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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Kaffir Lime tree assistance
« on: March 21, 2018, 01:26:32 PM »
That food you got is good stuff.......i bought some of that when i was in nz and it was shipped over from the uk.......the summer formula is more high nitrogen to encourage leaves and fruit growth ....the winter formula is higher in potassium to help with ripening fruit........it worked well when i was in nz.......In fact a bought a citrus book(hardback /orange colour) from the same people and that was a good read with lots of pretty colour photos and infos about the different breeds of citrus @!

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I have fed my citrus inground with soluble fert high in nitrogen(made up of urea) and they have really responded to the urea ......leaves look great.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Kaffir Lime tree assistance
« on: March 21, 2018, 01:16:41 PM »
it needs a good feed now....i know the stuff you are using.......switch to the summer formula now and continue your feeding pattern and the tree should really go for it !.............when you have plenty of leaves......use them in your cooking.......very popular with Thai people in curries and soups......smell divine if the tree is healthy.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Meyer Lemon leaf drop
« on: March 20, 2018, 12:37:57 PM »
Meyer are notorious for dropping their leaves....I find they are fussy with moisture and fert  levels.......they must be allowed to dry somewhat between waterings......watch for saggy leaves in hot weather......Ive grown both in pots and ground and at times iver had more fruit than leaves.....but watering should be relative to the amount of leaves transpiring on the tree........no point in soaking a tree which only has 5 leaves on it. ....make sure you give it a pre spring feed.....the moment you see buds appear.....with a high nitrogen(urea) slow release fert or soluble fert if you want a quick response.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Lemon re-potting
« on: March 20, 2018, 12:13:38 PM »
I agree with the potting up in stages....I killed a lot of citrus trees from putting in too big a pot....a large area of the mix on the outside of the pot remains wet and never dries out.......the roots starve of oxygen......leaf drop then twig die back follow,.....everytime.......a rule of thumb is .....2 to 4 inches all around(rootball)....That is why i always try to grow in terracotta pots......even though they dry out quicker than plastic...........In the summer the plastic is good because it holds water for longer but in winter when it rains a lot......the roots get wet feet and citrus hate wet feet !........terracotta wicks from the outside in....so that 2 to 4 inches where the roots have not been too yet....will get wicked by the action of the terracotta,.......therefore allowing the mix to breath and with it the roots.......I live in Perth where its gets to 35 to 40 C........It means they need a bit more diligence in the summer but they are great for the winter when it rains plenty.....you must avoid wet feet !........I have 20 citrus in pots 90% of them are in terracotta.......I drill 10mm holes in them with masonary bits..........I then use slow release organic ferts in my mix and they all look very healthy......i water once a week....Thats all.......in the summer.....once every two weeks in spring and autumn.............If you water a lot........slow release fert organic is the best for pots.......If you water once a week....soluble fert in your watering can will work well....something with a high Nitrogen in urea.....meyer lemon is a very nice lemon.I mulch in summer only with lucerne.
If you go Ca 's way.....I have found growing citrus in very sandy mix.....so it drains really well can work as well........although it makes the pot very heavy.......I have bought a few trees where people have just used sand eg papaya/citrus and they all look healthy and is really close to what it would be like if i put in my garden here as the soil is very sandy............I have 5 citrus in the ground that are going really well in this sandy soil .....so the pros are 1.Excellent Drainage 2...Excellent drainage and Excellent drainage........the cons are 1....Can dry out really quickly 2....doesnt hold onto nutrients at all..........so i then spread compost around the tree out beyond the drip line and mix my slow release ferts underneath that......and nthere you have the perfect scenario........compost and slow release fert gradually seeeping down into the sandy free draining sandy soil and each time you water they have a small amount of nutrients to help them grow............so basically growing in the ground is easier because their feeder roots can spread and are unlikely to get "wet feet".....so consider putting your lemon in the ground in the right spot one day........a spot that receives morning sun would be ideal.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Planting citrus in a bath tub.
« on: March 11, 2018, 02:02:53 PM »
You could run a drainage pipe at the bottom horizontally(smack a steel pole through with a lump hammer......good work out......then remove and push through a plastic pipe .....inch or 2 in diameter)...have the pipe into the hole 6 inches....cover with scoria..............then excess water can drain away.......as long as the hole is at least twice the size of the rootball.....it will grow into whatever mix you put there and then still go into the clay.......I grew my dwarf lemon in that way........if the rootball filled that hole.......youd have a pretty good top growth by then.....raise the bed as well..........smash some of the clay soil up and mix with 20% compost and mix.....no food......go for it........most of the roots will be in top half of soil and thats the area you want drying out to avoid wet feet.......oxygen starvation.....the pipe would really help....although clay doesnt allow good drainage......it does hold onto nutrients better........so your tree might well search with its roots into that area.

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Lory....cool thanks for that......mine is good then.....
Millet.....is it good to spray pre autumn flush?....plus my lemons are still growing.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Lot less leaf miners this year
« on: March 09, 2018, 09:32:31 AM »
They are terrible in Perth western Australia.......they are supposed to appear in late summer/autumn but the past two years they have appeared in spring and hassle my trees throughout the spring/summer and Autumn.........I have done quite a bit of research into what they do.........IF you get hassled by them in autumn......its best not to feed with high Nitrogen at this time as its the Nitrogen they seek.,......so feed high nitrogen in spring and then in autumn a lower Nitrogen percentage.......I have tried all sprays and they get through all of them but neem oil seems to cut them down....soaks into the leaf and actually kills the grub...I spray every 14 days and it helps...remove affected leaves.

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Those links are cool millet.....the trees look stunning in those boxes.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Lemonade tree
« on: March 02, 2018, 10:13:38 AM »
I have one here in Perth...it has fruits on it right now....Pity you cant find one.

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well my berott reading is very different and i have no idea how to interpret it.....this is what it says = Mx beiret 7.8 grams biuret/kg N
      what does that mean please?

 

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: When to Pick Moro Blood Orange?
« on: February 26, 2018, 01:10:46 PM »
I grew a solitary tangelo on my tree last year...it was the first time i had let it fruit and i just grew that one.......I looked up the tree and found out its fruiting time and that it could be left on the tree a long time...........from what i have read.....these things will happen
1.....If you pick too early.........wont be sweet
2...if you pick too late......the tree begins re absorbing nutrients from the fruit.....and moisture and the fruit becomes dry.
   You get this in the shop when the mandarins are at the end of their season.......
    I let my tangello go as orange as possible and i also sprinkled epsom salts around as it was ripening.....that is supposed to make citrus go sweeter.......I picked it on my mothers birthday and it was delicious......
   The other thing to bear in mind,.......is citrus need 10C or below to change acid to sugars in the fruits.......so if your having a cold night.....you know your citrus are becoming sweeter for you.....that why they are no good in the tropics for most of them.
    Often the first years of fruiting can be sub standard as well and the tree will produce better after 3 or more years........so the combination of mild nights......and a young tree means you dont get such sweet and ripened fruit.........I live in western australia and we get 30 to 40 C in summer and we go below that 10C in winter.......often 5/6/7/8  ....the hot weather encourages growth with good feeding and watering and the cold winters help the fruit ripen and become sweeter and that is why Calaifornia produces the best Washington Navels in the world......The aussie ones are getting better too.....I have a book that states the the picking times......there was a three month window on my tangelo minnelo.......not even supposed to be that sweet but i picked mine near the end....I will have a look for your tree......only problem is.....it shows the window where i am but you need to know about your tree......its window ......and how long fruit can hold on the tree.....some dont like being on very long once they reach maturity and some dont give a toss.......But i always make sure all fruit are off ....2 to 3 weeks at least before spring flush......to give the tree a rest before i feed it for spring....Hope this helps mate. p.s I like what Mark says as well.....we have cara cara /arnold blood but i have heard of them being really sweet over here.

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P.s Dont bother growing fruits on kaffir limes anyway.........the fruits are yuk ! .....these trees are not grown for their fruit......they are grown for their "heady" leaves which are traditionally used in Thai cooking........If you are feeding and watering correctly....the leaves have the most heavenly scent....use the leaves in curries etc......fruits are high in oils and are used for something but not for eating/juice  my friend.(they look like a 90 year olds testicles!  :D)

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Citrus are usually greedy flower and fruiters. they will invariably drop fruit if there are too many for the tree to look after.........If id had 40 fruitlets......>I would have thinned them out......to give them space to grow......visualize a full size fruit in that spot with no neighbours........I would have thinned to 10 to 15........Over watering can cause fruit drop as well.....keeping the watering schedule even is important too and the wind can cause fruit drop as well......Slow release food high in nitrogen will help fruit establish......not a fan of those sticks.....small and often is far better.......I am using a slow release organic fert high in carbon and humus and getting good results with my citrus.......I currently have 6 lemons on my dwarf lemon tree and i am happy with that......its a young tree and with good feeding and watering.....they will reach a good size.

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Citrus General Discussion / Grasshoppers
« on: February 26, 2018, 12:44:39 PM »
Have heaps of these ....young ones ...all over my tahitian lime....was thinking of spraying them with vinegar and soap......any other way I can kill them off without resorting to insecticides please?

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Thanks Millet...I have citrus that flower and fruit at different times..........some interesting varities
= cara cara orange/pineapple/ washington navel/ arnold blood orange/comquat cammolidon(something like that !)/emperor mandarin/imperial mandarin/hickson mandarin/daisy mandarin/Nules clementine/kaffir lime/tahitian lime/indian lime/lemonade/meyer lemon/eureka lemon/japanese seedless mandarin/honey murcott mandarin/late navel orange..........only the pineapple and comquats(caloomidium) are in flower at the moment.........the lemonade /pineapple(actually tastes like pineapple)and lots of lemons( a dwarf meyer variety) have big fruits on them.....so i think some might flower soon........they are all putting out new growth.
By the way.....Your "hero" status is justified !!!!!  :D

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Interesting thread...so do you suggest feeding with urea to all citrus Millet? ....I have been feeding my trees with something called B green...its a slow release organic feed high in carbon.......then compost on top of that in the garden....i just use the b green for the pots and mulch........I also water with worm juice every now and then...........u still suggest the 5-1-3 npk for pots millet?
            I was always confused whether ammonium or urea was better for citrus.....I am a bit concerned spraying urea based soluble fert when its so evil hot over here.........My eureka lemons never look happy here! ....have one big one in ground and one in pot and both have pale leaves and brown crinkle effect.........the big one in ground has never flowered.

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Citrus General Discussion / My plants in Perth western Australia
« on: January 22, 2018, 09:56:30 AM »
34 Citrus in Pots(man i got it bad lol)..........in a spread of plastic and terracotta........temps are 35C consistently now but terracotta goes well........6 citrus trees in the ground going nicely.......some dodgy in the pots........Kensington pride mango in ground going well.......3 blueberry in pots going ok.........3 pomegranite with fruits......5 papaya in pots...6 figs in pots...2 feijoa not going so well..20 chillis in pots...Two dwarf apples and one custard apple....loquart and several seedlings...lebanese cucumbers in ground......tomatoes and strawberries i have absolutely no success with....too evil hot.....worm farm......needs looking after but i am trying my best....we get real problem with citrus leaf miner over here...terrible........been present since spring and all through the summer now.......spraying with neem oil has been the only way to control them.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: ID of a citrus tree grown from seed
« on: October 01, 2017, 12:42:58 PM »
My two cents worth....a citrus tree grown from seed will not produce a clone of the original tree........in fact you can get a right mongrel !
  It will at the very least create something interesting. :)......only grafting a scion onto the rootstock will you be guaranteed the  true fruit.....but i could be full of dung. ;D...feed it some potash two weeks before the start of spring and it should flower big time.
     I had a friend who was complaining his lime had never produced fruit....he did that.......came back 4 weeks later and his tree was covered in flowers.......no other food given.

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Cool.......thanks millet....Hope you are well. ;)

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Problems with potted citrus
« on: October 01, 2017, 12:24:14 PM »
iam still trying to get the perfect wet/try conditions for this new soil. i started using the peat/bark mix this year so for now iam trying to find out how often to water the trees, it was especially hard during the heatwaves this summer. meanwhile in the winter i let them dry out almost completely until the first leaf starts to dry out and then i water again, this worked very good for me so far, because the trees take no visual damage... i have also killed to many trees during winter, it hurts :>

i had one lemon in a terracota pot with the new soil and i had to water it every day and it still wasnt enough, so i repotted it into plastc... its crazy with all this over-\underwatering....today i watered my plants and soaked them deep, hope they are doing better with this method.

putting the pots on feet is great. with all the extra air getting to the soil from underneath its just perfect. i have also built myself an extra bench where all the excessive water can flow into buckets below it, because all i have is a balcony and i dont want to flood my neighbours more than necessary
I feel your pain....its a tough call because in the winter you want your mix to stay on the dry side of moist and then in the summer it gets really hot ...so you need to retain moisture........so its a catch twenty situation.....Pot size is important......no more than twice the size of the rootball...is what i go by......in the summer its good to mulch and in the winter take the mulch off ....so the soil can get heated up by the winter sun and remain dryer......Its harder growing in pots........there is far less to worry about in the ground.........plenty of mixes have these water retention crystals in them over here.....i hate them......the mix does not drain as well.....the mix must start drying out within 24 hours or the roots start to suffer......perlite might help you....stay away from water storage crystals..........are you putting any stuff at the base of the pot to help drainage?....eg scoria /stones/pot pieces/bark ? .....DONT .....its a myth it improves drainage,,,,all it does is raise the perched water table and means your roots stay wet........drill plenty of holes and line the pot with mesh or a circle of onion sack(cut to size)......this stops mix washing out.........then make your mix uniform and chuck it in.....then your PWT will form lower.......you want the top half of pot to dry out some......so the roots can breathe..........My plants are all going well now and we get the extremes you get ...except for freezing and snow.....it still goes down to 5C in winter and up to 40C + in summer........getting them through winter is the hardest as it rains a hell of a lot in july and august.......so i keep them under the eaves(out of the rain).....if your pots are drying out really quick......they are probably rootbound.....its a sure sign........slip it out and have a check......mulch with lucerne or lupin if you have that there....it helps cool the feeder roots which are just under the surface and hopefully you wont need to water as much......I am a big fan of a :Moisture meter" ...some are not but the pot lift method is good as well.......if its light.....it needs water !

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Problems with potted citrus
« on: September 29, 2017, 12:19:32 PM »
Susanne maybe i was a little inexact about the epsomsalts.i dont use
1 handfull per plant, i dissolved it in 6L water and watered my plants with it.

Thanks a lot to you Millet, theres no chance i would have found this out.
I replanted all plants, even the ones not showing the symptoms yet.
Iam happy i asked before the winter starts, i think repotting 1 month later
wouldn't have been so smooth, its getting darker and a little colder everyday.
Now i can only watch and feed them and iam pretty sure they'll do better by now
Iron deficiency can also be brought on by wet soils as well.......i always give them a feed with iron at the start of the seasons....esp spring and summer......I wouldnt feed in winter and keep your trees on the dry side of moist.......most citrus are dormant in the winter and the roots inactive........i have killed many trees from watering too often in winter.........not a good time to repot for this reason also....best to repot a week or two before the start  of spring....no food at that time...or in autumn...let it settle in for a couple of weeks and then feed when new growth starts....i put zeolite in all my mixes now with good results....good idea to put your pots on pot feet as well.....all my pots are on them......has a two fold purpose 1.....prevents pot sitting in water 2...Allows air to circulate underneath pot.

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Citrus General Discussion / Tangelo that has no growth on one side of tree
« on: September 29, 2017, 12:01:40 PM »


This tree nearly snuffed it last year but its putting out lots of new growth now but it doesnt want to grow anything on one side of the tree....looks very strange......is there anything i can do to encourage it to put out growth on that side of the trunk? i have had it in the sun  all the time in the hope it will put out growth there to help cover its trunk.
All my other trees are going for it....when i get chance i will take pics of all of my fruits and post on here= lots of citrus in ground and pots..pommegranite......papaya.....chillis.....blueberries......cape gooseberry.....strawberries....mangos in pots and in ground....grapes (new vine)......figs....avocado....Loquat.....one of my citrus is in  a 90 litre pot...another 70 litre and another 50 litre...plus a whole load in terracotta......my backyard is a jungle !

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Roots
« on: July 09, 2017, 10:46:11 AM »
Thanks Millet....Its been a while.......Ref Temps....Thats true........Its strange how anything lemon ....seems happy to grow top growth in winter..flowers too....Thats what i am noticing.......meyer lemon....eureka lemon....lemonade.......all the rest are dormant on top...except for ripening fruit.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Help! can this baby Meyer be saved???
« on: June 30, 2017, 04:08:23 AM »
Thats eaxactly what i thought(same as millet).......the curling inward leaves indicate pottassium defiency and the pale leaves look like wet feet.......I have killed many trees via "wet feet"........
Take it out ......clear away a lot of the mix......get some fresh free draining Good quality potting mix suitable for trees(this is your reason for failure) and put it in a terracotta pot.......Dont over water ! .....let the mix dry out a bit between waterings.......the terracotta will dry the mix from the outside in and the roots can breathe..........My summer temps get to 40 plus C  and i dont have any probs with terracotta......get a moisture meter or.........once you have transplanted your tree into the new pot with new mix.......lift the pot up and feel the weight........then water it in and lift the pot up then......that is the difference....water when the pot feels light again......and not before.....I always drill extra drainage holes with masonary bits......4mm then 6mm then 10mm in stages ...so you dont crack pot......then line bottom of pot with a piece of onion bag cut to the size(circle)......that will stop mix washing out of pot and keep insects out to a certain degree.....do not put gravel/stones or broken crock on the bottom of pot to improve drainage because it DOESNT improve drainage......it makes it worse......water tree in with seaweed/water and keep in shade for a week or two..........Dont feed at all.......until you see new top growth.......You need to get the roots going.....when they are happy......the top will show you their appreciation ! Then feed with liquid feed at half the rate every two weeks ....Needs to be high in nitrogen with an NPK close to 5 to 1 to 3 as citrus absorb nutrienst in this ratio(i learnt that of millet !) ...Good luck.

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