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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: uvaia that stays as a bush, vs uvaia as a tree
« on: October 27, 2016, 05:59:38 AM »
Quote from: huertasurbanas on October 26, 2016, 10:06:52 AM
Cassio: that big uvaias are very cool! I hope they taste well!

With luck, I can confirm it before 04 years. :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fresh coffee for soil
« on: October 25, 2016, 05:39:48 AM »
My pratice:

Add water to the coffee powder (without sugar), milled egg peels and chopped banana peels and mixture all this in a blender (until all components be chopped very well). Then add 2x and 1/2 measure of water more, and irrigate your fruit trees.
Basic proportion: 5 banana peels, 3 tablespoons of coffee powder, 5 egg peels.

How it works:

The shell eggs may be used as a natural fertilizer (calcium source) and to adjust the pH of acidic soils.

The coffee grounds offers various nutrients to the soil and protects (eliminates bacteria and other harmful micro-organisms) and make the plants more produtive. But before putting it in the ground, it is advisable to add a bit of phosphorus (meal of blood and bones and poultry manure) and potassium (animal manure), so she will not steal the nitrogen to decompose, what could create fungi.

The banana peel is rich in phosphorus and potassium, both very important for plant nutrition.

Result:

The vast majority of my fruit trees are in pots, but I have a few in the ground too. All of them accepts well this mixture, with no problems. I have observed that this practice increased the prodution of flowers and fruits.

Hope that helps. ;)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: uvaia that stays as a bush, vs uvaia as a tree
« on: October 24, 2016, 05:13:04 PM »
Ok, as I promised here it goes a pic of the giant uvaias which the seeds were sent to me.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: October 24, 2016, 02:08:45 PM »
Quote from: huertasurbanas on October 05, 2016, 10:14:53 AM
Quote from: robinhood on September 04, 2016, 07:38:04 AM
Hi im robin, and im a jaboholic, ive been sneaking trees in behind the wifes back, i need moar, the fight is real, u cant stop me arghh,...

hey, listen, you can put a poted jabo anywhere in the garden, but cut the bottom of the pot so the roots will go to the soil of the garden... and your wife will think it's not planted on the ground :)

An advise: When removing the pot, look at the pivotal root. If it already touched the pot wall, cut her at this exact place. Cutting it there, will prevent the root to grow inverted, what could make the seedling to die. Here in Brasil it´s known as "four years´ desease" for potted jaboticabas, cause it is the medium age when it occurs cause the seedling grow. Don´t worry about cutting the pivotal root. it will grow again later, in the right position. ;)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: uvaia that stays as a bush, vs uvaia as a tree
« on: October 24, 2016, 10:04:58 AM »
Quote from: huertasurbanas on October 24, 2016, 08:35:54 AM
Cassio, get those 30 varieties for us! hey, what would be a giant uvaia? big tree or big fruit? size?

Will be hard to get all of those 30 vars! ;D
By giant uvaia I´m talking about the fruit´s size. I have a photo and later I will show you. ;)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: uvaia that stays as a bush, vs uvaia as a tree
« on: October 24, 2016, 06:59:20 AM »
Quote from: Solko on October 23, 2016, 01:39:50 PM
By the way, with that many varieties and different forms of Uvaia, I don't know if the scientific determination of the different subspecies has clear delineations. The botanical determination of a species by macroscopic outward traits could leave a few of the plants you have shown somewhere in the middle...

There´s a person that lives in the city of Arthur Nogueira, here in São Paulo, who claims to have 30 (!!!) different vars of uvaia. I have 2: the one that becomes a tree (piryformis) and the dwarf var (lutescens). I have piryformis sucsessfully fruiting in a pot of 40cmx30cm since two years. Lutescens is in a pot of the same size, flowering for the first time since I bought her. And this week I received 06 seeds of the giant uvaia. :)
I´m still seeking for seeds of the Eugenia beaurepairiana, another named var.

Quote from: Solko on October 23, 2016, 01:39:50 PM
Do you - or anyone else - know what characteristics to look for, of a key to determine which subspecies you have?

Sometimes they are so subtle, that I can´t recognize the differences even when someone is pointing them to me. I think that some "vars", are hard to prove the existence.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: uvaia that stays as a bush, vs uvaia as a tree
« on: October 17, 2016, 09:24:11 AM »
Quote from: huertasurbanas on October 14, 2016, 01:24:58 PM
By the way, te pregunto esto en castellano porque en inglés no lo sé: ¿has notado que las uvaias -al menos esta de la cual hablo, plantada en el jardín- suelen mover sus hojas en momentos de mucho sol, sobre todo al mediodía? Las disponen paradas, verticalmente. Dejan de estar horizontales y se ponen todas apuntando al cielo. ¿Será una forma de protegerse de los rayos solares fuertes?

Have you noticed that -at least this of which I speak, planted in the garden- usually move their leaves in times of much sun, especially at midday ? The leaves stay vertically. They are no longer horizontal and start pointing to the sky. Would it be a way to protect against strong sunlight?

Yes, Marcos. I noticed this. Pitangas can do the same, pointing their leafs down sometimes. I think it is indeed a way to protect against strong sunlight. :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: uvaia that stays as a bush, vs uvaia as a tree
« on: October 14, 2016, 10:56:24 AM »
Quote from: huertasurbanas on October 14, 2016, 07:31:08 AM
Cassio: it's strange, out backyard use to be very attacked by fruit flies (arazá rojo, guavas, feijoas, plums, etc.), but they never attack my uvaias... rare. It's sweet, so must be lutescens or a cross or another thing.

It´s really unespected! Fruit flies loves uvaias. You´re a lucky man!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: uvaia that stays as a bush, vs uvaia as a tree
« on: October 14, 2016, 07:03:25 AM »
Quote from: huertasurbanas on October 10, 2016, 03:37:43 PM
Also, the pulp of the uvaias I tasted was totally juicy and sweet with some fibers (http://www.huertasurbanas.com/2014/12/30/como-se-llama-la-fruta-que-cayo-del-arbol-hoy/), not firm at all as the image from this e. pyriformis:

http://www.fruitipedia.com/Images%202/Uvalha%20fruits.jpg

is that a sign that my uvaia could be e. lutescens? (they were allways light green, never dark green, and there are some of them that turn red with cold temps, while others never seem to turn red...)


I never saw an uvaia with a firm pulp like that! All that I know has the same appearance as yours.
And you´re in lucky! No fruit flies.

There is an uvaia var known as ingabaú, which is said to produce sweet fruits: http://frutasrarasadhemar.blogspot.com.br/2016/07/eugenia-beaurepairiana-uvaia-do.html. But yours don´t looks like that.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: uvaia that stays as a bush, vs uvaia as a tree
« on: October 10, 2016, 03:23:55 PM »
Quote from: huertasurbanas on October 10, 2016, 03:13:29 PM
Cassio! So you are sure these are not the same species? I should call e. lutescens to my bushy uvaias?

http://www.colecionandofrutas.org/eugenialutescens.htm

reading that Helton's page, now I am confused, because my big uvaia with bigger leaves, bears fruits with tiny white hairs as the lutescens... so maybe she was in fact a lutescens... or all my uvaias are lutescens...

" (com forma de ovo, só que a parte mais larga voltada para o ápice), brancas e livres. Os frutos são arredondados medindo 3 a 4 cm de diâmetro com casca amarela e pubescente (coberto de curtos pelos brancos) com polpa doce e saborosa envolvendo 1 ou mais raramente 2 sementes."

and it also grows slowly...


Yeah, like Helton said. Two vars. My lutescens has smaller leafs, light green color. Piryformis has bigger leafs, dark green. Lutescens grows slowlly, while piryformis is faster ;)
Both are in pots of the same size (50 cm tall, 30 cm in the mouth) and were bought in 2014, from different sellers.

About the fruits size, well, they vary to much, even in the same tree (at least piryformis). From 2,5 cm to 5cm in diameter. ;)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: first eugenia involucrata flowers
« on: October 10, 2016, 03:20:24 PM »
Marcos, Involucrata has to much genetic variation, what makes that a fruit from tree "A" can be totally different from the fruit of the tree "B". The shape can be rounded or oval, the color intense-red or dark-red, almost black. The size can vary from 2 to 4 cm, but the flavor is the worst... can be very sweet, acid, or just taste like water!!

I hope that you have at least one good cultivar between those trees. :)

Also, in my experience, I figured the flavor changes quickly after you harvest them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: uvaia that stays as a bush, vs uvaia as a tree
« on: October 10, 2016, 03:11:43 PM »
The true bush var is the Eugenia Lutescens.
The tree var is the Eugenia Piryformis.

The knowledge base says that Lutescens has smaller fruits, but more sweet.

I have both vars, but my lutescens is flowering for the first time just this year. ;)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticaba cutting rooting ?
« on: September 26, 2016, 12:14:42 PM »
Quote from: greenman62 on September 26, 2016, 05:50:20 AM
Quote from: huertasurbanas on September 24, 2016, 11:22:33 PM
Hi, is your jabo still alive?
the cutting ?
no, it bit the dust,
but it wasnt in any temp controlled, or moisture controlled setting
it was outside in the shade, but with nothing to keep moisture in.

i just cut 5 very small twigs from the trunk
and put them in water inside with a bag over the top.
none of them are looking good,
but i havent given up on them yet.

You can keep scions of jabo (from 1,5 to 2cm in diameter) alive for 2 months or more if you take off all the leafs and protect the base of the scions with damp cloth, wrapped by plastic kitchen, and put it in a closed plastic bag. You will see new leafs growing in a month. I did it many times, but never saw the scions forming roots.

This time I will do an experience: I have two of these bagged scions with me for now, for more than 2 months. Both scions are alive, and new leafs begun to grow. I´ll remove the bag and damp cloth next weekend, and pincel its basis with GA3. Later, I´ll put them in a pot covered with plastic bag and see how it evolves...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: old jaboticaba australia sabra
« on: September 26, 2016, 11:49:55 AM »
Quote from: huertasurbanas on September 24, 2016, 11:15:01 PM
Keep it comming!

Hey, the colour of the skin is somewhat red, was the fruit underripe? are sabaras allways red?

Marcos, rippen sabarás are completely black. ;)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia itaguahiensis
« on: September 26, 2016, 11:43:59 AM »
Quote from: huertasurbanas on September 23, 2016, 10:09:01 AM
Cassio: does dwarf grumixama fruits many times per year? I have one shrub, 2 years old or so.

Yes Marcos, they fruit at least two times a year. Each time, more fruits.
If yours is in 2 years old, must be close to fruit.

My seedlings are in containers, and a simple adubation that do a good effect is: boil the chopped bark of 6 bananas in one liter of water. Wait the temperature decrease to ambient condition, filter this mixture (take off the bark), and add one liter of water. Baste the plant. Bark of banana is rich in potassium, what will incentive the plant to fruitification.
I do this two times a month, and I think that I got good results. You can add milled eggshell too (calcium)  ;)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia itaguahiensis
« on: September 23, 2016, 07:08:06 AM »
Quote from: Don on September 20, 2016, 01:38:40 AM
Nice Adam. There's only one of mine with more than a few flowers but all of them have at least a couple. How pretty is the new foliage? All of them are loaded with blood red new growth.

As they age, you´ll have more and more flower and fruits each year. To my knowledge, the red new growth comes from Itaguahiensys. ;)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia itaguahiensis
« on: September 19, 2016, 03:05:29 PM »
Quote from: Don on September 16, 2016, 11:05:03 PM
Up to four plants flowering for first time now. Hope should be enough genetic difference to get a good pollination rate and get some fruit.

You can have fruits even if you have just one of them. Grumixamas don´t need cross polination. ;)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia itaguahiensis
« on: September 10, 2016, 09:57:25 PM »
Quote from: Don on September 09, 2016, 06:29:26 AM
That would be good cassio

Here it goes Don!
Dwarf Grumixama (Eugenia Itaguahiensis), fruiting for the third time in 18 months and a normal Grumixama (Eugenia Brasiliensis) fruiting for the first time. Both are in containers of 40 cm high by 30 cm in the "mouth" :) Hopefully, Brasiliensis will be the yellow var (thingers crossed).

Itaguahiensis


Brasiliensis


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New study says that Eugenia calycina and Eugenia involucrata are the same specie
« on: September 08, 2016, 03:01:18 PM »
Quote from: Miguel.pt on August 27, 2016, 02:04:33 AM
Quote from: Cassio on August 26, 2016, 11:48:57 AM

By the way... Miguel, your seeds still don´t germinated here! I´m sure they are all alive, but no roots until now.  :o

And I think I´ll have news for you soon. ;)


Hi Cassio

Don't you give up on those seeds yet... I have really good looking plants now from seeds that spent one year in storage breaking all rules regarding seed viability on myrtaceas. See this:
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=18688.msg233147#msg233147

At the same time I've been trowing away many seeds that sprout inside my storage plastic bags even without any medium whatsoever, and I've been informed that most of these calycina seeds I posted worldwide with some moist vermiculite arrive destination with roots formed... why don't you try to sprout some seeds like this (in a plastic bag with moist medium)?

Waiting for the good news.
thanks in advance.


Hi Miguel!
Last weekend, I was going to do what you suggested.
Carefully, I removed the soil over the seeds and.... SURPRISE!!! Four of the six had small roots.  8)
So, I carefully covered them and put a plastic bag around the pot.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia itaguahiensis
« on: September 08, 2016, 02:44:09 PM »
The flowers of Grumixma has a strong and good aroma. Bees will come in no time!
I have the dwarf grumixama and the normal grumixama. The dwarf is flowering for the third time, the normal grumixama is flowering by the first time (don´t know the fruit color of her).
Both are in pots. I´ll upload photos later. :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Quibrahacha Eugenia pseudopsidium Jacquin
« on: September 08, 2016, 02:38:07 PM »
Quote from: palologrower on June 08, 2015, 09:01:49 PM
the fruits look kinda like a red grumichamma, but beyond that I don' tknow what to expect taste wise, let alone worth getting. I figure someone on here must have tried it.


The fruit is more appeared to Eugenia Cuprea than to Grumixama (E. Brasiliensis):  ;)
Look: http://www.colecionandofrutas.org/eugeniacuprea.htm

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: GUABIJÚ - Myrcianthes pungens
« on: September 01, 2016, 10:03:37 AM »
From seed, Guabiju usually takes at least 6 years to fruit. ;)
There are reports of dwarf vars that can fruit in 03 years, but is hard to find one of these! Personally, I have no lucky.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Anyone have plinia coronata seeds aka giant jaboticaba
« on: August 29, 2016, 12:44:20 PM »
Well, about seeds (from Brazil) you can ask Ricardo (RICBITAR). He surelly has this tree. ;)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New study says that Eugenia calycina and Eugenia involucrata are the same specie
« on: August 29, 2016, 12:41:02 PM »
Same group as Grumixama?!?! Never mind!
So, a instance of convergent evolution looks like the right place. :)

Quote from: Mango Stein on August 27, 2016, 02:45:44 AM
Quote from: Cassio on August 26, 2016, 11:48:57 AM
Hummmm.... So Guapijuim (http://www.colecionandofrutas.org/eugeniacereja.htm) must be "in the same boat". Also, an involucrata var. :)
By the way... Miguel, your seeds still don´t germinated here! I´m sure they are all alive, but no roots until now.  :o

And I think I´ll have news for you soon. ;)


Mariana Bunger (author of study) assured me that E. cereja is not in the involucrata group but in the brasiliensis (grumichama) group. So I am not sure whether Helton's pic is correct, or whether E. cereja is just perhaps an instance of convergent evolution.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New study says that Eugenia calycina and Eugenia involucrata are the same specie
« on: August 26, 2016, 04:00:43 PM »
Quote from: huertasurbanas on August 26, 2016, 02:25:40 PM
Cassio, very rare that eugenia cereja: what differences there would be with the common eugenia involucrata?

I am lost with all these eugenias... and dont know what species I have...

Marcos, is hard to point real differences between the vars... I have 2 seedlings of what we can call involucrata :
1- It´s over 1,80 m tall and never flowered nor fruited
2- a dwarf var in 60 cm tall, which I got in june of 2016. The seller said me it can fruit still this year. Let´s see.

Appart of the leaf size variation (questionable) between these vars, I can´t point any real difference!!!

As a side note, the same occurs with Condolleana, which I have 2 seedlings too:
1- It´s over 1,80 m tall and never flowered nor fruited
2- It´s about 80 cm tall and already flowered 3 times and fruited 2 times.

As pointed about the involucrata, appart of the leaf size variation (questionable) between these vars, and more branches in the dwarf var, I can´t point any real difference!!!

 :o :o :o

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