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I sell them too, including Peruvian Apple Cactus:
http://massspectrumbotanicals.com/tag/cactus-fruit/

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Me toos, and I'm open to trades if you have any others:
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=10816.0

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Hey thanks for posting those pics, cool plants! Does that species have any human consumption type uses?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: July 17, 2014, 06:22:01 PM »
Here's what the 'yellow' cactus itself looks like:



Here's an example of a undatus dominant gene:


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: July 17, 2014, 05:59:19 PM »
The true yellow fruit, as I know it , is  Selenicereus megalanthus . Close to Hylocereus  species but it & its hybrids have spines on the fruit. From my experience the yellow buds picture above are aborting .
Please keep us up dated; could be new variety?

Dude seemed real cool, real legit. He got it from some lady in Orlando apparently her garage is completely covered over with the stuff. Talked to him since he claims hes going to go back there and get me photos of the flowers/fruits.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: July 17, 2014, 05:57:05 PM »
I figured that.

ASaffron had the idea that maybe its a rare type inter-species hybrid where the dominant gene are Hylocereus undatus but the skin comes out yellow.

Meanwhile, my 'blue' DF (Hylocereus bronxensis) order came the other day:





And the Pineapple Cactus (Selenicereus setaceus) Thao sent me is jamming already:



And my Sword Pear (Acanthocereus tetragonus) hand pollination attempt appears to have worked:



Can't wait until next year I'll be doing all kinds of crazy xcereus hybrid attempts...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Black Goji (Lycium ruthenicum Murr.)
« on: July 17, 2014, 05:43:47 PM »
My first lot of blue goji arrived today:








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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: July 17, 2014, 05:09:12 PM »
A semi-local guy brought me several lengths of what he said is "yellow" dragon fruit recently. I expected it'd look different but wasnt sure. Later I went online and all the 'yellow' (species) I could find looked more like a red gene DF, where this one the cactus looks like pure white gene. Interesting though is that one has formed a bud and after a couple days its already yellow:




It seems sturdy enough not like its yellowing to fall off I mean.

If this doesnt make a fruit its going to drive me nuts waiting forever to figure out what it even is, as I wont bother trying to sell/trade with it without having a real good idea.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: mberiw
« on: July 17, 2014, 12:27:43 AM »
If you want to sell any read here:
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=11597.0 (Suggestion for sellers)

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Suggestion for sellers
« on: July 16, 2014, 03:10:21 PM »
I've only been on here a couple months maybe and these posts have been driving me nuts. Most of them I responded to, well I think maybe two actually netted me actual prices after the whole song and dance. The other pm inquiries became like a double dose of wasted time.

If you've got something to sell put the price(s). If you'd be willing to trade what would interest you?

Without this info up front the odds you'll end up getting any of my money are already almost 0 now.

If you're trying to price gouge fine, if thats your thing then put up the over-inflated price so we dont have to waste our time just trying to get that far. Time is more valuable than money so quit stealing ours.

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Chems dont typically go 'bad', they just gradually loose their potency over time. We rarely can be to sure the state of this or that of course, but with say spices that we can smell / taste in my massive spices array-cabinet, I cant say I've ever opened a bottle and found it to be tasteless waste. Oh, and if kept refrigerated, most dry chems can easily last decades. This is all assuming powdered forms of course. Converting them to liquid becomes like comparing the shelf life of most non-canned food.

Hey depending on where the stuff is gong, you might be able to ship all that very economically using USPS Regional Rate PM boxes printing with stamps.com's app.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone growing Coinosicys macranthus?
« on: July 04, 2014, 02:20:30 PM »
Shocking. Googling the species name on the packet you left over here only brought up this forum thread.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: July 01, 2014, 10:07:40 PM »
One of my Sword Pear Cactus (Acanthocereus tetragonus) has a bloom right now:


Last week I had a Queen of the Night (photos above) bloom. I 'fingered' the thing and rubbed the pollen all about the pistil tips, but tonight I found it it finally fell off (fail). Last year I had several dragon fruit blooms, and a lot of sword pear blooms, but no fruits despite trying to finger several of them. Conversely, while the many many Peruvian Apple Cactus blooms I see between my neighbors and mine dont always set fruit, many do without any help.

Does the pollen have to make it all the way down the stigma 'tube', or what? I'm about to go try and break one off and shove it deep in there...



This moth seems to have taken some interest:


Any other help with hand pollination would be great.

Also, can it be assumed that most any aforementioned or etc xcereus cacti can make inter-species hybrids?




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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Free Dragon Fruit Cuttings
« on: June 30, 2014, 05:48:51 PM »
This 2 year old thread hopefully he doenst get wasted by PM's lol

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: June 30, 2014, 07:48:02 AM »
That's what it looks like in the first page, but I dont see it in the second.

Here it is:
Hylocereus Bronxensis Blue
http://w3flora.com/RealFloraDragonFruit.aspx?submenuheader=7&page=2

"Rare and endangered this three sided segmented climbing cactus is like no other. New growth is lime green soon turning to smoky blue. Flowers have never been seen yet."


Matt's Landscape has it without any photos:
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Species HYLOCEREUS BRONXENSIS- Has an XL white/yellow night blooming flower, the growth is 3-sided and closely resembles Hylocereus Ocamponis in that older growth is greyish-green in color, new growth dark green, but has shorter stem segments, sometimes pendant in growth and more narrow overall. Britton and Rose; originally collected by G. E. Barre in 1902, this variety is rare and endangered in its native habitat. The location collected is offically listed as unknown to protect the few specimens remaining in there native habitat. A rare species,not generally used for fruit production but can be crossed with other varieties. THIS VARIETY WAS GARDEN CULTIVATED FROM AN OLD COLLECTION AND WAS NOT REMOVED FROM ITS NATIVE HABITAT.
http://www.mattslandscape.com/detail/?plant_name=Hylocereus%20Bronxensis#full_desc


And there it is, that whole species-relevant usage of the word "variety". lol. If the word were only used for varieties of a single species it wouldn't have become this odd pet-peeve of mine.

UPDATE:
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Original Description: The Cactaceae 2 p.185 - Britton & Rose (1920)
Joints strongly 3-angled, dull grayish green, 3 to 4 cm broad; ribs strongly undulate, the margins horny and brown; areoles 2 to 3 cm apart; spines about 10, acicular, brown in age, about 6 mm long; flowers 25 cm long; outer perianth-segments broad, ovate, obtuse or rounded; inner perianth-segments oblong, rounded at apex, more or less apiculate, but not long-acuminate; scales on the ovary broad; stigma-lobes (perhaps) bifid

Described from specimens which flowered in the New York Botanical Garden (no. 9722) June 28, 1912. The plant was obtained from G. E. Barre in 1902, but its origin is otherwise unknown. It is related to Hylocereus ocamponis but its flowers are quite different from those of that species.
http://cactiguide.com/cactus/?genus=Hylocereus&species=bronxensis


Matt's cuttings have been out of stock. w3flora rooted price not too bad, but damn they only ship UPS ground and its $13.95. If they switched to Priority Mail it'd be about $6 if they used a regional box and itd be overnight being within the state of FL. I'll have to wait a few days before ordering...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: June 30, 2014, 12:51:36 AM »
The burlap will not help to speed up fruiting time (the aerial roots of dragon fruit actually adsorb almost nothing in way of nutrients from what they are growing against, they are not true epihpytes ) but the burlap will definitely be better for grip. I really recommend a fish based liquid fertilizer if you can get any, one with seaweed is perfect. I use powerfeed.

Are you sure the aerial roots dont absorb? I've read several spots now claiming they do feed from there so I've been stoked figuring out a wicked liquid-spray feed using nut's/biostim's to maximize output in confined spaces.   

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Where can one find protocols for specific plants to tissue culture?


http://scholar.google.com/

Search species name and words like 'micropropagation' or 'in vivo'.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: June 27, 2014, 02:37:54 AM »
Hey cool the eventual flower looks a lot like my Queen of the Night (selenecereus grandifloris) that bloomed the night before last:










That bud you have there itself is stunning though. It really lives up to the "dragon" look too!

A friend brought over a 7' long piece, rather thin, a couple months ago, but before I got around to sticking an end of it into soil it was already forming that flower . It had little feeler roots coming out the end, so I planted them and 2 nights later it opened. I've had one in a gallon pot for over a year and it hasn't formed a bud yet...

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While cytokinins on occasion do prove to promote seed germination, sometimes they also inhibit germination.

They aren't a good general purpose seed choice. The ones you want for such purposes are the Gibberellins (cell stretchers), Potassium Nitrate (of course!), and vigor boosters. Some I've 'uncovered' are Atonik, Brassinolide (a 'brassinosteroid'), Chitosan and Salicylic Acid (SA). SA is whats in willow that while not a particularly ideal rooting hormone (it doesnt actually signal root growth) the vigor boosting effects it causes works wonders on STRESSED little plant cuttings.

For over a year I did exhaustive research, oh it was so mundane and tedious, to deck out all the PGR pages with seed germination data an item of particular interest. The goal was to make the ultimate lab PGR seed germination kits so I set out to show the data to figure out what might go into a 'deluxe' sort of kit. Whew over 12 months later that work was finally sort of 'done'. I did scour every possible paper, book, etc I could find I wanted to really 'prove' which ones were good where usually only Gibberellic Acid GA3 (and sometimes Chitosan) gets such recognition. 

6BAP is a high grade cytokinin.
  GA3 had 6 pages like this from the same research methods / dataset.
The rest of my research is loaded into the product pages:
http://massspectrumbotanicals.com/category/horticulture-aids/plant-growth-regulators/
http://massspectrumbotanicals.com/category/horticulture-aids/plant-biostimulants/

Out of a great many many species potentially in the data, with the cytokinins (same with the Auxins) I really only found maybe 20 or 30 for each one I sought after (and I had economic motivation to do so). Compare this with GA3 or KNOH3 there were over 5 full (small print into image files) pages each (several hundred each). And with these ideal substances I never noticed inhibition effects, but with the cytokinins it really started to stand out with certain species as I dug into it all.

Oh, and there were many test I saw with the main cytokinins while some of the other more exotic ones I mentioned there hadn't been a whole lot of testing actually done that I could, for seeds, but its important that I didnt find much suggesting they ever really caused much inhibition in the studies...

HOWEVER, treating the sprouted seedlings with the coco water will assuredly boost their growth assuming you dont under/over dose them (overdosing with PGR's typically means inhibition of what should have been boosted). Coco water is a great PGR product, except that you cant really know what dosage you're actually giving them. Usually this might not be a big issue, but when big money is on the line it can be and this is where the pure grade chems come into focus as you can dial in specific PPM ranges and conduct real science.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: June 26, 2014, 07:03:46 PM »
That's what it looks like in the first page, but I dont see it in the second.

Here it is:
Hylocereus Bronxensis Blue
http://w3flora.com/RealFloraDragonFruit.aspx?submenuheader=7&page=2

"Rare and endangered this three sided segmented climbing cactus is like no other. New growth is lime green soon turning to smoky blue. Flowers have never been seen yet."

Wonder what they mean by "In 7" Deep Cone".

Annoying how everything else is named by 'color'. I can see how it got so messy like that with all the sellers on ebay doing that.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: June 26, 2014, 06:52:25 PM »
Blue Dragon Fruit??

This page mention w/ tiny pic a "NEW Blue":
http://botanicalgrowersnetwork.net/znetsol/1-ProductPages/Dragon/default.p.htm

Puzzled I google'd and found a Vietnamese page mentioning "Blue" but I dont see what they mean:
http://vietnam.vnanet.vn/vnp/en-us/13/36452/economy/blue-dragon-fruits-with-red-flesh-in-hanoi.html


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There are two distinct seed types among mango cultivars. Mangos originating on the northern plains of India, in Florida, Israel and South Africa generally have seeds with a single embryo and are called monoembryonic.  The single embryo is the result of cross-pollination, a sexual process, and combines the traits of the male and female parents. Seedlings of monoembryonic mangos will differ from the parent tree. Mangos originating in Southeast Asia generally have seeds with multiple embryos, and are called polyembryonic.  One embryo is of sexual origin, while the other embryos come from the maternal tissue and are identical to the mother tree.  Polyembryonic cultivars have traditionally been grown from seed in many countries.
http://www.fairchildgarden.org/livingcollections/tropicalfruitprogram/jackfruit/growing-a-mango-tree/mango-propagation/


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According to the abc gardening website:
"Trees are generally sold as grafted saplings, although some cultivars, such as Nam Doc Mai and Kensington Pride, can be grown from seed sown after removing the flesh. Seeds are polyembryonic, meaning one seed can produce two to four seedlings. Pinch out the strongest seedlings and retain the smallest. This will produce the best fruit."

Would someone also care to comment on this piece of imformation on Burkes backyard site:
"It is worth growing mangoes from seed as they produce up to eight shoots from each seed, only one of which is different from the parent tree. Remove this one – usually the centrally-located, most vigorous shoot – and all of the other shoots sent up are identical in fruit type to the parent mango tree. "
http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/forum/need-some-expertise-on-frowing-mangoes-from/


LIST:
http://stfc.org.au/mangoes-polyembryonic
"These grow true to type from seed   -  List supplied from the genebank in Ayr"

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Monoembryonic mango varieties, like the varieties recommended for Hawaii, have single embryos of hybrid origin and do not produce true from seed. They are propagated by grafting onto seedling rootstocks. Polyembryonic mango varieties, like the so-called common or Hawaiian mango varieties, produce two or more plants of nucellar (maternal) origin from each seed. These plants are predominantly true to type, and may be grown from seed without the necessity of grafting.
http://www.extento.hawaii.edu/kbase/crop/crops/i_mango.htm


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The Philippine race tolerates excess moisture, has pale green or red new growth and resists mildew. Its polyembryonic fruit is pale green and elongated kidney-shaped. ... Polyembryonic types may not require pollination at all. Branches may be ringed to induce flowering, but the results are mixed. ... The seed may either have a single embryo, producing one seedling, or polyembryonic, producing several seedlings that are identical but not always true to the parent type. It is impossible to distinguish true-to-type from zygotic seedlings from the same fruit. Some seedlings produce numerous tiny, parthenocarpic fruits which fail to develop and abort. Mango trees tend to be alternate bearing. ... Multiple polyembryonic seedlings should be carefully separated as soon as they have sprouted so not to loose the cotyledons. ...
Thomson (syn. Thomson Large Seedling)
    Origin Vista, Paul Thomson, 1966. Manila seedling, polyembryonic.
Winters (syn, M20222, Southland)
    Origin Miami, USDA, 1959. Seedling of Ono, Philippine type, polyembryonic.


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Polyembryonic Varieties

    The phenomenon of polyembryony, characterized by the formation of more than one embryo in the seed, is known to occur in a number of mango varieties growing under different conditions of climate and soil.
    The seedlings arising from the adventive embryos of nucellar origin are highly uniform.
    These can therefore be used as such for the vegetative multiplication of a polyembryonic variety.
    If found suitable, they can also be utilized as standard rootstocks for some of the monoembryonic varieties.
    In India almost all the commercial varieties are monoembryonic, A few that are polyembryonic are comparatively of little economic value and these are mostly confined to the west coast (Kerala) of southern India.
    Some of these are 'Bappakai, 'Bellary, Chandrakaran, 'Goa', 'Goa Kasargod', 'Kurukkan', 'Mylepaliumt, 'Olour', 'Nileswar Dwarf' and 'Salem'. Some of the important polyembryonic varieties grown in the Philippines are 'Cambodiana', 'Carabao', 'Corazont, 'Paho', 'Pahutan', 'Pico', 'Senora' and 'Strawberry'.
    The exact criterion for distinguishing a nucellar seedling from a gametic seedling in polyembryonic varieties of mango is not yet well established.
    In polyembryonic seed-stone the zygote usually gets degenerated and the seedlings emerge from nucellar embryos alone.
    Thus there are chances of the sexual embryo being crowded out by asexual ones in the early stages of embryo development.
    In that case the seedlings emerging will be all nucellar.
    In 'Pico' both the types of embryo develop approximately at the same time and at the same speed.
    But in 'Olour', 'Carabao' and 'Cambodiana' the egg degenerates and all the embryos in a mature seed are adventive.
    Uniformity in the colour of emerging leaves of the seedlings may, however, be a fair indication of their nucellar origin.
    It has been observed that some of the monoembryonic varieties may revert to polyembryony when grown under different sets of soil and climatic conditions.
    Some of the Indian varieties which were mostly monoembryonic produced more than one seedling in the Philippines.
    Similar position was observed with some Indian varieties when grown under Puerto Rico conditions.
    This may be due to natural crossing of the monoembryonic with the polyembryonic varieties commonly grown in these regions.
    The hybrids of polyembryonic and monoembryonic types are polyembryonic under Florida (USA) conditions.
    However, further breeding studies are needed to ascertain the nature of inheritance of polyembryony in mango.
    Sometimes, seedlings with multiple shoots formed from lateral branches arising in the axil of the cotyledonary leaves are mistaken for polyembryonic types.
    However, these can easily be distinguished as monoembryonic or polyembryonic on the basis of the number of tap roots.
    Single tap root will be a fair indication that it is monoembryonic, whereas more than one tap root with equal number of shoots will mean that the variety is polyembryonic.
http://www.ikisan.com/crop%20specific/eng/links/ap_mangoVarieties.shtml#Polyembryonic%20Varieties


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Around my area there are some monster trees that dont produce (M. alba, M. rubra), but then there are some M. alba (white, red/black berries) that produce just fine. One selection I'm about to start offering is the pinnacle of prolific, its puts out as much fruit as anything ever did. Perfectly adapted to Zone 9b/10a. I also offer some clones of some typical producers white, red/black berry. Also have true Everbearing (M. Nigra) from mature cuttings. Last year one of my M. alba seedlings came up variegated and its finally starting to take off, very excited. All my fruits are just a bit oblong / normal.

Would really like to get some some clone of the long fruited type, and would trade any of these available or other things.

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