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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Grumichama seed?
« on: November 20, 2014, 12:28:34 PM »
I know it's off season right now here in the Northern Hemisphere, but does anyone here have Grumichama seed for sale (maybe in the Southern Hemisphere)?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dimocarpus australianus -- how is it?
« on: November 20, 2014, 12:06:57 PM »
Hmm -- might it be worth trying then in places that are marginal for longans?  Northern California is marginal -- there are some microclimates where people can grow longan, but most can't.

I haven't been able to find any seed sources online, so if you know of one I would be grateful.  Thanks!

753
Great -- I'll add some micronutrients (probably as kelp / fish emulsion) and see how it goes.  I've added sulfur and cottonseed meal in the past to lower pH so I think it should be acidic enough now.  Thanks!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Dimocarpus australianus -- how is it?
« on: November 20, 2014, 01:01:58 AM »
How is Dimocarpus australianus?  Anyone growing it?  How's its hardiness, yield, flavor, etc?  I ask because I'm hoping to find lychee / longan type fruits that might be more adaptable to a wider range of climates.

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I've been puzzled by a strange coloration on my citrus and sapodilla leaves -- leaf margins/edges and veins (and only the margins and veins) are yellow, and the rest of leaf is deep green.  The leaves definitely don't look like what I've seen on healthy citrus and sapodilla, but I'm not sure what might be causing this.  Both are in containers and are fed periodically with generic organic fertilizers of various types.  Has anyone seen this sort of problem?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What can be grown in Europe, zone 10?
« on: November 19, 2014, 09:06:12 AM »
The impression I get about Southern California is that the only really 11a zones are a tiny area of Santa Monica, Palos Verdes, and Catalina Islands, and various microclimates in well-situated hillsides all over the region.  I've definitely heard of people who have never seen frost in their yard in decades.  But those are pretty rare.

We have a bit of the same in Northern California, but shifted down a few degrees.  San Francisco and parts of Oakland are listed as 10b and some parts of these cities almost never see frost, but San Francisco gets almost no heat either so it's not great for growing.  Otherwise the rest of the 10a zones here do usually see one night of 30 F every winter.

757
Thanks -- I'll check back during the season then.

758
I think it might be the same -- it's green and pink, yes.

759
Where did you get your seeds from?

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Does anyone have fresh Guamúchil seeds, or know of a vendor online that does?  Trade Winds Fruits sells it, but it's dry and I'm not sure about viability.

Thanks!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which Variety of Sapodilla for CA?
« on: November 17, 2014, 08:43:38 PM »
Thanks for the info.  I'm happy to hear about reports of success even in Southern California, since that give me more data on what microclimates work and don't work.  I'm not exclusively curious about Northern California -- even hearing about anyone growing Sapodilla around Santa Barbara would be great, because that'd mean that good microclimates in Northern California could do it too.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which Variety of Sapodilla for CA?
« on: November 16, 2014, 04:07:14 PM »
I know this is an old thread, but I'm wondering if folks have tried Sapodillas in Northern California, and if so which varieties have done well.  I have a Silas Wood, which I got *because* of its small fruit (smaller fruits seem to ripen better in cooler climates), but it's small so it'll probably be years before it fruits.

Anyone tried any of the standard cultivars, or tried out seedlings?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: watery avos
« on: November 13, 2014, 06:49:25 PM »
Aren't there a bunch of Hawaiian cultivars that are known to be rich and creamy?  I compiled a list of the Hawaiian ones I heard were good:  Kahaluu, Malama, Yamagata, Fujikawa, Green Gold, Ota. 

There's always Kona Sharwil, though some things I've read suggest it actually tastes better when grown in California rather than Hawaii.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Places in San Diego?
« on: November 13, 2014, 02:04:56 AM »
Check out Exotica Nursery in Vista.  Their collection is amazing (if a bit disorganized).

If you'd like to see some amazing giant old White Sapote trees, go by Clausen Nursery (which is otherwise a pretty conventional nursery).

City Farmers is kind of interesting because it's a dense nursery / homestead shop in a urban part of San Diego.

I've heard good things about Ong's Nursery for its selection, but my understanding it's more of a suburban house lot with trees in containers than an open-space nursery.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: first black surinan cherry of the season
« on: November 11, 2014, 01:58:53 AM »
Does anyone have experience with cultivars such as "Lolita" and "Chamba", among others?  (Those two seem to be propagated by some nurseries here in California.)  I've read that they're both good with minimal resinous flavor, but I've never tried them.

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I'm not in South Florida, but have chatted with Gaby of <a href="http://gabysfarm.com/">Gaby's Farm</a> who grows Passiflora laurifolia (Jamaican passionfruit / water lemon) in Homestead, and she says it grows well for her and doesn't die back in the very brief frosts she's had.  It's a great fruit.  You might get some fruit / seeds / cuttings from her.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best/Worthy Passiflora varieties?
« on: November 10, 2014, 12:14:24 PM »
Sorry for yet another reply -- P. ligularis and P. laurifolia are worth trying in LA.  I'm growing ligularis outdoors here, and while it likes growing in nearly full shade, it's just not hot enough to get it to flower.

P. laurifolia -- Jamaican passionfruit -- is probably my favorite fruit, but it's considered tropical so I'm growing it indoors, and have two sprawling indoor vines in my office.  However, if you're in a warmer spot in So Cal -- a warm zone 10b -- then you can probably grow it outdoors.  I spoke with a farmer who grows it outdoors commercially in Homestead, FL, and while that doesn't necessarily mean much for growing something in LA, I've learned that P. laurifolia likes slightly drier climates anyway.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best/Worthy Passiflora varieties?
« on: November 10, 2014, 12:09:09 PM »
cross-pollination will work as well. I have a giant granadilla- any idea on this one?, the frederick i think? but it's not everbearing like fredericks are suppose to be?

Also planted the banana variety as well as some sunrise varieties- any experiences with these?

Thanks for the responses! really appreciate them.

I think Giant Granadilla is P. quadrangularis, but I know nothing about its fruit.  I believe it will cross pollinate well with P. alata and P. phoenicea (Ruby Glow)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best/Worthy Passiflora varieties?
« on: November 10, 2014, 12:02:50 PM »
For juices & deserts, you can't go wrong with one of the hybrids developed for SoCal, such as Frederick.  Very vigorous and prolific in this area.  And easy to find.  I'm not a fan of eating it "out of hand" though.

I've tried growing a couple of the yellow tropicals (the sweet "lilikoi" and a flavicarpa that produced very large fruits) - neither have done much for me in my yard.  Still holding out hope, but no flowers and not much growth after almost 2 years...

Frederick, on the other hand, spread across approx 25' of 5' tall chain link fence in a single growing season - with dozens of fruits - the first year it was planted; my older Frederick vine produces several hundred fruit annually.

I'm pretty surprised that lilikoi isn't fruiting for you in San Diego -- I'm growing it in Northern California and while it's not producing heavily, it's producing, and it flowers like crazy.  Frederick and Black Knight do produce much more.

I'm really hoping we can somehow get seeds / cuttings of the varieties Mike from Australia talks about -- African Gold, Panama Purple, and Panama Gold.  I think they'd do well in hotter parts of California.  Maybe we could put in together so it's worth Mike's while to send us some as a group?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Why are high fat fruits in the tropics?
« on: November 02, 2014, 02:56:54 PM »
It's probably because the tropics have more fertile soil

I had always read the opposite -- that tropical soils are typically thin and nutrient poor because all the nutrients are held in the living matter, whereas places like Iowa and the American Midwest generally has (or had) extremely rich and deep soils from centuries of grazing of grasslands by Bison, which is why it was so great for annual crops like Corn.  Maybe I misread?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Why are high fat fruits in the tropics?
« on: November 02, 2014, 02:53:46 PM »
I should add that the one exception to this is temperate nut trees, in that they have relatively high fat content, at least concentrated in one place.  Many of these (e.g. almonds, walnuts) are actually stone fruits and the nuts are the seed.  But the total yield of fats / calories (in terms of energy) per year is pretty low, I think, compared to tropical trees that are high sugar or high fat.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Why are high fat fruits in the tropics?
« on: November 02, 2014, 12:53:15 PM »
I've had a hypothesis for a long time that it's just a matter of incident energy -- in temperate / cool locations there are very few high calorie (high sugar or high fat) fruits because the plants literally can't get absorb enough energy during the growing season to produce a lot of sugar or fat.  There are two factors -- heat and insolation -- and the heat is really just needed to get the plant cells to the temperature at which they absorb the sun's rays most efficiently.

Even olives, which as you point out aren't tropical, typically are grown in hot and sunny locations.

But I'm not a botanist, so this is just an idea I've been kicking around for a few years.

773
I got really excited about the idea of an Avocado relative that tastes like the cross between and Avocado and a Coconut, so I did a lot of digging into this earlier this year.  There's a guy named Jay Bost at University of Hawaii who went to the native region and visited many small towns asking about it, and wrote a couple of research papers on it.  He also got folks from towns in the region to bring their best fruit for a tasting event.  The thing is, I don't know if anything happened with the seeds from that fruit -- whether they planted seeds from the best fruit or not.

I also asked about the history of the specimens that were in the University of California collection.  There was a small grove of them planted at UCLA in the early 1900s but it seems that they were lost or cut down when UCLA stopped being the main site for the agriculture collections.  I emailed the CRFG list and got (indirectly) a reply from Julie Frink at the UC field station in Irvine, and she said:

"We have an avocado that it called G755C and is an avocado X Schiedeana that was going to be tried as a root rot resistant rootstock.  The tree gets huge, does flower, but hasn't had any fruit, at least in the last 22 years."

I think it'd be exciting to find and propagate two types of schiedeana -- one line that's more of the onion-y flavor and one line that's more of the coconut-y flavor.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fertilizer amounts for avocado
« on: October 31, 2014, 12:21:54 PM »
At least here in California I don't give Avocado trees anything close to that amount of fertilizer.  I've been generally giving young Avocado trees (2-3 year old trees) about half what I give citrus, and I give citrus about half of what I give to bananas.  I don't know if that helps -- I don't really measure it carefully.  One thing I do make sure to do is add a little sulfur to the mix because our water is slightly alkaline and the Avocados start getting brown leaf tips without a low enough pH.

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Here's some info I found on rooting cuttings:

http://homeguides.sfgate.com/planting-growing-pineapple-guava-tree-cuttings-46108.html

http://www.cloudforest.com/cafe/orchard-introductions/hello-from-walnut-creek-pinapple-guava-t2519.html

Sounds like cuttings from the bottom of the plant, taken at this time of year, is ideal.

I've had success with it once, by accident, but haven't tried all that much.  I have grown them from seed and found that pretty easy, but I know they're not known to be perfectly true.  I know that Merritt College Horticulture propagates their pineapple guava via cuttings, and apparently they have a good greenhouse setup to do it.

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