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Thanks.  I have been keeping them in a sunny window for now.  I'll plant them in-ground after last frost date

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I recently purchased a tiny Hardy Fig tree from a nursery, along with a dozen or so berry shrubs.  Some of these had already broke dormancy and are starting to push out leaf growth.  However, we haven't reached the last frost date yet in my area, and it will likely dip into the high 20sF some nights over the next week or two.  These plants are all rated to -10F or worse, but that assumes they are fully dormant.   What should I do with them in their current state?  Are they likely to survive a frost unscathed?  Or will the new growth die off?   I haven't planted them yet, they are still in containers.  I could leave them in my garage until frost risk is over, or leave them outside in the sun and bring them in on freezing nights. 

Suggestions?

Btw these are goji, currants, gooseberries, elderberries, etc.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: minor issue on new leaf flushes
« on: March 30, 2018, 02:39:08 PM »
Thanks, Millet

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Citrus General Discussion / minor issue on new leaf flushes
« on: March 29, 2018, 02:02:09 PM »
All of my trees are flushing new leaves now.  I've noticed a few spots where the cluster of new leaves from a bud will shrivel up and fall off while still ~1cm in size.  This is only a tiny minority of new growth, maybe 1% on various trees.   Is this a normal thing?  Any idea why some leaves might be killed off so quickly? 

The only thing I can think of is perhaps these baby leaves are extraordinarily cold sensitive.   Prior to the spring growth flush I was keeping the minimum temperature in my greenhouse at ~33F.   Now with new growth and flowers I start the heaters when its ~36F, just to be careful.  It should not have dropped below 35F, which I thought was a safe temperature even for tender growth.

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This is a reminder to me to dump another handful of Osmocote in all my containers

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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Want to buy flying dragon fruit/seeds
« on: March 25, 2018, 06:46:10 PM »
I want to start another round of rootstock trees.  Looking for somebody who will sell me around fifty seeds, or a few fruits with seeds inside.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Kaffir Lime tree assistance
« on: March 25, 2018, 11:44:41 AM »
I'll have to buy some Kaffir leaves to compare them side by side, I'm curious now.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Kaffir Lime tree assistance
« on: March 24, 2018, 09:21:04 PM »
Tonight I made some Thai curries and used persian/bearss lime leaves as I have no kaffir.  It worked great.  I think this is a great approach as the fruit is excellent already, and the leaves work the same for cooking

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Kaffir Lime tree assistance
« on: March 21, 2018, 07:14:25 PM »
When I was out in my greenhouse foraging for limes, I couldn't remember which trees were lemons and which were limes.  I crushed a leaf of one (it was a Bearss/Persian lime) and it had a very strong lime scent.  It made me wonder... is there a significant feature of Kaffir lime for cooking?  Or would any lime do?   I don't have a Kaffir to compare to, but I've eaten Thai food and I couldn't much tell the difference betwen Kaffir and plain lime leaf.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: new greenhouse planning
« on: March 21, 2018, 07:11:07 PM »
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..When the greenhouse was built I told the election to make one of the heaters with a two prong plug end,  that way if I lose power during a winter storm I can plug it directly into a generator.    Be sure to have the intake vents set up so that they open every time the exhaust fans turn on, and close when the fans shut off.  ..


This is a very good idea.  I was thinking I may be able to use a battery backup instead of a generator as I don't think too much electricity is needed to power the fans and heaters.  I'll have to do a cost comparison, I don't know much about backup power options.   As for the vents, I noticed that unless I pin them closed even a breeze will open them up, so I am reasonably confident that the suction from the large fans will open then, and if it does not I will find a powered solution. 

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...Yeah, I love my Acu-Rite temp sensors, but have the same problem of trying to find a place in the greenhouse where the sun never hits it. Finally I just gave up...


I have enough sensors scattered around that I assume the coolest ones are correct when its sunny.  So if I see 85F/95F/100F its probably around 85F air temps.  I have a digital meat thermometer I use to check container temps to make sure the sun isn't overheating them and so far things have been ok.  I will rotate the white-painted side to point south as it gets warmer outside, and once they are in the ground it won't be a concern anymore.

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Mark - http://southernburner.com/


I wish I had done more research before I purchased my heaters.  I would probably have gone with something different, but I will make do with these for now.  I see the Southern Burner heaters you linked to must be using an electrocouple thermocouple to ignite.  My gas water heater has the same setup, and I thought it was pretty neat that it doesn't require any power.  This would definitely be a better solution, but its too late for me to exchange my heaters.


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Your dirty foot made me think of Adam Sandler in Mr. Deeds. Sandler had a black foot that had zero feeling and he played a prank on his butler. Also the butler was ridiculously quick and when asked about it he always replied ‘do not underestimate my sneaky ness ‘. There were other ongoing gags and I guess it’s my favorite Sandler movie ! Tom


 :D     I remember that one


Thanks for the kind words, all.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: new greenhouse planning
« on: March 18, 2018, 04:02:34 PM »
The exterior still looks identical, but I guess I hadn't posted any pictures from inside yet!   In truth I haven't done much since the last update aside from add some bits of insulation that aren't really visible, and I've mostly levelled out the dirt inside.   I also painted the inside foundation walls white.





dirt inside is now level, even though grade slopes around it


I still don't have proper heat or electric.  My HVAC contractor cancelled right before I left for a trip to India for a month.  I ended up putting all my trees in my basement the entire time, in darkness at around 50F temp.  However, they did just fine and I put them right back in the greenhouse when I came home.  I've been running propane space heaters when it gets below freezing, with circulating fans on an extension cord  :-\ 

It's just warming up enough now to get back on the utilities so I can finally be complete.   I have some ceiling-mounted circulator fans to install, also.  Then, the next thing to worry about is cooling.   I'm keeping all my trees in containers until I've made it through the peak of summer, just in case temperatures get out of hand.   

Last week I sprayed a surfactant on the inside walls of the polycarbonate glazing.  The product is supposed to eliminate condensation, but it did not work at all for me when I applied at the recommended rate.  The condensation came right back.  I am going to try doing it again with double the concentation before I give up and go with another product. 

Some of my trees had been struggling from the frequent near-freezing temperatures, and a handful that I severely under-watered had almost completely defoliated.   However, everything seems to be bouncing back.  Bare areas are all flushing like this:



Once the final heat and electric hookups are done I will looking into an automatic watering system, and likely some kind of active cooling such as a fogging system or swamp cooler.  I have public water and it doesn't seem to be hard like the well water at my old house.  I believe I can use foggers here without scale buildup. 

I have two sets of temperature sensors.  One is internet-connected and I can pull up the temperature from a phone app, and it can send text message alerts if temps get out of range.  The other is a simple radio sensor that runs entirely on batteries and has an audible alarm.  This way if I lose power, or if batteries die, I still have a backup alarm in case it gets too cold or my portable heater runs out of fuel. 

(the temp is really high on the sensors in direct sunlight, but the others show accurate air temps)



Because I'm running unvented propane heaters right now, and because I don't have enough heat to allow me to do much ventilation outside the warmest hours, I have a lot more humidity than I'd like.  I expect once I have the final utilities in place it will be more controllable. 

I haven't yet insulated the north wall.  I will probably save that for next winter.  I happend to find some cheap Ikea hanging containers (meant for some kitchen use) that work perfectly for hanging seedlings along the greenhouse structural rails.  I put all my trifoliate seedlings there, and beacuse they don't take up any floor space I am planning to grow many more for future grafting. 

Finally, I am thinking about putting white landscaping fabric down on the greenhouse floor to make it even brighter inside.  Right now my floor is just clay dirt which turns into mud when wet and so would the fabric brown.  However, I am thinking if I put a layer of much down first and put the white fabric on top the mulch won't stain the fabric and it should work pretty well if I sweep up fallen leaves occasionally.

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I bought a Marsh Grapefruit on Millet's recommendation last year.  It currently has a ton of flowers and they do look like grape or berry clusters, not at all like other citrus flowers.  It is still small but I'll leave a couple fruits on the tree to see how they turn out next year.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Trees Flowering
« on: March 12, 2018, 10:31:20 AM »
Mine too.  Everything flushed at once, even the trifoliate seedlings and kumquats.  I've just started doing some grafts.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Valentine Pumelo
« on: March 10, 2018, 02:40:31 PM »
Thanks for the feedback.  I have a Chandler but it is still very small.  I wouldn't feel bad replacing it if I can locate a Valentine.  Harris no longer carries it. 

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Valentine Pumelo
« on: March 09, 2018, 06:24:57 PM »
I know this is an old thread, but how does Valentine compare to Chandler?  I think I only have room for one. 

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For a single variety, sometimes I get seedy fruit and sometimes fruits are seedless.  Both taste the same.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: foreign varieties?
« on: February 26, 2018, 03:27:14 PM »
That's a shame :(

I understand the controls for obvious reasons, but it is such a tease to read about worldwide varieties that aren't actually obtainable.  Is there a list of US-based active breeding programs anywhere?

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Citrus General Discussion / foreign varieties?
« on: February 22, 2018, 05:09:13 PM »
I often read about citrus varieties from other countries (ex. Japan) that aren't available in the US.  Is it safe to assume that these are effectively impossible to obtain, or is there some legal path to import that doesn't require a quarantine program?  And that is assuming the source countries are even willing to export them.  I know citrus growing states have their own rules, are there also federal rules? 

EDIT - I think I found my answer.  Federal regulation only allows citrus imports under special permit, for the three below purposes, for 1-3 years.

Developmental purposes. The evaluation, monitoring, or verification of plant material for plant health risks and/or the adaptability of the material for certain uses or environments.
Experimental purposes. Scientific testing which utilizes collected data and employs analytical processes under controlled conditions to create qualitative or quantitative results.
Therapeutic purposes. The application of specific scientific processes designed to eliminate, isolate, or remove potential plant pests or diseases.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Citrus Growers Forum
« on: February 21, 2018, 09:19:47 AM »
Thanks!   

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Good greenhouse management site
« on: February 20, 2018, 04:50:24 PM »
I had never heard of rocket mass heaters, and that is a really neat design. 

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Good greenhouse management site
« on: February 19, 2018, 02:14:38 PM »
http://www.greenhousegrower.com/technology/natural-ventilation-and-fog-increase-cooling-efficiency/

I found the comparisons between indirect greenhouse heaters and direct heaters, their effect on plant growth, efficiency, etc. really interesting too.


Ah I finally saw the article you describe on the side.  I've always wondered about vented (indirect) vs unvented (direct) heaters.  I had read that unvented is bad because of the emitted carbon monoxide (for people) and ethylene (for plants).  However... I've run unvented propane heaters for a couple years now and never set off my carbon monoxide sensor or noticed harm to plants.   This article seems to claim that the unvented heaters gave better results.  Though, they add a lot of humidity which is already a problem for me. 

I'm still trying to think of a root zone heating system that doesn't rely on expensive electricity.  Piping radiant-heating-type water pipes around root zones might work but would be a lot of work to set up.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Good greenhouse management site
« on: February 19, 2018, 12:56:38 PM »
spaugh, my greenhouse is 575sq ft and 15ft tall.  I believe cooling with regular AC unit would be extremely expensive.  I do have concerns about humidity.  I may simply have to experiment and see how it works out.

Millet,  the limited research I've done into evaporative cooling says that Colorado has the best possible climate for this, while Pennsylvania is "reduced effectiveness", and in areas like Florida & Alabama it is totally ineffective.  What I am hoping is that I will get decent results because the system would only be running when it is bright and sunny, when relative humidity is at its lowest (for the area) as compared to cloudy/rainy days and nights when humidity is 80-100%. 

I do not have roof vents on my greenhouse, only two 24" high-CFM fans paired with two 36" vents.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: hydroponic citrus?
« on: February 15, 2018, 11:09:59 AM »
I was thinking it would be the same amount of work as maintaining a pool... but I forgot about cleaning the tubs, ugh.  That alone might make it impractical.   

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Citrus General Discussion / hydroponic citrus?
« on: February 14, 2018, 03:08:38 PM »
I mentioned this in another thread but I've been pondering it for some time.  The idea started when I was considering ways to directly warm the root zone of container trees.  I'd read that optimal growth is acheived with warm roots, but warm canopies seem less critical.  I was thinking if you grew them hydroponically you could heat the water supply to keep the roots warm at all times while letting air temps to drop in the winter.  I know very little about hydroponics, though.  A quick search on hydroponic citrus only turns up drip irrigation systems called Open Hydroponic Systems.  This isn't what I'm talking about.  I can't find any information on fully-immersed growing of citrus.   I assume you'd need to aerate the water, add nutrients, and possibly anti-fungal/anti-microbials to avoid rot. 

Thoughts?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Good greenhouse management site
« on: February 13, 2018, 11:57:19 AM »
Bill, you might be able to use a personal misting system designed for use in small rooms, attached to umbrellas, or near pools

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