Ok, thanks. The pitangatuba and rainforest plum are both healthy and more than alive. I potted them up and watered them a lot and they are very happy as of right now.

Adam, do you have any specific instructions for growing E. itaguahiensis from seed and the care after it sprouts? Is it like Grumixama, because I have a somewhat healthy tree that I have had now for 2 years, got it from Plantogram at already about 2.5-3 years old, so it's about 4 or 5 years old at over 6ft tall, and it stays healthy inside during the harsh Michigan winters. It is very sparsely leafed but the  the branches that have leaves are healthy and growing, still no flowers tho.

Clavija from the Amazon would be good, any papaya or papaya relative would be good, palms of any sort, ginger relatives like Soren's Aframomum sp., yagrumo and other pourouma species as they are tall but not wide, coffee, ceylon gooseberry, kei apple and other dovyalis species

I agree with DurianLover on everything but especially the the Annonas. They seem to not get too gigantic. I have a similar problem, except I have to contain everything I have in pots, so I can give some valid advice. Eugenias will do well, Wax jambu maybe, Muntingia calabura the cotton candy berry, mulberries and some of their wild relatives, wampee maybe, Imbe maybe, sapodilla if grafted or dwarf variety, Kwai muk, Acerola, anything dwarf or grafted basically.

The hardy rare or exotic fruits I know of are; Yanagi and Janatsi Ichigo(Debregeasia longifolia or edulis), maypop, may apple, magnolia vine/five flavors berry, kousa dogwood, che, jujube, guomi and other relatives, goji and relatives, kiwi and kiwi relatives, haskap, Kaphal(Myrica nagi),Yumberry(Myrica rubra) Kazinoki(broussonetia kazinoki, Himalayan honeysuckle, possibly Trianaea speciosa, Paper mulberry(broussonetia papyfera), banana yucca, sunchoke, akebi(Akebia trifoliata), buckthorn berry, fuschia flowered gooseberry, a lot of opuntia, plum yew, texas persimmon, serviceberries, cloudberry. salmonberry, thimbleberry, strawberry raspberry(rubus illecebrosus), elderberry, mayhaw, figs and wild fig relatives like Ficus palmata, medlar, non tropical guava, ugni, babaco, possibly any rare South African, Himalayan, and Andean fruits can also be grown in 8b.

I have a mulberry that came to me by way of the birds. It is 3 years old now and produced fruit for the first time this season, the berries being small but entirely white and very sweet but kind of bland. It grew from the beginning of last season as a 10'' tall seedling to 4ft at the beginning of this season and is now already almost 7ft. I just pruned it back today despite right now not being the proper time. I took a lot of cuttings in hopes that the crop I got this year will be the consistent fruit type and not just it's first year fruits. I live in Michigan and we have all sorts of wild black and red mulberries but I have only seen a single what seems to be wild white mulberry a few blocks from my house at the edge of a forest. The tree itself is really weird as it put out the regular small lobed leaves on it's branches but a ton of shoots from the lower trunk have large un-lobed leaves. It has survived two of the worst winters of my lifetime as well so I guess it's fairly hardy as well.

Does anyone have Triphasia trifolia for trade/sale? If they can be grafted onto an orange tree then I could use scions, but otherwise seeds, seedlings, etc would be appreciated, thank you! PM me if you want to trade for anything and I can send you a list of what I have.

I scraped the flesh off once dry and then I cut the sharp end of the seed coat off and soaked the seeds for a bit, planted them, and 100% germinated within 3 weeks.

Wow, that sounds awful. I guess the flowers make up for the fruit.

That's a shame, oh well. Thank you for the info Oscar.

I personally like the Waimanalo dwarf papaya, I thought it had less of the musky taste but it wasn't completely gone. I have also tried an unnamed variety when I was visiting Peru that was super sweet and had just the slightest musk, probably the pest papaya I have had, but it was being sold on the street in Aguas Calientes at a stand with only the generic names, no variety names.

Thank you for the info on the kola, as well as the cacao. I'll have to have my aunt in Ghana send me a whole pod one of these days.

I recently bought a bag of fresh kola nuts from a local African market and am wondering how to grow them from seeds. I know they need high heat and humidity and do well in light potting mix enriched with manure but should I soak them first, how deep to plant them, how long will it take to sprout etc? I also got a ton of fresh raw cacao nibs and I think these are easier, just plant about an inch deep after soaking in seed starting mix enriched with manure and keep above 80 degrees and high humidity, this I learned as my grandpa(nanabanyin) owns a cacao plantation in Ghana. Any info is appreciated, thank you!