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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Largest leaved tropical fruit trees
« on: March 02, 2018, 10:33:00 PM »
What tropical fruit trees (not just general non-fruit-bearing tropicals) have nice looking large leaves?  The one that comes to mind, though I don't know about the fruit, is Passiflora macrophylla, but I think it might be too tropical to be grown in SoCal (10b/11a) which is where I'd like to grow them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / North-facing hillsides
« on: March 01, 2018, 03:10:59 AM »
I'm curious what folks think of North-facing hillsides (that is, the hill goes down as you go North, here in California) for tropical fruit growing.  My concern is that in the middle of winter there will be less light because of shade from the hill.  The area I'm interested in is ideal otherwise in terms of microclimate (probably zone 10b/11a and quite hot in the summer) but it has a North-facing hillside that I worry won't allow enough light for some tropicals in the winter.  Does anyone know whether this is an issue, and if so for which tropical fruits?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Wanted: Lucuma seeds
« on: October 25, 2017, 11:47:02 AM »
I'm looking for 2-3 lucuma seeds for a public garden I'm planting in Albany, California.  Let me know if you have some -- thanks!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Artocarpus rootstock in California
« on: September 03, 2017, 03:12:56 PM »
I'm curious if anyone in California has figured out which Artocarpus is the most vigorous for use as rootstock.  Right now I'm growing seedlings of Jackfruit, Wild Jack, and Kwai Muk, and of the three Wild Jack (A. hirsutus) grows the fastest for me.  I haven't tried grafting any Artocarpus yet, and I've heard in general it can be a bit tricky, but I'm willing to try if one might be a good rootstock for some of the more rare Artocarpus species that generally don't do well in our climate.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Best Jaboticaba for Southern California?
« on: August 21, 2017, 10:12:45 PM »
What might be the best Jaboticaba varieties and/or cultivars for Southern California?  The main criteria for me, in order from most important to least important, are: productivity, flavor, fruit size, some drought tolerance, alkaline soil tolerance.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Best tasting Inga?
« on: July 19, 2017, 11:44:39 AM »
I've been curious what folks think are the best tasting Inga species / varieties.  I've tried a few different types but have never been sure about the differences in flavor between species, especially when grown in California.  And the labeling for this genus seems pretty bad -- most folks who I know who are growing it don't know the species.  Anyone have thoughts on which species produce the best tasting pulp?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Wanted: fresh cacao pods
« on: December 22, 2016, 10:00:12 AM »
Hi there,

Anyone in Hawaii willing to sell a few fresh cacao pods?

Life has been busy lately but I wanted to resurface to ask about this.

Thanks!

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I'm hoping to get some more Mexican-type avocado seeds as rootstock, and am hoping that someone in the hotter areas of California has some right now, of an early-fruiting variety (Duke? Zutano? Mexicola? others?).  I don't care about the fruit, so it can be dropped fruit or damaged fruit that you'd toss -- just would like some seeds.  I don't need many -- 10 or 15 would probably be plenty.

(If you're wondering, this is for the public fruit tree planting I started in the bay area -- most of my avocados from last year have germinated, but a few didn't so I want to fill in the gaps.)

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I remember a while back some folks were looking for a source for Black Ugni (Ugni myricoides).  I now have a bunch of fruit/seeds -- I'd be happy to share it with anyone who's interested.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Starfruit summer drought tolerance?
« on: July 13, 2016, 02:53:47 PM »
I'm curious if any folks in dry-summer areas (like California, the Mediterranean, parts of Australia, etc.) have grown startfruit in the ground without irrigation, and how well it handles it.  I have a couple of starfruit trees in 15 gallon pots that have been doing well outside (when I keep them protected from the wind) and I'm debating whether to put them in the ground.  One I grafted to Kari, the other I grafted to Mark Lee's selection -- thanks Mark!  (Mark's selection is growing the fastest of the two.)

However I don't want to have to irrigate them in the summer after the first year.  We get something like 25 inches of rain here (El Cerrito/Albany California) on average (give or take), all in the winter, and the temperatures are mild in the summer.  It's easy to dry farm many other fruits here, but I don't know about Starfruit.  The nice thing about Starfruit, if it's possible, is that it's not a high-sugar fruit, and that gives me some hope that despite our mild weather (not many growing degree days) it'd be possible to grow decent tasting fruit.

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I've been growing many different cultivars of P. edulis and P. edulis var. flavicarpa (along with other Passiflora species) and have noticed something odd recently.

I've been trying out a bunch of Australian cultivars of P. edulis / P. edulis var. flavicarpa that I've grown from seed -- Misty Gem, Sweetheart, Panama Gold, Panama Red, Pandora, and some others that are mystery varieties.  But I haven't had any luck with the Australian varieties -- only one -- Misty Gem -- flowered last year, and the fruit it produced never ripened properly.  In general they grow much slower than the non-Australian varieties -- I'm growing several Californian varieties (Frederick, Red Rover, Black Knight) and a Hawaiian flavicarpa all of which flower and fruit fine for me.

Recently I noticed that the Australian varieties all have reddish/purple stems whereas my other ones have greenish stems.  Anyone know what might be going on here?  Are the Australian varieties I grew from seed all the product of some sort of undesirable cross-pollination?  Or is this the product of breeding / selection that has gone on in Australia?  Or something else?  Anyone outside of Australia had any luck with Australian varieties?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Smallest good-tasting mango cultivar?
« on: June 24, 2016, 05:53:15 PM »
I'm curious what mango variety/varieties have the smallest sized fruit while still having a good pulp/seed ratio and good flavor.  (The tree doesn't need to be small -- actually a vigorous tree is good -- just the fruit.)

I ask because I'm trying to find good varieties to try in milder CA locations where the accumulated heat may not be enough to ripen larger fruited varieties.  (This general approach seems to work in many other types of fruit, so my hope is it will be true for mangoes as well.)

Edited to add: Just to clarify, I'm really looking for good cultivars here, not just random seedling trees that happen to produce small fruit.  Ataulfos can be pretty small, but I'm hoping there are ones that are smaller and with better flavor and better pulp/seed ratios.

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I realized that each year we discuss what time of year we each get fruit harvests in our own gardens, but that information gets lost.  Seeing Jeff's thread, I realized it'd be great to collect all that knowledge to be able to see what harvest is happening in different places around the world.

So, I've put together a survey to try to collect that information, for those of you who'd like to participate.

Here's the survey -- feel free to pop on over there and share as much or as little as you'd like:

http://goo.gl/forms/UKsYRubQLpciqOhX2

Basically you just type in for a given month which fruits you're harvesting then.  For example, if in May you can harvest Lemon Zest Mangoes and Mysore Bananas, in the entry for "May Harvest" below you would type (one per line, so hit enter after each):

Mango, Lemon Zest
Banana, Mysore

If you can harvest some specific fruit in more than one month, include it multiple times, in each month that's appropriate.

After we get some submissions, I'll put together a website compiling all the data to show all the wonderful fruit harvests folks are getting all over the world at different times of the year.  Maybe if we get enough submissions I can even have the website provide suggestions if you are looking to add new varieties to your collection.

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Just wanted to unofficially let everyone know about the upcoming Diablo Valley College plant sale: Friday, May 13 from 2-5pm and Saturday, May 14 from 9am-1pm (The Golden Gate CRFG chapter meeting at DVC will be at noon of the Saturday sale).  The students have been propagating many veggies, fruits, greens, herbs, and ornamentals -- there'll be a wide selection.  Some of what I've been propagating will be available, listed below.  All proceeds support the DVC horticulture program.  The address is 321 Golf Club Road, Pleasant Hill, CA -- directions and the latest info are here:

http://www.dvc.edu/events/garden/greenhouse-sale.html

I've also started a project to create an officially sanctioned, public rare fruit orchard here in the East Bay.  The basic idea is to have a public collection both for CRFG and to introduce the broader community to the fruits.  It's taken two years to get things approved, but I've finally started planting.  In some ways it will be similar to Prusch Park in San Jose and can serve as our local germplasm for scion exchanges.  The focus will be on uncommon Avocado varieties and other fruits that struggle in the winter in Prusch Park so that the two collections complement one another.  I'll be talking about this project at the Saturday CRFG meeting.

I sent the list below to the Golden Gate and Monterey Bay CRFG chapters, but thought some folks here on the forum might be interested (and some of these are thanks to seed from some of you here on the forum -- Oscar, Raul, Berto, Luc, Ajesh, Vipin, Adam).

Here's most of what I've propagated that will be at the sale (some only in limited quantities) -- everything on the list has been tested in my rooftop garden for hardiness:

Araca-Una (Psidium eugeniaefolia)
Bird Plum (Berchemia discolor) -- limited
Black Sapote (Diospyros nigra) -- limited
Cape Gooseberry (Physalis peruviana)
Capulin Cherry (Prunus salicifolia)
Catherine's Find Elaeagnus (Elaeagnus sp.) -- limited
Chachafruto (Erythrina edulis) -- limited
Cherry Mangosteen (Garcinia intermedia)
Cherry of the Rio Grande (Eugenia involucrata)
Coffee (Coffea arabica, Nana, Kona, and Jamaican types)
Grimal Jaboticaba (Myrciaria sp.) -- limited
Grumichama (Eugenia brasiliensis, yellow and black types) -- limited
Guabiju (Myrcianthes pungens)
Guamuchil (Pithecellobium dulce, red and white types)
Guava (Psidium guajava, Egyptian, white, and red types) -- *plentiful*
Guaya (Melicoccus sp., sweeter relative of Melicoccus bijugatus) -- limited
Ice Cream Bean (Inga sp.) -- limited
Jamaica Cherry (Muntingia calabura)
Lemon Guava (Psidium littorale)
Limoncillo (Garcinia sp., unofficially Garcinia vleerackerii)
Lucuma (Pouteria lucuma)
Mango (various grafted, some on double rootstock) -- limited
Marula (Sclerocarya birrea var. caffra) -- limited
Pakistan Mulberry (Morus alba)
Passionfruit (grafted Passiflora alata on P. caerulea rootstock, grafted P. venusta on P. caerulea rootstock, P. ligularis, P. edulis "Red Rover") -- limited
Pineapple (Ananas comosus "Kona Sugarloaf")
Pitangatuba (Eugenia neonitida) -- limited
Rainforest Plum (Eugenia candolleana)
Rose Apple (Syzygium jambos)
So Shan (Elaeagnus latifolia) -- limited
Starapple (Chrysophyllum cainito, giant purple type)
Surinam Cherry (Eugenia uniflora, smooth and regular types)
Sweet Madrono (Garcinia madruno)
Tree Tomato (Solanum betaceum, red and orange types)
White Sapote (various grafted) -- limited
Wild Jack (Artocarpus hirsutus) -- limited
Wild Starapple (Chrysophyllum oliviforme) -- limited

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Several months back I grafted P. alata and P. venusta on P. caerulea rootstock and since then have growing them out.  The goal was to impart greater cold weather tolerance to those species and to get them to grow faster even when the weather isn't very warm.

I know that there's the "Nellie Kelly" grafted passionfruits in Australia that use P. caerulea as rootstock for this same reason:

http://www.nelliekelly.com.au/grafted-black-passionfruit.html

What I've been seeing, though, is that these plants aren't growing any faster than the plants on their own roots.  They're in large containers (15 gallon pots) but are growing slowly.  Does anyone know what sort of growing conditions I should give to the P. caerulea rootstock to get it to grow faster?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Tropical fruit farms in So Cal?
« on: April 26, 2016, 06:51:13 AM »
I'm going to be in So Cal in June and was wondering if anyone knows of farms or fruit stands that sell locally grown tropical fruits -- fruit like starfruit, lychee, longan, non-standard passionfruit, jaboticaba, mango, papaya, sapodilla, guava, etc.

There are a few shops around here that sell imported tropical fruits but the fruit is usually not very good given the distance it has traveled.

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I've been hoping to try growing one of the seedless Guava varieties such as Siam seedless or Indonesian seedless.  If anyone is growing one of these and has a tree that is on its own roots (not grafted), I would love to get some root cuttings to try propagating.

Thanks!

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I'm still hoping to get in touch with someone in Colombia or Ecuador to get seeds of Passiflora popenovii (Granadilla de Quijos).  From what I've read, this is the season for it, so I'm hoping to not miss the opportunity to get some seeds this year.  If you know anyone in Colombia especially, I would be grateful if you could send me a PM and put me in touch and I can ask them about it -- apparently it's available in some markets, so it's not necessary that they grow the fruit themselves.

Thanks!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Fastest way to push Surinam Cherry growth?
« on: March 24, 2016, 11:05:49 PM »
I have several small Surinam Cherry plants I've put in a recently sheet mulched area where they won't get much care (from me or anyone), and I'm wondering how to really push their growth as fast as I can over the next few months.  I'd like them to put down deep roots to find their own water and to put out tall growth so that people don't step on them.  Also, the grass appears to trying to come back, so I'd like the plants to establish before the grass overtakes them.

Is foliar feeding the best approach?  If so, what's the best mixture for the fastest growth (and how should it be applied)?  Does pH matter?

Thanks!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Cherimoya vs. Atemoya growth rate?
« on: March 13, 2016, 10:59:37 AM »
I'm new to growing Annonas, and am curious what people have found in terms of growth rates of Cherimoya vs. Atemoya generally.  I'm also curious which combinations (C on C rootstock, C on A rootstock, A on C rootstock, and A on A rootstock) seems the fastest growing.  Given my location, I'm mostly interested in this for California, both coastal/mild locations and hotter/more variable inland locations.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / How true are Guavas from seed?
« on: February 21, 2016, 12:57:24 PM »
I recently started a couple hundred guava seeds -- thanks to Patrick -- and for better or worse they basically all germinated.  So I now have a couple hundred guava seedlings.  They're all seeds from good fruit that he grows.

How true are Guavas from seed?  Or even if not true from seed, generally will a seedling from a good fruit produce good (or at least decent) fruit?  I have some seedling Guava trees that produce okay but not great fruit, but it's hard for me to evaluate whether the issue is the trees or my climate not having enough growing heat.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Multi-rootstock avocados?
« on: February 16, 2016, 12:05:05 AM »
There's been a lot of great discussion about multi-rootstock trees in other threads, but I haven't seen much discussion of multi-rootstocking of avocados.

My motivation for multi-rootstocking avocados is mostly to produce a stronger tree that can withstand greater drought (at least I'm hoping that's the case).  My secondary motivation is that it might produce a more precocious and dwarf tree, but I don't know if it'll have that effect.

I've tried it a couple of times (last year) by approach grafting two Avocado seedlings (one Mexicola seedling and one Zutano seedling) together and then grafting on the top of the main one.  One one graft of this sort took, but after some time both the rootstocks showed some sort of incompatibility where there was a constricted band below the approach-graft union, almost as if I had tied some tape around each of them too tightly.  Eventually the tree died.  I haven't tried Simon's single cleft on two rootstocks approach (which has worked for me as well with Mangos).

Has anyone tried it, and what method was successful?  Did it matter what rootstocks were used?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Productive subtropical windbreak trees?
« on: January 22, 2016, 11:15:28 PM »
I'm curious what subtropical windbreak trees folks think are worth planting that also have some secondary productive use.  I'm most interested in a frost-free or mostly frost-free subtropical dry-summer climate with 20-25 in. of annual rainfall, since that's the conditions around here, but others as well.  I'd love to plant tougher fruit trees as windbreaks for the less-tough fruit trees, but non-fruits are fine as well.  To me a windbreak tree is one that can handle basically anything and doesn't need a lot of care, and has moderately-dense foliage throughout the year.

I've also seen recommendations that it's good to make windbreaks double layered, with one set of taller species and a mix of shorter species in front.

Here are some that I've been considering planting as windbreaks:

Guamuchil -- N-fixer, drought tolerant, fast growing, produces pods
Bunya pine / Monkey puzzle -- drought tolerant, medium-fast growing, produces nuts
Jojoba -- drought tolerant, shrubby, oil producing
Loquat -- fast growing, drought tolerant, fruiting
Vetiver grass -- very deep rooted, medium height, non spreading, aromatic roots
White sapote? -- very tough trees, productive, drought tolerant, etc., but a bit lanky, so I'm not sure
Macadamia? -- can be tough, but not very fast growing, and likes more water

Are there any Ingas that folks have found to be particularly fast growing and drought tolerant in these conditions?  Are there other fruit trees that are good as windbreaks?  Trees that are good to coppice or for other uses?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Most productive perennial legume?
« on: January 17, 2016, 07:02:50 PM »
I'm curious if folks have opinions on the most productive perennial legumes, in terms of edible yield (say by weight or calories per acre).  There are a number of leguminous trees but not all of the seeds/beans from them are edible.

Carob, Chachafruto, Mesquite, Pigeon Pea, and Ice Cream Bean are all possibilities, though I don't have a sense of their comparative yields (and not all parts of the pods are edible in all of them).

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Anyone have Inga seeds at this time?
« on: December 23, 2015, 01:56:50 AM »
I know it's not the right season for Ingas in many places, but I was wondering if anyone (especially in California) has Inga seeds at the moment.  (Any species, but Inga feuilleei is probably best.)  Thanks!

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