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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Wonderful Halos
« on: April 13, 2017, 10:31:37 PM »
I got a tango last year and should be able to get more. I live close to LaBelle, Florida 33935. If I get one or two would
you drive and get them? I also would consider Kishu for an earlier ripening citrus tree. They get ripe around September or
October and are usually still green when they are ready. The climate in South Florida is very different then the climate is
where the Wonderful Halos are grown. They have cool nights and the citrus grows very different in South Florida. I really
enjoyed the Kishus the past two years. They are very tangy flavored and it is the only truly seedless citrus I have grown so far,
Even the tangos had a few seeds. I grow 3 types of satsumas and they also had seeds and the ponkans are very seedy from the
cross pollination. If you really want a tango pm me and we can make arrangements
Mike

Yes, I'd have no problem driving there to pick them up.  2 hours is nothing compared to some of my travels around the world collecting cultivars.  ;)

I am looking for the following Citrus:

Kishu
Tango
Gold Nugget
Xie Shan
Nules Clementine
Budd Blood
Orlando Tangelo
Tahitian Pummelo
Valentine Pummelo


I currently have the following Citrus:

Temple Tangor
Pace Orange
Ponkan
Dancy Tangerine
Minneola HB Tangelo
Ruby Red Grapefruit
Marsh Grapefruit
Flame Grapefruit
Hirado Buntan Pummelo
Meyer Imp Lemon
Pink Variegated Lemon
Excalibur Red Lime
Owari Satsuma
Dekopon/Shiranui
Red Naval Orange
Moro Blood Orange
Centennial Vari Kumquat

I'm open to 4 more suggestions, maybe I'll go for 30 varieties.  Who knows?  :)

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Much of this depends entirely what you're aiming to do.

If you are attempting to container grow a fruit tree which normally gets very large in ground, it is a great idea to let it fruit early as possible--therefore stunting it's growth and allowing you to get fruits from a variety not normally grown in containers.

If you're growing in the ground and want to get a healthy size after a few years and a larger tree, then definitely do not let it fruit.  How you prune it, or not prune it, depends entirely on what you're growing.  A stone fruit needs some strong pruning care to promote its open canopy, but a citrus is closed canopy and unless space is an issue, you shouldn't prune anything but the Ds.

To set this example to a neighbor even on plants (who asked me earlier this year), I lined up a group peppers and tomatoes.

One control group of bell peppers was allowed to fruit as early as possible with natural form, and another control group of bell peppers (same variety germinated exact same time) had its flowers pinched and heads pruned to promote multi-branching until it was thick trunked, barky and over 30" high before being allowed to set flowers and then fruit.

Now, the early fruiters have an average of 3 fruit each.  Their fruit is nearly ripened and large, but the plant is very short--under 20" tall and clearly putting all of its energy into the few fruit.  They are averaging about 2 more flowers coming from the tops.  So they might end up with 5 fruit in the short term, and not produce for awhile afterward.

The flower pinched pruned ones are now reaching over 40 inches tall, and have strong trunks which handle the high winds here without staking, and have more than 30 fruits each with more than 20 new flowers incoming.  The harvest will be a couple of weeks later than the earlier setting plants, but more than 10x the harvest, with a much healthier, stronger and larger plant which holds its fruit even without staking.  The root systems have developed incredibly and the plants respond much better to feeding and show very few signs of pest problems (just leaf miners on some older, lower leaves).  Moreso, because the fruits are all in various stages with many more to come, there will be an ongoing staggered season of Bell Peppers from this group with fruits ripening at various intervals.

I can provide photos if interested.

The tomatoes did exactly the same thing, and even moreso, the early tomatoes are acting like determinate rather than indeterminate.  The carefully pruned and flower pinched tomatoes are like miniature trees with trunk bases more than 2 thumbs thick and only 4 feet tall, and now super loaded with flowers and fruit.

Think of trees as a much longer term of these pepper examples.  What is the future goal of your trees?  You want fruit right now, so you can taste it and decide whether or not to invest moreso into that variety, or do you already know what you want and gear up for a bountiful harvest in a few years?

Maybe you only want a few fat fruit each and every year, with a tiny, stunted tree.  In that case, you know what to do.

I personally never let my fruit trees fruit their first year in ground or in a container--period.  Containers, I let them fruit 2nd year, and in ground 2nd or 3rd depending on type of fruit and then cultivar.  Even then, I may wait longer if there are signs of stress the tree is enduring whether natural or environmental.

It is up to you to do what is best for your trees and for you, and to find that happy median which comes with experience, wisdom and patience along with much trial and error within your growing zone and climate.

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BOOM!

I pulled it off, folks.

I am the proud owner of a 4 year old Ra-Jamun.

1 down and 1 more variety to go!

If anyone is wanting scions, let me know.

This is the sweetest of all of them, and the one that all of India is raving about.

This is a major game changer! Scions for a hard to find invasive sub cultivar.. I have only thought of planting out the wild one here in Florida. But maybe I will wait, I'd love to try grafting next year, when my seedlings are larger. The Skeels has my heart too though Viking Guy. It's so ideal, so we can show it off in its best form!

Hah!  I know, though, you'd be surprised how highly desired this variety is--especially for its health benefits.  With a couple of more desirable cultivars, maybe we can change people's opinions of the jambolan.  Sadly, though, the Ra still has the nasty growth habits of the common varieties.  This can be remedied with a better or controlled rootstock.

There are a lot of people from India in the US, and since I deal with a great many of them in my company, they've all been eager for me to find this one in particular.  That said, while they are hooked on Ra, I personally want the Skeels myself for a variety of reasons.  Especially if it is as good as they say and true to seed.

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I pugged my lemon zest 2 weeks ago..then i painted the pruning sealer to.the pugged site..

I am quite concerned that the top-side trunk is turning black.

Is that normal? If not, what should i do to save the tree?





Looks to me like it is spreading.

I will pug it again above that next bud before it reaches that bud also.  You'll lose the heavy branch but possibly save the tree.  No need to seal the wound.

I recently had to pug a Coconut Cream (oh the horror), but it pulled through and I'm sure I can retrain vertical growth on it.

I was left with only about 5 inches of graft after I removed all of the disease, but saved it in the end.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop seedling hardening off?
« on: April 12, 2017, 10:28:24 AM »
Yes it seems that the water has excessive mineral content. I ll think about making a DIY solar distillation unit.

My friend sorry to tell you but your soursop looks really awful  :(
Are you sure it didn''t get hurt by low temperatures?  Soursop is truly tropical and hates cold temperatures and strong winds.
About water: why don't you simply collect rainwater?
It's perfect for all your plants not just for soursop  ;)

If he gets the RV filter for water, it will make the tap water as easy on plants as rainwater and without any pollution.

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Hi Viking Guy,

I don't want to be mean or a hater on the java plum, but be careful.  :)   I dug out and dumped 3 java plums this weekend alone. The problem is real serious here.

http://kwbgs.org/resources/alternatives%20plant%20guide.pdf see pg 63, listed as cat 3 invasive (to be watched carefully).

Well, I take this with a grain of salt, sapodilla is listed cat 1 invasive (same level as sea hibiscus, which I feel is 100x worse than sheflerra).


Oh, I know.  The Ra-Jamun has that potential also; whereas Skeels does not.

That said, my Ra-Jamun is going to be strongly controlled in a pot, and will never be put in the ground.

I will work it to make enough harvest to appease my Indian friends who desire it, and maybe try some myself, but that'll be about it.  The remaining efforts will be used for getting scions or air layers to those wanting them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: April 11, 2017, 02:21:36 PM »
Wow, very nice tree's Xshen, you've got the grafting down for sure i can't believe that those long scions work for you i'm amazed. You quiet a few varieties growing and there looking good what kind of potting mix do you use? Many of my varieties are sticks right now and I'm afraid that I might lose them I think I drowned them last year. The whole Month of Sept. we were on vacation and I left all my jabo's in a shallow container of water while we were gone and now many are leaf less and some died completely. My potting mix was pumice,peat moss, shredded bark, and native soil which is mostly sand. I was under the impression that jabo's like water so I'm totally confused now!! Sorry for rant but i'm really impressed with your jabo growing keep up the great work!
By the way avocado scions growing well but not bud push yet on longan.

They do like water, but still need to be well draining.

Even with watering once a day, I've had one who dried out and defoliated with a single day's heat.  When it's hot and sunny, I ended up watering 2x per day and moving them to filtered light under some larger trees.

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Loading her up with some supplements.  We will see some new growth really soon.





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop seedling hardening off?
« on: April 11, 2017, 11:28:57 AM »
Buy a drinking water filter that you'd use on an RV.  Can get it in WalMart.

Works like a dream when watering your plants.

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I bought a handful of varieties from Adam FFF when I visited awhile back.  None of those mentioned above though.

I'll see if I can find these varieties and let you know.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Wonderful Halos
« on: April 11, 2017, 09:37:12 AM »
So, anyone know of a nursery in south Florida carrying the Tango tree?

I am convinced I need one for my collection.  :)

Wont find it in South Florida...not sure but I have my doubts you would find it anywhere in Florida.

So looks like this will require shipping it to an adjacent state.

Guess I'll have some bud wood next year for Florida and.  ;)

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BOOM!

I pulled it off, folks.

I am the proud owner of a 4 year old Ra-Jamun.

1 down and 1 more variety to go!

If anyone is wanting scions, let me know.

This is the sweetest of all of them, and the one that all of India is raving about.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Wonderful Halos
« on: April 10, 2017, 09:27:26 PM »
So, anyone know of a nursery in south Florida carrying the Tango tree?

I am convinced I need one for my collection.  :)

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Wonderful Halos
« on: April 10, 2017, 12:32:08 PM »
So what we are eating now is likely Tango or WMA?

Interesting.  So, it is a seedless Nadorcott basically?

Need to learn more about it now.  :)

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Citrus General Discussion / Wonderful Halos
« on: April 10, 2017, 12:17:43 PM »
Anyone know what actual variety of citrus Wonderful is distributing?

They are labeled as Wonderful Halos Mandarins.  Seedless, sweet and easy peel.

Not sure if the variety is simply "Halos" or something else.

They are, actually, really good.  I was impressed by them, and they have flavor of some of my better varieties but without the seeds.

Wondering if this is a tree we can acquire, or if this is exclusive to the Wonderful company.  :)

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Miami / Homestead Nurseries
« on: April 10, 2017, 12:14:14 PM »
Can anyone tell me which nurseries in Miami/Homestead are carrying the Tropic line of Peaches/Nectarines on FGRS?

I have been everywhere I can think of down here and no one is carrying them, or completely out.

I think some farmers are buying them all up due to the citrus losses.  Haven't seen any HD or Lowe's carrying them either.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Custard apple San Pablo
« on: April 01, 2017, 01:24:34 PM »
When it turns soft enough that squeezing it leaves a depression with little effort, then simply twist it off the tree and enjoy.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: kumquat leaf yellowing
« on: March 30, 2017, 10:43:07 PM »
Yes, when I get home, I can list my foliar program for you.  I keep mine premixed, so don't remember all the names, but I use a lot of different products--some can go together as well.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Red Navel
« on: March 30, 2017, 02:28:16 PM »
I've had no variation in colors between red naval regardless what climate I've grown them in between zones 8b through 10b.

I agree with Millets assessment.  You have a Washington Naval.

Now, you need to buy another tree.  Red Naval is 2x better than Washington to my taste buds.




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Citrus General Discussion / Re: kumquat leaf yellowing
« on: March 30, 2017, 02:15:31 PM »
My Kumquats are the hungriest out of all the citrus I have, and I have a lot.

I just about have to spoonfeed the kumquats potassium and nitrogen, and lots of foliars.  There are foliars I alternate weekly and they love it and respond within days to each feeding with flushes of growth, flowers, fruit, etc.

You fertilized last year and growing in 100% cow manure.  Your tree is very hungry, stressed, and you might have some root damage.

I'm finicky about what I grow my citrus in and make my own soils out of a concise combination of mixed particulates.  You must get her on a steady feeding and I suggest a different soil medium for starters.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Guava flavor or lack of
« on: March 30, 2017, 02:02:45 PM »
Guavas are thirsty creatures.

Mine have fast draining soil and get water everyday.  The smaller potted ones get their pots dunked once in a while too.  Keeps them happy and healthy.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Repotting shipped trees
« on: March 30, 2017, 09:26:19 AM »
Guavas are the Van Damme of ever-semi-deciduous wannabe fruit tree root balls.  I even heard that a pink guava once dared Chuck Norris to repot it's roots, but since there were no survivors, it is only rumored speculation with limited validity.

I don't understand what your trying to say here? The roots are fragile or the opposite?

Also I have two other concerns.
1. If I repot I might hurt the fruit production. There are flowers and buds on both.
2. If I wait until after fruiting to repot the trees might not heal enough bc it's late in the summer

It was an attempt at humor, suggesting they have tough root systems.

Depending on size and tree shock from shipment (if any from those species), I'm not sure I'd let them hold fruit the first year in the first place.  If you do, definitely thin it out significantly.

To avoid transplant shock, again, just slightly step up the pot one size and don't disturb the root ball in the process.  Won't affect the plant in any way other than a positive one regardless when you do it.  Essentially, you'd just be adding some new soil around the existing ball.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Repotting shipped trees
« on: March 30, 2017, 09:17:41 AM »
Thanks for replies. They are from PIN and are indeed in 3 gal pots. I will most likely bare root them and move them into some 2 gal root maker pots I have.

Definitely do not bare root them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Repotting shipped trees
« on: March 29, 2017, 10:03:26 PM »
Well, if it comes without a pot.. then there is no question.  It must be potted.

Pretty sure the intent was behind trees being shipped in pots, so doubt bare root or shipping bags qualify.  :p

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No, still trying desperately to get it.  Having same response from the Indian nurseries...  none

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