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Just wondering if any local planeteers of the San Gabriel / San Bernadino region wanted to go on the hunt for a variety of Ribes divaricatum said to be extinct, however I think it's too soon to give up just yet. I am talking about the var. parishii, which has pink/red petals and so is simple to ID. The other varieties should not even be growing near this locality, but in any case I have included the key below. If plants are still there, they should be in flower now. Obviously remember the location if you should find some survivors, so seeds can be harvested in a few months time. I think it would be a very valuable find, as this variety would be much more adaptable to warmer climes. Regards

Here is a key to the subspecies  (Sinnott, Q.,  1985, Rhodora 87(850):189-286)

A.      Filaments 3.5-4.7 (5) mm long; petals 1.2-1.8 mm long, white; style 5.5-7.5 mm long; coast ranges of southern Oregon southward to Santa Barbara Co., CA ……var. pubiflorum

AA. Filaments more than 5 mm long; petals 2-3 mm long, white or red-pink; style 8 – 11 mm long

B. Calyx tube 1.7-2.7 mm long; petals white; coastal areas from Queen Charlotte Islands southward to southern Oregon    ………………………………..var. divaricatum

B. Calyx tube 2.8-3.5 mm long; petals pink or red; foothills of the San Gabriel and San Bernadino Mt. Southern California ………………………………….var. parishii

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Fig hedge
« on: March 31, 2019, 08:46:20 AM »
I originally suggested honeyberry in my post, bet edited that out. Most of USA cannot get honeyberry to fruit. They really need Northern latitudes and lose most of their leaves in winter (not a good look in my opinion). They don't even fruit in Vancouver as far as I know. 

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Fig hedge
« on: March 29, 2019, 05:32:15 PM »
Evergreen: Ugni molinae, Red or Escarlate Jaboticaba, Inga congesta/bullata (variable fruit flavour), Blackberry jam fruit (R. formosum)
Semi-deciduous: Pomegranate (perhaps dwarf variety), Rainforest plum (Eugenia candolleana), Pitangatuba (Eugenia selloi)
Deciduous: Blueberry, Golden Currant (Ribes aureum)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best tasting mangos of 2018
« on: March 12, 2019, 04:30:43 PM »
1. Crθme brϋlιe
2. Ceci
3. Piρa colada

Mangoes taste better to me if they have diacritics in their names

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Mexicola avocado seeds
« on: February 21, 2019, 07:40:22 AM »
Spaugh is the Ayatollah of Mexicola! If only there was a Pied Piper for Aravaipa...

Denmark has a lot of islands, so the water could act like decent insulation, plus microclimate you never know.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Myrciaria Vexator for SALE
« on: February 12, 2019, 01:13:04 PM »
Use the
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Suriname now makes a lot more sense than The Netherlands. Nothing at my grocers comes from NL except Brussels sprout.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Myrciaria Vexator for SALE
« on: February 12, 2019, 07:31:59 AM »
Wesley, your website is still under construction.

Could you upload photos of your vexator trees? Are your trees fruiting in greenhouses?

Very limited seeds, exclusively for people in Europe, Africa and Asia. These arrived to me today in vermiculite. Minimum order 4 seeds total. Send me PM and no need to post on this thread "PM sent".

Myrciaria aff. guaquiea "Purple guaquica": New discovery from Bahia with limited info. Most probably a separate species. Similar to yellow-fruited M. guaquiea (best taste in genus) but blue/purple fruit and smaller tree. Sold out

Plinia edulis (Cambuca): Jaboticaba-relative growing in popularity. Some say the taste is similar to papaya-mango-apricot. Berries are 3-6cm in diameter, with pulp recovery of 50%. Self-fertile (but increased production if cross pollination). Tree is densely foliated, ornamental, evergreen and though can grow 5-10m in cultivation is easy to maintain smaller due to its slow-growth and graft compatibility with Plinia cauliflora/jabotiaba. Cold-hardy down to -4 Celsius. Likes a lot of water. sold out

Alibertia sorbilis (Borojoa, Giant Marmalade Fruit): Similar to Aliberia edulis (Marmalade Fruit) but has jumbo (7cm) fruit with a more protective peel. Has a similar mass, consistency and flavor to tamarind (Tamarindus indica), although a little more sweet. The plant is a small, dioecious tree with leaves measuring 25-45 cm long by 15-20 cm wide. The pulp of the fruits is tasty out of hand, and also used in the preparation of juices, jellies and in savory dishes. Plant in full sun, in tropical or subtropical climates without frost. Adaptable to different types of soils, enjoying a certain humidity in them. It begins early fruiting. Family: Rubiaceae. sold out

Psidium acidum (Pear Araza, Araηα-pera, guayaba de monte, sacha guayaba): Globose or pyriform fruit 8 cm in diameter, weighing up to 240 g. Much superior in flavor to regular guava. The seeds are large, much larger than those of guava (Psidium guajava) and less numerous, therefore easier to extract. Juicy and fleshy, acidic pulp. Consumed mainly in the form of delicious juices, creams and ice creams, which refer to the flavor of the European pear (Pyrus communis). It is a 3-7 m tall tree, with new quadrangulated branches and light green foliage. The leaves are printed and curled at the edges, lending an elegant look to the plant. It can be used successfully in landscaping small spaces. Adapts well to all types of soil. Starts production between three and four years. sold out

Postage and handling to Europe is $9. To Africa and Asia $14

I am looking to collaborate with someone who has a Small Seed Lot Permit and can receive about 20-30 seeds of Asimina triloba from Ukraine. You will be required to post onwards to an address in Minnesota. The seeds are of the cultivar "Dezertnaya". You can order seeds yourself through their webshop, or I will pay them and leave your address. All expenses covered.
This is just a one-off thing. Please PM for more.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Apricot disease
« on: December 21, 2018, 01:47:14 AM »
Didn't have this skin diseases on apricots last year. Variety is Bulida, but other varieties grafted on got it too.
Internally, fruit do not seem changed. But many apricots small and shriveled.


I got this pomegranate cutting with 3 prongs that subsequently shot 2 stems of growth from each prong, giving me 6 stems. I want a single-trunk tree, but leaving just one whispy stem at this point seems weird. Though it is protected as it is currently indoors safe from outside heat and wind.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: can pluots pollinate other pluots?
« on: December 14, 2018, 08:00:16 PM »
To answer original poster, no, pluots cannot pollinate other pluots, as pollination is something done by insects and wind.
If you meant cross-pollination, then yes, pluots can do this to each other, and with four I don't think there will be an issue of incompatible pollen.

Spicezee is not a pluot, it is a nectaplum (hybrid) which has 87% peach/nectarine in its pedigree and only 13% plum.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting Cambuca
« on: November 24, 2018, 07:31:02 PM »
That has not been updated yet. is not even Kew's primary taxonomy resource.

Try much slicker and up-to-date.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting Cambuca
« on: November 23, 2018, 08:48:48 PM »

Plinia peruviana is now the accepted name for Jabuticaba de Cabinho, so P. trunciflora is a synonym.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: November 09, 2018, 12:15:07 AM »
I have some healthy seedlings growing on a raised mound. The mound is only 15 inches tall, the seedlings are perhaps 20 inches tall (being 1 year old).
Recently, I found out that the reason avocadoes fail is because once their taproot hits clay, it is only a matter of time until it gets root rot. I really needed a taller mound to avoid this problem. Should I risk trying to elevate the mound? Or will the seedlings likely get serious damage. How deep would taproot be at one year old?

An update to the mango-splitting and spike-necrotizing issue I had. Boron seems to have resolved this issue. I applied it mostly through foliar spray. Now good fruit set.

They're at it again. Must be baiting us.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can you help me ID this Inga?
« on: October 26, 2018, 08:49:22 PM »

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What avocados can live in -10C?
« on: October 26, 2018, 08:46:24 PM »
Thanks. everyone.

I will try to get the seeds to follow your advise.

Do not get avocado seeds. You have no idea what the quality of the tree will be, and you’ll waste 6years of your life in the process.

Can he not do other things during the 6 years that trees are growing in his yard? Think a little more before uttering nonsense. The guy claims to be in a climate of -10C minimum, so in order to stand any chance he needs to work with seedling trees A) for their vigor and B) their genetic variation. No current cultivars are known to be that cold hardy, so what the hell is he going to have grafted? Added the fact that it would very expensive to bring trees to South Korea. A bit of a breeding project is in order here.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What avocados can live in -10C?
« on: October 25, 2018, 10:11:15 AM »
How does it get to -10C in Pusan/Busan? You are in a coastal region and on the same latitude as Malta, Crete, Gibraltar, North Carolina...

Anyway, try and get seeds of the avocado cultivar "Aravaipa" or "Don Juan". I tried before but nobody wanted to engage. Good luck.

Citrus General Discussion / Replacement for Tahitian Lime
« on: October 17, 2018, 08:51:21 PM »
I believe Tahiti(an) lime is a cultivar of what is known as Persian lime internationally.
Basically, I want a lime that has these properties in order of priority
  • more vigorous (so grafts grow strongly on Eureka lemon tree)
  • is seedless
  • has fruit that is more visually distinct from lemon (Tahitian turns yellow and is similar in shape)

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Grafting Actinida / kiwifruit
« on: October 15, 2018, 09:43:10 AM »
I am a fairly skilled grafter but have had no luck with Actinidia. It obviously works because I purchased grafted varieties in pots, however I don't think it works when you are grafting onto a mature plant. I think a multi-varietal vine doesn't work. My grafts would take, then push out minimal growth and die. The thing is, I wanted to keep the original main growth. Maybe should have grafted at a more terminal location?

Another thing, I have wanted to graft A. arguta onto A. deliciosa. Is this even remotely possible that they co-exist with similar vigor on the same vine?

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