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Interesting, thanks.  I had read that C-35 produces a smaller tree -- do you find it does that by slowing growth or just maxes out at a smaller size?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Subtropical abiu relatives?
« on: June 06, 2018, 05:47:50 PM »
Ah, interesting, thanks!  Now I just need to find a source for C. imperiale.  I got some seeds from Australia a few years back but they rotted in the mail.

Do the leaves smell like pee?
If so it may me Tamarillo.


I think mine smell like burnt popcorn, but yeah, they have a smell.

I guess I should add -- if anyone knows of which cultivars / species seem to be showing some HLB resistance as rootstock, that would be great as well...

Anyone know what seeds to start from to grow vigorous and productive citrus seedlings to graft onto?  I don't want a dwarf and slow growing tree for oranges, lemons, grapefruits, and other citrus but rather want fast growing and productive trees at the risk of them getting too large.  Any thoughts on what seeds I should plant (and maybe it varies depending on what I want to graft, so I'd be interested in ones for oranges, lemons, and grapefruit)?  This is for SoCal.

I don't think it's a that one sahai. The leaves are totally different. I thought it might be a So-Shang fruit tree, I definitely tried to germinate seeds of that fruit but the leaves look too light, and not robust and glossy enough. Plus the fruit is not elliptical.

It doesn't look like any Elaeagnus to me so yeah, I agree probably not So-Shang.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Subtropical abiu relatives?
« on: June 06, 2018, 09:59:29 AM »
The closest relative with better cold hardiness is Chrysophyllum imperiale, the fruit seem very similar.
Should grow in 10a zone, maybe 9b too. There are very few specimen so it's impossible to know the real limit.

I had thought of C. imperiale as more closely related to starapple, but it would be interesting to see if they're compatible.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Subtropical abiu relatives?
« on: June 06, 2018, 12:30:34 AM »
What relatives in Pouteria are the closest subtropical relatives of abiu?  I remember Oscar had some highland abiu relatives at one point -- are there others, even ones that are a bit more distant?  I assume lucuma, canistel, etc. are not very closely related but happy to be wrong about that.

I have some dark surinam cherry cultivars (Black Star, Lolita), and a funny seedless one selected by a CRFG member in Davis, and will be moving to SoCal soon.  If you have a seedling to graft onto I could give you some scions.

Apologies for the necro bump, but does anyone have any recommendations on where to purchase copper hydroxide to make the homemade version of Microkote? Unfortunately the links from are long dead and I'm having some difficulty sourcing it.

We got it on ebay if I remember right.

Well Ive never seen any thorns on any Elaeagnus so I wonder if I have a So Shang. Are the thorns only on mature wood?

Not sure I've looked carefully.  I will check mine.

I'm curious how they treat lychee -- is it hot water treated or irradiated or nothing?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Indian Mango season 2018
« on: May 29, 2018, 11:23:06 PM »
I feel it has a lot to do with the rootstocks but in terms of what little we know about Indian varieties grown in roughly coastal inland areas, my friend has a productive Bombay and Kesar and Jumbo Kesar seem pretty disease resistant and sets a good amount of fruit. Another friend has Neelam and Mallika that is productive.


Interesting -- thanks!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Indian Mango season 2018
« on: May 29, 2018, 10:58:18 PM »
Slightly off topic, but which Indian type mango cultivars seem to do the best for folks in SoCal a medium distance from the ocean (7-8 miles inland)?  (In terms of vigor, productivity, and disease resistance.)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: May 29, 2018, 03:30:55 PM »
There is 50-100 year old Avocado tree's all over Santa Cruz and 1 commercial farm I know of, I mention for fact only not recommendation , " Abounding Harvest"  ::)

Huge MacNuts in SC too, but not surprised we are not represented on the Map. I think that map is 1/2 truth accurate on the most general of scales.

 California Avocado demission seems like a glorified Guacamole lobbyist group.

Cost of land where they grow well often makes a new investment into the Avocado Orchard game not that smart, unless your banking on long term, and then one good freeze and your screwed.

I've been solely managing a 10 year old Avocado and Citrus Orchard here on about 1 acre. Growing well except idiot landowners keep cutting off the water at all the wrong times and now they sliced up my irrigation lines to install a new 2" main to feed their stupid 5 acres of grapes they just put in. California does not need 1 more stupid grape vine planted anywhere! You see them everywhere in CA spreading like a legal pot growing cash cow.

Interesting about the orchard there.  I'm surprised irrigation is needed in Santa Cruz for a 10 year old orchard -- you get a seemingly-perfect amount of rain for avocados to live off of once established.

Brokaw has a big orchard in the Soledad area (and I assume they're not the only ones) that is also not reflected in the chart...

Since the articles about this variety say it's from China, not an Australian-originated cultivar, does anyone know if it can or has already been brought to the US?  Might be nice to get a few sticks of it to graft from someone in Australia or China.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: P. alata passion fruit
« on: May 28, 2018, 09:09:35 PM »
I know you can hand pollinate them. I got maybe 15 different kinds that have fruit seeing what will fruit without hand pollination . And have good fruit. And yes I have 2 self fruitful plants

Oh, nice.  A self-fruitful P. alata would be nice.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: P. alata passion fruit
« on: May 28, 2018, 07:38:36 PM »
My P. alata (started from seed) seemed to need cross pollination -- I'd be interested to find out if there are self-fertile varieties.  I hand pollinated using Lilikoi, mostly because it has plenty of flowers at all times for me to use as a pollen source.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jamie Rose Avocado
« on: May 28, 2018, 12:25:23 AM »
Hopefully its not like their vietnamese cherimoya and just a renamed type.  I want my 25$ back for that one.

Im curious if there is a database out there with the DNA of named avocados to compare against also.  Its like the geneology test for avocados?

Speaking of DNA testing....  Does anybody know where Hass came from?  Not city.

Edgar Valdivia asked which two Avocado varieties most likely were the parents of Hass.

Vietnamese Cherimoya was not a renamed, it just a generic name.  There may have been a problem using Dr. White.

You can check out what Hass himself thought here, though it's not that useful:

"The original tree is a Guatemalian Seedling of unknown parentage."

This study found that it's only just barely majority Guatemalan (though I remember seeing a different study years ago that found it to be a greater percentage Guatemalan):

"M G (42%, 58%)"

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jamie Rose Avocado
« on: May 27, 2018, 07:54:14 PM »
Interesting.  What's the fruit of the Jamie Rose supposedly like?  And when is it in season in LA?

Barath , Were you propagating that one from seed for DVC or did I maybe get one of those from you? I've got my So Shang, "Catherine Anderson", and E. Ebbingei mixed up from losing tags and I can't tell them apart. Good news is they're all planted out from 15"s now and taking off even more.

At DVC I was propagating both So Shang from seed (from Oscar) and the likely goumi hybrid from cutting from Catherine Anderson, though I did a lot more of the latter and that's what I brought down for Mark as well.  Catherine is a local CRFG member who found it.  It hadn't really been propagated and she doesn't know what it is or where she got it, but if I remember right she thinks it was a plant she got from a nursery that is now out of business that had mislabeled it as something else and she thinks it's a cross between goumi and some other Elaeagnus.  Her tree of it is something like 20 feet tall and wide and she cuts it back and it still fruits heavily on the North side of her house.

So Shang seems to have more thorns than the other one.

I'd be curious as well about long term compatibility of grafting something evergreen like black sapote on deciduous tree roots and whether that affects sap flow and fruit viability over the winter.

I'm down near the Mexico border near the ocean and mine is 8 feet tall and never has problems throughout the year.

Mark, do you still have the Elaeagnus sp. (that's likely a hybrid with Goumi of some sort) I brought a few years back?  I'm curious how it's doing if so.  Here in the bay area it fruits heavily even in 2/3 shade and the fruits are much better than Goumi, sort of the size of a large grape and with minimal astringency.

Oh, nice -- well I'll move the seedlings to their own tall pots and hope they grow well!

At least a few. This Madruno is taller than I am , no greenhouse protection, 7 hours north of San Diego.
The tree has apparently hopscotched over CA and looks like it wished it lived in San Diego though. No new growth flush yet this year. Still trying to dial in the best location for it.

What garcinias can you grow in SD? Do you have a large greenhouse for them?
I used to have button mangosteen seedlings before they died.

Nice.  Which Madruno is it?  Is it one you started from seed?

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