering, but the dark color might actually help in winter months by warming roots and plant base. Hopefully you have access to both sides of that fence. As for planting cuttings, I'd double or triple up on the cuttings, per pot, if you have enough plant stock. It will lessen the chances of you losing a complete pot worth of work if a plant goes sideways. Just space them out an extra foot or two apart. This will also allow you to wedge new plants in between the existing, in the event you end up with a type you don't particularly care for, or was mis-labeled, but you don't want to just remove due to all the work you put into getting it to fruit production age. Also, new varieties keep popping up, so you'll want to make sure you leave some room for future planting. The plants will grow as big as you allow them, provided they are healthy, but that also means you can manually control a maximum size too, and prune them down if they get too thick, so there's very little chance of 'overplanting' an area, as long as you don't put TOO many in a single pot and they have to fight for resources.
Just remember, when you fill your pots, start out at about 65-75% fill. This is for 2 reasons. If you decide to use liquid fertilizer, the types you mix into water, its ALOT easier to be able to mix a gallon of water and just dump it into a pot when you don't have to worry about it spilling over because the soil level is too high. And second, if you also plan on using time release fertilizer, its nice to be able to sprinkle some into the pot and then add an inch or so of topsoil on top. Remember, dragonfruit have VERY shallow rooting systems, sometimes being just below soil surface, so 'scratching in' fertilizer can do serious damage when added.
Finally, remember to both label your pots with the cuttings planted (don't trust markings on the plants themselves) and alternate the order in which you place the cuttings. Make life easier on your pollinators by placing the species not in groups, but A,B,C (etc.) order. Even self-fertile species benefit from pollen from other plants.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: November 15, 2017, 11:21:08 PM »
S8 and Voodoo Child have been DNA tested by the research team in Irvine and they are NOT the same variety. They are extremely similar and might even be from the same 2 parent strains, but its not a 100% match. I don't have access to the link right now but I do know its somewhere on the Yahoo groups for dragon fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: October 23, 2017, 12:27:42 AM »



Hi,

Has anyone ever seen a dragon fruit morphed as part of the plant?

I grow quite a bit of dragon fruit but this is the first time I have seen this.

Does anyone know what could cause this?

Its going to be interesting to see what the inside of the fruit looks like when I cut it tomorrow.

Jo

I haven't seen one in person but I saw a video where a grower had this happen to him. His YouTube channel is Spicyexoctics.
Its an uncommon result to a very common occurrence in growing dragon fruit. When a new portion of a plant grows, the hormone level determines if the new growth is either a new branch or a new flower. Most of the time there's little to no 'reproduction hormone' so the new growth ends up being a branch. When the season and conditions are right, hormone production ramps up and you see more flower production. However, if its borderline, you can have new shoots start as one thing and then revert to the other. Most of the time you get fruit buds aborting back to branches, and you end up with a new branch with a distinct 6 sided start, like two branches growing through each other. However, sometimes, you can get a branch start that ends up getting an extra little push into fruit-hood, and then you end up with this, which is a branch that changed into a fruit state, then changed back to a branch, and the plant continued growing through the fruity part. Its best to go ahead and remove this once youre done admiring it, as the fruit flesh will eventually rot out and you will have an unnecessary ugly section in your plant.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: October 15, 2017, 12:34:46 AM »
Brandon, if you are interested in getting some cuttings I can hook you up with a few. I also live in Ontario, CA, and I have plenty of plant material to pass some on. Private message me if you are interested.
p.s. If anyone else is interested in cuttings of S8 Sugar Dragon, Haley's Comet, Orejona, American Beauty or a few others I'd be happy to pass them along. Has to be in person though, as I had a bad experience sending plants through the mail and I try to avoid that whenever possible now.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: September 17, 2017, 12:14:53 PM »
Sandy, unless youre planning on doing cross-pollination experimentation, I would avoid growing from seeds. I would almost say don't do it. Not only are you going to add years to your wait for fruit production, you're also going to be playing roulette with the type of fruit you get when the plant matures. The preferred method for reproducing dragon fruit is from cuttings for a reason: you know exactly what youre going to get, a copy of the plant the cutting came from. Seeds have a random chance of picking up traits, both good and bad, from their parent plants. And if you self-pollinate, theres a chance you can come up with weak or genetically inferior stock. Self-pollination is fine for fruit production, because we're eating the flesh of the plant, basically the unaltered womb of the mother plant, but the developing seeds (aka offspring) can still end up undesirable. However, if you do plan on trying your hand at finding new varieties, wash your seeds, dry them and store them in an air tight container, preferably with one of those Silica Gel packs that come in packaging, the ones that say "Do Not Eat" on them. This will keep your seeds dry for storage.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: August 20, 2017, 02:57:00 PM »
Totally depends on the size of the pot. a 15 gallon container should accommodate a plant for its entire life. Smaller pots might restrict growth and end up being root bound. Given the option, I would grow all my plants in pots from now on, as it makes water and nutrient management so much easier to control, plus it protects from most garden pests that bother roots. But, if you are concerned about appearance, you can plant in the soil. Or you can do both, by digging a hole large enough to sink a plastic or ceramic pot into the ground, up to its rim, and then planting that way. Try and add a foot or so of gravel under the pot for drainage and offset your post/trellis so it doesn't penetrate your pot and you can sport healthy plants and hidden containers.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: August 16, 2017, 07:01:31 PM »
My biggest problem with leaving fruit on too long is having them get sunburnt and then brown (aka rot) on the vine. Perhaps its just where I live but anything more than 2 weeks after fully ripe and I'm asking for trouble if I don't check them every day. As soon and the tips of the protruding scales start to shrivel then come off, if I don't forget/miss them all together.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: August 14, 2017, 08:23:09 PM »
My neighbor has a selection of unidentified cereus shich were left behind when the nursery she bought went out of business.
I'm attaching photos of two of these. in case anyone here can help ID these.

The first appears to me to be Selenicereus Megalanthus, yellow dragon fruit, based on the semi-circular scalloped edges. Do you agree?





The second has straight edges different from any cereus I've seen. Any idea what this is?
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The first photo is a variety of red fruit, not sure exactly the species because there were a lot of experimentals floating around, especially in California, but its a crossbreed of Costaricensis. It's 100% not Megalanthus, because the yellow variety has single, woody thorns, like a rose. I have a couple plants with the inverted scalloping in my garden, including one yellow that refuses to die (gave up on yellow a while ago), and theres a clear difference. I had one variety that either a pure heirloom Costa or a seriously demented crossbreed; wicked thorns and almost pointed scalloping, but it produced some of the best tasting fruit Ive had. Not too sweet, but very flavorful, and VERY solid fruit. It didn't mush when you were eating it, had more of a melon texture. I had pictures, but my PC has crashed a few times since then, so if I'm lucky, I might be able to dig something up for comparison.
BTW, the second photo does look like the plant I have that I was originally told was Orejona, but I think I matched it to Cebra. Red fruit, baseball sized, very scaly when mature. So red, in fact, that if you eat more than one at a time, some of the pigment can actually pass into your urine. Gave me a hell of a fright the first time it happened, before I figured out what was going on. I mention this to species to my cooking friends, as it makes for an excellent organic red food coloring when 'juiced'.





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: August 12, 2017, 10:19:04 PM »
I believe coco liner can have high (relatively) levels of salt in it, based on where it comes from. I don't know that for certain, it was just something I was told once. I have no idea if there are varying degrees of coco, as Ive always used burlap. As for the aerial roots themselves, they are both a natural part of the plants design and a benefit for growers. They stabilize plants on structures and allow for additional water and nutrients to enter the plants system. However, you have to be very careful not to overdo it with fertilizers on the aerial roots, as you could end up burning them if the mix is too strong. I always spray my posts when I water, to moisten the burlap and air roots, and they continue to grow and develop. Keep in mind, that these are the same roots as are under the ground. When a cutting starts showing new root growth, its actually the air roots youre seeing. They just develop a type of thick skin if not kept moist, as they would be most of the time underground.
Ive seen entire plants completely removed from the soil by damage or rot, living just fine off the remaining air root systems that managed to get back into the earth. Do not underestimate the value of the air rooting systems.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: July 25, 2017, 11:31:18 PM »
S8, Megalanthus and American Beauty?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: July 19, 2017, 11:31:52 PM »
Just make sure however you make your posts, that its securely anchored to either the world, or a wall. Plants get top heavy fast and you don't want them falling over.
And since we're starting to show off pictures of our collections, here's the first harvest from my plants. Its a mix of S8 Sugar Dragons (smaller ones) and my experimental crossbreed.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: July 17, 2017, 06:46:07 PM »
Summer growth is rapid. Some people claim to have seen an inch a day growth on plants. Ideally, for 3 seasons out of the year (spring, summer and fall) you should be watering enough to keep the soil other than completely dry. Once a week is usually enough. Don't fertilize that often, though (every 2 weeks at most)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: July 16, 2017, 11:26:42 PM »
Cookie: If youre going to use a 25 gallon pot, you will have enough room for roots to plant several separate dragon fruit cuttings/plants. I suggest having more than one, if you can, especially in the same pot, so the plants (and flowers) intermingle to make cross-pollination by natural forces easier. easiest thing to do would be set your 4x4 post first, but coat the entire area that's going to be underground/in the pot with some sort of waterproofer, like roof sealant, that's not going to deteriorate or leech into the soil. Even treated lumber wont last forever so this is a good thing to do to extend post life. Then, make a hole in your pot and slide it over the post. Build or attach your upper assembly (some people just drill holes in posts and run heavy pipe or Rebar through to make the upper.



This is the ideal shape, if you can imagine this on the top of a post. It allows the branches to grow up and out, and supports weight. Just make sure however you make it, its sturdy enough to support 100-200 pounds for a healthy mature plant if it does well. After this, I highly recommend wrapping both the post and supports in burlap (potato sack material). Most hardware stores sell it in the garden areas. It retains moisture when you water and gives the air roots something additional to grasp onto and weave into. I always water my plants and then give my posts a quick spritz before I'm done.

Sayan: Is that yellow area soft or just yellow? The entire cutting looks like it might have received too much sun for a time. A light dusting of Epsom Salts can help counter that yellow, and green a plant back up, but only if its healthy. Is it already rooted or did you plant it as a cutting recently? Yellowing like that is a bleaching of the chlorophyll in the plant, and is reversible. But if its soft, and starting to turn a honey brown color, its dead flesh, either from dead roots or bacteria. Keep track of it and let us know how things progress. In the meantime, maybe add a little Miracle Grow when you water to give the plant some extra nutrition.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: July 16, 2017, 08:38:45 PM »
Welcome to the fold  :)
First off, you should try and keep the plant potted, not in ground, if your landscape allows. This gives you more control over watering and soil conditions, and protects you from things like gophers. A 15 gallon pot is more than enough for a dragon fruits entire life span. Secondly, how you grow it is going to depend on where you plan on putting it, and what sort of area that is. Up against a fence? Middle of the yard? Stuff like that. The traditional route is to grow these up a post of some sort, up and through an elevated ring or support, which takes the load of the plants eventual weight, and grow them in an umbrella-like canopy. 1-3 main stems are trained up the post, using gardeners tape or burlap rope, with the remaining side growth trimmed away, and as the stems get to the required height, they are topped, or cut, to prevent further growth on those stems. This forces the plant to start producing side branches again, but at the top of the plant (hopefully). These are trained up though and over the support on top, and then allowed to hang back down. Hanging branches produce more fruit, with it having something to do with the necessary hormones being pushed further down the branches and collecting there.
There are dozens of good ideas on how to support your fruit, and a quick google or YouTube search (growing dragon fruit) should hopefully yield something you can use in your particular situation. At the end of the day, though, the main idea is to end up with long hanging branches.
As a side note, though, I would suggest that, if you have the space, you consider starting a second plant. Without knowing what variety you have there, you would be best off having a second, clearly different species, for both pollination and general fruit production. Some will produce fruit without a second plant, but unless you know for sure what type you bought, I wouldn't risk it. Waiting a year or two to find out can be a disappointment.
Oh, and as for the roots, these plants tend to grow roots on the surface, not deep, so the best way to go about transplanting would be, if you can, use a box cutter type knife to slit the old pot enough to wedge it open a little, then try and take the entire root ball + soil out in one piece. Make sure the soil is nice and dry, to prevent it from crumbling. Not watering the cactus wont hurt it for even weeks at a time, so you don't have to worry about that. Just make sure when you transplant, wherever it goes, try to keep the top of the old soil even with the new location. Don't try and bury it deep; these plants aren't fond of that.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: July 14, 2017, 04:47:18 PM »
Reminder: Self-fertile and self-pollinating mean two different things.
Self-fertile = The plants own pollen is capable of germinating fruit, but might possibly require manual assistance to make that happen; in other words, you might have to move the pollen from the stamen to the stigma yourself in order to get successful pollination if you don't get regular help from the forces of nature, like bees or moths.
Self-pollinating = The plants structure is such that not only will the plants own pollen successfully result in germination, but it also does so with little or no outside help. Usually this is in species where the stigma is actually shorter than the stamen, and cant avoid coming in contact with the pollen.
Personally, I try to hand pollinate every flower I can get at, and if at all possible, cross-pollinate plants to encourage stronger fruit. Sometimes, though, timing of flower bloom or the weather simply doesn't allow for that level of involvement, so the plants are left to fend for themselves.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: July 11, 2017, 12:47:37 AM »
Anyone know if that variety is self fertile btw? If not, anyone in the area that can help her out with some pollen? I don't think mailing some would survive the trip

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: June 28, 2017, 12:17:15 AM »
Couple responses:
1. Cross pollination does often result in a genetically different variety of fruit, but the result is often a complete crap shoot as to whether you're going to get something that's better than what you started out with. Each cross picks and chooses features from the parents and adapts them to a new genetic base in the seeds of the fruit. Most often, you end up with something very similar to what you started with, sometimes so often that it takes genetic testing to even confirm a variance. This is why there are so many versions of the white and pink varieties. Each one is just a smidge different from the other, and each has its own name given to it by its proud farmer parents. But, that adds to confusion as to what variety is what, with discussions like "no, that one's skin is to thick to be XXX, it must be YYY".
I tried my hand at breeding early on, and I did end up with one plant that seems to be something new, but until I can get that confirmed by someone with a bit more knowledge than me, I'm just keeping it on the down low, as they say.
2. You should not fertilize cuttings. Until your cutting turns onto a solidly growing plant, maybe 3ft tall with a few months of actual active growing time, it should be kept in nothing more than loose or airy soil and watered occasionally. Using a cactus potting soil or some native dirt from your yard, mixed with bark, perlite, gravel, etc. to get a decent consistency for drainage, should be more than enough for a cuttings first few months of development. As a side note to that, if you're only going to raise a few plants from cuttings, I suggest starting them off in clay pots. They don't have to be large, maybe 2 quarts, just big enough to support a decent stick or small post for the plant to be attached to as it climbs. The pot will absorb water into its walls, which will help regulate soil temperature between waterings, and when its time to upgrade to the pot (or soil) you're going to have the plant live in, if the roots are too clingy or grow through the bottom of the pot, a couple whacks with a hammer or rock will crack the pot and allow you to remove the root ball with little or no damage. Sometimes transplanting can do a lot of damage as dragon fruit plants tend to have shallow roots that are fairly easy to tear.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Tools of the Trade
« on: June 20, 2017, 07:07:28 PM »
Since we're getting into that time of year when our thought turn to dragon fruit and the lovely, yet finicky, flowers they come from, I thought I would take the time to pass along a few tips on how I go about doing my pollinating and the tools I use to do it. Here are a few pictures to help with the more visual types among us:









In order of appearance are the following:
1. A digital scale. Mostly for use at the end of the process, weighing fruit, so you can show off the results of your mighty fruit creation skills. We all need something to brag about, and what's not to love about sharing.
2. A refractometer. Again, this is another 'after the fact' tool. Its used to measure the amount of dissolved solids in a liquid, namely how much sugar is in fruit juice, MORE namely how much sugar is in your dragon fruit. These come in both digital (shown) and optical varieties. The optical looks like a cross between a flute and a spyglass, and it very easy to use if you decide you have enough interest in the hobby to have dedicated testing tools like this.
3. Pollen Dehydrator. This is a custom item I built myself, and I use it to remove moisture from the collected pollen before I store it in the freezer. It works like a common food dehydrator, except its a mostly sealed environment (with the door closed) and I do not add heat (pollen is sensitive). Running a small fan in the box circulated the air through an area of Silica Gel (those "DO NOT EAT" packets you find in packaging) and that draws out the extra water and makes the pollen less likely to be damaged by extended stays in the freezer.
4. My worktrays. To avoid excess contamination, I tend to lean towards ceramic for work surfaces and these sized trays do the job nicely. They clean easily, are almost completely non-stick and the high white finish allows me to pick out foreign objects (plant parts, bugs, thorns, etc.) both before and after drying.
5. Pollination brush. Most of the time I directly manipulate the flowers to apply pollen, but sometimes can prove difficult to get at, tucked in between pointy branches, so I use the brush to extend my reach. Any soft bristle brush will do, as long as its clean and free from contaminants (aka, don't use your significant other's makeup brush). Also, the stick end helps with moving and poking at various things, like bugs and flower petals.
6. Funnel and pollen tubes. The plastic sample tubes I use are small 20cc plastic sample tubes, with attached lids. Easy to find in bulk and cheap on places like Ebay. With the matching tray, they are perfect for upright storage in the freezer and don't take up too much space. The funnel is pretty self explanatory, and is used for putting pollen in tubes.
7. The pollen collecting scoops. Now, here's a biggy. I use these to collect my pollen from the flowers, usually in the early morning before I go to work. The shape of the tools is very important. The larger of the two, and the one I use most often, is just a simple Ice Scoop that I reshaped using metal cutting snips. The more pointed end and wide back matches the shape of the flower very well and allows me to maximize pollen yields. Also, I filed down the cut edges so they are nice and smooth, so as to not damage the internal parts of the flower. The actual tool you use is less important than the shape. I've had other people Ive talked to use 1 and 2 liter plastic bottles, cut on a slant, to do the same job, and it seems just as effective.
8. Pollen sorting tools. I use these to both clear the collected pollen of foreign objects and to scoop pollen into the funnel. You should do your best to avoid touching the pollen with your hands, as the oils on your fingers can do bad things to living things that small.
Ok, now that's were through that, here are what I hope are a few helpful tips to get you more fruit.
First off, if you have multiple fruit varieties, the order in which you pollinate is very important. I always try to collect the pollen from one plant variety first, then move on to the next, first pollinating the second plant's flowers with pollen from the first, then going back and collecting the seconds pollen for use on the next plant. You're always going to get better results if you cross pollinate, even if some on the varieties you're working with are self fertile. Its worth the extra time to make that last trip back to the beginning of the loop to make sure you're mixing, not matching.
Next, don't be afraid to get your hands dirty, or in this case pollen-y. If the flowers are easy to get at, and at a good height, Ill just reach into the flower and grab it by the lady parts (the long thick Pistil that extends from the center of the flower and ends in a starfish-like shape) and dip the end of it directly into my pollen catcher. Gentle but firm. You're not going to harm the flower by doing this if you're at all careful and its a good way to pollinate quickly if you have a lot of flowers in one area.
On a related note, collecting the actual pollen is just as simple. Just insert your pollen catcher into the flower, in the space between the white petals and the yellow stamen that surround the pistil (lady parts), and give the entire flower a good shake or tap. The pollen will come right off and into your collector. Flick out any large foreign objects but leave the removal of the smaller stuff until later, when you can get at it with clean tools.
Before you're done for the day, though, (hopefully) you'll have left over pollen. However you decide to do it, just make sure it has a chance to dry in a warm, dry place for at least 8 hours ( I usually do 24 without the dehydrator) to allow for proper storage condition. You can use coffee filters as your drying medium if you don't want to do anything fancy, but just make sure the pollen is undisturbed and free from added contaminants like dust or animal hair. To be safe, you can even add a second coffee filter on top of the first, once the pollen is added, to act as a protective layer.
Ive had successful pollination months after storage, so if you ever find yourself with extra pollen, its never a bad idea to put some aside for later, because with the various conditions (wind, bees, etc) you never know when some leftovers will come in handy.
I hope this helps out a few people, and here's to hoping for a successful season to everyone.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: June 03, 2017, 01:26:04 AM »
Most of the time, when I make cuttings for my plants, I try to cut the branches at the 'knuckles' of the branches; where one branch starts growing from the parent branch. Most of the time, you can just throw those in the ground without any prep work, as there's no exposed flesh to worry about rotting out. But what I do is put the new cuttings into a common plastic bucket or barrel/tote and put about 1 inch of water in the container every week. This keeps the tips wet but also allows for the small amount of water to warm up with the daily cycle. I almost always end up with healthy cuttings with 2-4 inch root clusters after a month or two. Also, I keep my cuttings in partial sun until they are planted. Without a functioning circulatory system, the plant has no way to combat sunburn and bleaching from excessive sunlight, but you also don't want to completely keep them in the shade. Under another plant seems to work out well most of the time. If you have the option, ask for, or generate cuttings made from a complete branch when its time to propagate dragon fruit. Full branches wont let out moisture at the same rate as cut ones will, so as long as you're not holding on to them for several months at a time, they should stay hydrated long enough to start plants anew. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: May 02, 2017, 05:27:56 PM »
Ok, I can see the S-8 branches tucked in there now. Had to zoom in a bit 8). Congrats on the flowers.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: May 02, 2017, 01:00:26 AM »
Simon, unless I'm missing something, that's not a Sugar Dragon flower, or plant, in those pictures. That looks a lot like a Guatemalan variety like G-2 or American Beauty. I will try and get some pictures together of what S-8 "Sugar Dragon" is supposed to look like asap, as I accidentally deleted my picture folder a while ago.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: April 22, 2017, 05:40:39 PM »
If you have the room you should use the 15 gallon pot option. It will give you enough room for the expected lifespan of the plant. Just remember, whatever soil mixture you decide to use, make sure you don't fill the pot over 75% on the initial planting. This will give you room to both add solid soil type fertilizer in the future and to add water (and water based fertilizers) without waste, so you can just dump water ion by the gallon without having to slowly pour it in while trying to prevent overflow and spillage. If you bury your pot, again, leave about 25% above the surface for convenience and, if possible, throw in a couple inches of gravel under the pot to help with drainage in wet times. You can also have (traditionally) up to 3 cuttings in a 15 gallon pot, so if you want to have some variety or need cross pollination, you should have at least two varieties per pot. It helps to take some of the workload off the bees and other pollinators having mixed flowers so close together.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: April 16, 2017, 09:46:11 PM »
I found my first buds on my G-2 plant this week. First to the finish I guess, which is mostly bad, because I believe its not self-fertile.

Do you plant S8 too? I spotted flower buds on my G2 and S8 at the same time. Come get some if needed.



My selection of plants is about 25% S8 Sugar Dragon. I both cook with it and find its my favorite for eating on the go, being a nice portable size. As I said, I think with my plants its a lighting issue, as neighbor's house and patio both shade most of my plants for a few extra months a year. But my G2 is flanked by S8 on both sides and neither have buds yet. I'm getting a lot of new branch starts, but theres either not enough sunlight or chemistry to force that new growth to show up as flowers yet. I go through this every year, so I like to keep a running record of when everyone else sees their first buds pop, so I can keep logging data and compare it to mine.
*- note these pics are about 3 years old. Been a while since I took new pics of the jungle that is my dragonfruit patch. Maybe this year...

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