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Very interesting!  I'm curious how you got the seeds / fruit in California, how fresh the seeds are right now, and what elevation / climate they grow in.

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Ah, thanks -- that makes sense.

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Luc, I don't have any, unfortunately, but I am curious what you plan to do.  Is E. florida hardier or more vigorous and you'd like to use it as rootstock for something else?  (And why E. florida rather than other Eugenias?)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mammea time, spring fruit
« on: March 22, 2018, 02:17:07 AM »
Spring time/Mamey apple time here, having fun tasting many different ones but this particular variety has been my favourite for decades. Some pics of the fruit peeled and cut up. The seeds come out of this one with our any hassle. All around goodness






What's the flavor like and how well does it seem to like growing in San Diego (is that where you are?).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafted Luc's garcinia onto Imbe
« on: March 20, 2018, 11:16:25 AM »
I've had good takes of Mexican Garcinia on Achachairu and intermedia.  Haven't gotten it to push any new growth after the first pair of leaves, but it's a slow grower so I guess it'll take time...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rats Started Eating My Papayas
« on: March 19, 2018, 07:07:47 PM »
I agree cats are amazing.  I'm curious, do you feed your outdoor cats?  Or are they able to survive on just the rodents and other things they catch?  Also, do you give them flea/tick treatment?

Hate to break it to you, but if you see one rat then there's another 50 waiting somewhere else to forage your garden.
I had the same issue with rodents for several years, spent thousands, literally thousands of dollars on rodent control.

- Exterminators
- Live traps
- Sticky Traps
- Planks
- Water cannons
- Ultrasonic
- Alarms
- Pneumatic rods
The list goes on

Killed dozens a week and they keep coming and coming in swarms.
Literally at night you can hear them chewing on your trees making a new nest.
These aren't small rats, they're large Norwegian roof rats, tail girth is the size of your pinky finger, easily a 2-3 pounder.

During the day, it's squirrels...

Then I introduced 2 feral cats, amazing animals.
Best of all they were free!!!

Came to my scheduled appointment to pick them up at the animal shelter.
- Received all shots (They put down animals infected with rabies)
- Spayed or neutered
- Carriers and toiletry
- Microchipped
- You have a guarantee, if you do not like them return them no questions asked

I spent a few months taming and training them, but you'd have to keep them enclosed for a few weeks.
I took the time and patience to raise mine and it paid off handsomely.

Now, when I'm in the garden, the cats just curl up next to me, sleep or lay in the pots without digging any holes.
I leave 2 litter boxes, 1 on each end of the house.
It's a great feeling knowing you can grow anything and not have rodents eat everything down to a nub.

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Forgive me for the noob question but how do I hand pollinate Passiflora?

Is it recommend to use flowers from one plant to pollinate another or can I use flowers from the same plant?

I just rip off the anthers from a flower or two and rub them on the stigmas.  Normal P. edulis is generally self-fertile.  P. edulis flavicarpa is not quite as self fertile, just as P. alata and others, so crossing is better.  Many Passiflora species can pollinate each other.

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The batches of Australian passionfruits I got from various U.S. based vendors were all duds -- while most germinated, they were strange P. edulis plants (they had red stems, which was weird for P. edulis) and didn't ever flower or fruit, even in a greenhouse.

i have an Edulis, about 4yrs old with red stems.
 i get a few flowers here and there, no fruit.
pretty sure i bought it as "Purple possum", maybe they grew it from seed ?

glad to know they can graft, i might keep the root which is larger than my wrist now.

i just grew another edulis too. 1 1/2 yrs last fall, had tons of flowers, no fruit.

ive grown Maypop (Incarnata) 4 times from seed... , got fruit every single time.
once, the vine was only 5ft tall in a 3gal pot, produced 1 very tasty fruit.
Maypop is also more cold hardy than edulis... it is vigorous, and can sucker though.
Maypop grows wild on the gulf coast. (i think a type of bananna passi does to)

and i think that is a trick to make them flower/fruit is to constrict the roots.
i would use a 7 to 15gal container.

I have 2 maypop growing from seed now... still kinda small for cuttings
but PM me in a month or 2 , i will propagate 4 or 5 just in case.


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I did get a batch of Australian seed from a forum member that is doing well and just flowered for the first time, so we'll see how that does.

   None of the banana passionfruits of other types I've had are worthwhile.

let us know about the Aussie types
the hot climate might be a better match of me in South Louisiana

i just bought bananna passi seeds
is the fruit that bad ? ive read it was good, just not as good as flavicarpa, ligularis.

here my edulis / possum purple (red stems - no fruit)




Maypop vine + flowers.



Your red-stem edulis looks exactly like the "Australian" seedlings I got when I grew seeds from U.S. vendors like Georgia Vines, and I never got fruit or flowers.

As for banana passionfruit -- it's a broad category that covers many of the tacsonias, and some of them are good, like P. antioquiensis or "Mission Dolores", but they are among the rarer ones.  The more common banana passionfruits that grow around Northern California are bland or sour.  I'm not sure antio would be well suited to Southern Louisiana.

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Thanks Barath. Wish I yard is larger to plant more PF vines. Wonder if I can acquire a few cuttings from you.

Am practicing PF vine grafting and will find out if those take.

Sure -- I'd be happy to share.  Remind me later this year.

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The group of granadilla such as Sweet Granadilla (passiflora ligularis) , Fragrant Granadilla (passiflora alata), and Giant Granadilla (passiflora quadrangularis)  taste much better than passiflora edulis.

I'm not sure I agree, but I guess everyone has different taste in these things.  P. ligularis and P. alata are pretty tasty but their seeds are annoying and don't taste good (moreso than P. edulis seeds).

I think P. laurifolia is the best I've tasted...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Multi-rootstock avocados?
« on: March 15, 2018, 02:38:16 PM »
I had a double rootstock avocado die when I did it with an approach graft.  I had Mexicola and Zutano seedlings in a large pot together and approach grafted them.  It did fine for a while, and then I grafted a Greengold scion on the top (which was the Zutano top).  Eventually, though, the area just above the approach graft started showing weird growth restriction, almost like it got restricted by a tight string.  Eventually it died.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Multi-rootstock avocados?
« on: March 15, 2018, 12:19:41 PM »
Just wanted to add my experience with a double rootstock Sharwil.  I did something like a double stone graft with a double width Sharwil scion, and it has been growing well, but strangely -- short internode spacing, and now, just about 9 months after grafting, at a height of maybe 1.5 feet, it's flowering heavily.  So it does seem to impart precocity and change the growth pattern.

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Thanks Barath. For SoCal what’s your top 5?

Spaugh, I have Fredrick and young Blight Knight vine. Trying to graft BK to Fredrick. How does red rover taste and is it vigorous? Fredrick is very rigorous but is a little too tart to me.

I think it depends on taste.  I think P. edulis still is the best all round passionfruit we can grow in California.  I imagine the Australian varieties are better, but for us Red Rover, Black Knight, and Frederick are all worth growing, as are sweet selections of Lilikoi.  You might also try Mission Dolores if you live in a coastal area of SoCal and P. alata if you are frost free and inland with more heat.

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barath, I just saw this thread for the first time.  Wow you have quite the collection of passionfruit.  I would be interested in acquiring cuttings from you if they are available.  I have a "red rover" edulis and fredrick and a baby lilikoi that is still getting started in the greenhouse.  The red rovers seem better than fredrick so far but plants are still less than 1 year old. 

What part of southern CA are you moving to?

Sure, I'd be happy to share.  I'm moving to the LA area (still looking, so I don't know exactly where).

I realized I didn't update on all of my experiments in my reply above.  Here are a few of the others:

Black Knight -- the fruits are good but the vine is just not vigorous enough.  I mostly gave up on it.

P. edulis flavicarpa Sweet Lilikoi -- it's a nice variety I got and I've been really happy to get fruit from it once in a while.  It's required hand pollination because it's not self fertile and it seems to flower on a different schedule than my normal P. edulis plants.

P. ligularis -- I gave up on this because it was too wind sensitive (and also sensitive to full sun).  Probably worth trying in the shade of a big tree in SoCal.

P. laurifolia -- my vines of this are enormous but have been indoors for years at this point.  I'd probably take cuttings and graft them on Frederick for trying in SoCal.

P. quadrangularis -- I gave up on this because it was a bit too tropical and I haven't heard good things about the fruit.

P. maliformis -- never got this to flower even in a greenhouse.

P. pinnatistipula -- fruit was small and not very tasty.

P. ambigua -- never got this to germinate.

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The batches of Australian passionfruits I got from various U.S. based vendors were all duds -- while most germinated, they were strange P. edulis plants (they had red stems, which was weird for P. edulis) and didn't ever flower or fruit, even in a greenhouse.

I did get a batch of Australian seed from a forum member that is doing well and just flowered for the first time, so we'll see how that does.

As for other Passifloras, P. alata did well for me and flowered a ton and fruited a bit (with hand pollination), and the fruit was good.  I also got P. nigradenia to flower, but it didn't like the cold winter -- it might do better in San Diego.

I haven't had good luck with tacsonias but the locations I was growing them in the East Bay were probably a bit too warm in the summer.  I have had very good P. antioquiensis fruit grown here by others in the East Bay in near total shade, and I think generally it's a good one to grow in mild coastal California areas (along with "Mission Dolores").  None of the banana passionfruits of other types I've had are worthwhile.

I also have had good luck with grafting Passifloras -- I have generally used P. caerulea as rootstock for the more tropical ones, and it does help their growth, but P. caerulea suckers too much so I wouldn't recommend it.  In San Diego, "Frederick" might be a good rootstock for many of the more tropical Passifloras -- I'm moving to SoCal soon and plan to use it as rootstock.

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I should add -- I've had the notion that White Sapote is probably the highest yield of calories per acre of any fruit crop that can be grown in California, and maybe other subtropical areas.

Though I imagine in the tropics Jackfruit and other crops would beat it.

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There's a giant White Sapote at Clausen Nursery in North San Diego county that's easily 40 feet tall and 30 feet in diameter, and carpets the ground in white sapotes.  No idea the actual yield but it's enormous.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Surinam cherry leaves turning red.
« on: March 09, 2018, 12:32:39 AM »
I think so -- mine always turn red in the winter here in the bay area.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting citrus in a bath tub
« on: March 06, 2018, 08:19:58 PM »
Oh, I should have added -- when you plant, mix in a giant trash can of used coffee grounds (from a local coffee shop) into the tree trimmings.  The citrus will love it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting citrus in a bath tub
« on: March 06, 2018, 08:18:11 PM »
Depends on how long you have before planting.  I've had really good luck in similar hard California rocky clay with cover crop remediation.  Basically soak the soil (like you've done), poke thin long holes in the ground to loosen (using a soil auger or something that can do the same job), and then plant daikon radish, fava beans, and other deep rooted cover crops.  In a few months, chop everything flat and then plant your trees.  You can also add about a foot of tree trimming mulch to the top when you plant so that you build new topsoil.

It's time consuming but not nearly as much effort as actually manually loosening the soil with a pick or machinery.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Largest leaved tropical fruit trees
« on: March 03, 2018, 10:14:45 AM »
If it's like the picture in this link, then yeah much larger than Breadfruit.. I still want Pedalai, even more now seeing the leaves are so beautiful.
https://plant.daleysfruit.com.au/l/attractive-artocarpus-1165.jpeg
I think pedalai is the no1.

How does pedalai compare in terms of cold tolerance vs. breadfruit?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Largest leaved tropical fruit trees
« on: March 03, 2018, 10:13:55 AM »
Neither are trees but coco yam and banana might be worth considering if you are after the large leaf tropical look.

Ah, yes.  Bananas are definitely in the plan...not sure about taro, but might be worth trying.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Largest leaved tropical fruit trees
« on: March 03, 2018, 10:13:01 AM »



how about chupa-chupa? it has really big leaves and looking good.

I wonder if anyone has been successful in growing chupa-chupa in California.  I got some seeds of it years ago but struggled with germination, so I never got to try it out.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: North-facing hillsides
« on: March 02, 2018, 10:33:58 PM »
Hmm, ok.  I'm going to have to rethink this one...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Largest leaved tropical fruit trees
« on: March 02, 2018, 10:33:00 PM »
What tropical fruit trees (not just general non-fruit-bearing tropicals) have nice looking large leaves?  The one that comes to mind, though I don't know about the fruit, is Passiflora macrophylla, but I think it might be too tropical to be grown in SoCal (10b/11a) which is where I'd like to grow them.

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