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I am looking to collaborate with someone who has a Small Seed Lot Permit and can receive about 20-30 seeds of Asimina triloba from Ukraine. You will be required to post onwards to an address in Minnesota. The seeds are of the cultivar "Dezertnaya". You can order seeds yourself through their webshop, or I will pay them and leave your address. All expenses covered.
This is just a one-off thing. Please PM for more.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Apricot disease
« on: December 21, 2018, 01:47:14 AM »
Didn't have this skin diseases on apricots last year. Variety is Bulida, but other varieties grafted on got it too.
Internally, fruit do not seem changed. But many apricots small and shriveled.


I got this pomegranate cutting with 3 prongs that subsequently shot 2 stems of growth from each prong, giving me 6 stems. I want a single-trunk tree, but leaving just one whispy stem at this point seems weird. Though it is protected as it is currently indoors safe from outside heat and wind.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: can pluots pollinate other pluots?
« on: December 14, 2018, 08:00:16 PM »
To answer original poster, no, pluots cannot pollinate other pluots, as pollination is something done by insects and wind.
If you meant cross-pollination, then yes, pluots can do this to each other, and with four I don't think there will be an issue of incompatible pollen.

Spicezee is not a pluot, it is a nectaplum (hybrid) which has 87% peach/nectarine in its pedigree and only 13% plum.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting Cambuca
« on: November 24, 2018, 07:31:02 PM »
That has not been updated yet. is not even Kew's primary taxonomy resource.

Try much slicker and up-to-date.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting Cambuca
« on: November 23, 2018, 08:48:48 PM »

Plinia peruviana is now the accepted name for Jabuticaba de Cabinho, so P. trunciflora is a synonym.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: November 09, 2018, 12:15:07 AM »
I have some healthy seedlings growing on a raised mound. The mound is only 15 inches tall, the seedlings are perhaps 20 inches tall (being 1 year old).
Recently, I found out that the reason avocadoes fail is because once their taproot hits clay, it is only a matter of time until it gets root rot. I really needed a taller mound to avoid this problem. Should I risk trying to elevate the mound? Or will the seedlings likely get serious damage. How deep would taproot be at one year old?

An update to the mango-splitting and spike-necrotizing issue I had. Boron seems to have resolved this issue. I applied it mostly through foliar spray. Now good fruit set.

They're at it again. Must be baiting us.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can you help me ID this Inga?
« on: October 26, 2018, 08:49:22 PM »

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What avocados can live in -10C?
« on: October 26, 2018, 08:46:24 PM »
Thanks. everyone.

I will try to get the seeds to follow your advise.

Do not get avocado seeds. You have no idea what the quality of the tree will be, and you’ll waste 6years of your life in the process.

Can he not do other things during the 6 years that trees are growing in his yard? Think a little more before uttering nonsense. The guy claims to be in a climate of -10C minimum, so in order to stand any chance he needs to work with seedling trees A) for their vigor and B) their genetic variation. No current cultivars are known to be that cold hardy, so what the hell is he going to have grafted? Added the fact that it would very expensive to bring trees to South Korea. A bit of a breeding project is in order here.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What avocados can live in -10C?
« on: October 25, 2018, 10:11:15 AM »
How does it get to -10C in Pusan/Busan? You are in a coastal region and on the same latitude as Malta, Crete, Gibraltar, North Carolina...

Anyway, try and get seeds of the avocado cultivar "Aravaipa" or "Don Juan". I tried before but nobody wanted to engage. Good luck.

Citrus General Discussion / Replacement for Tahitian Lime
« on: October 17, 2018, 08:51:21 PM »
I believe Tahiti(an) lime is a cultivar of what is known as Persian lime internationally.
Basically, I want a lime that has these properties in order of priority
  • more vigorous (so grafts grow strongly on Eureka lemon tree)
  • is seedless
  • has fruit that is more visually distinct from lemon (Tahitian turns yellow and is similar in shape)

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Grafting Actinida / kiwifruit
« on: October 15, 2018, 09:43:10 AM »
I am a fairly skilled grafter but have had no luck with Actinidia. It obviously works because I purchased grafted varieties in pots, however I don't think it works when you are grafting onto a mature plant. I think a multi-varietal vine doesn't work. My grafts would take, then push out minimal growth and die. The thing is, I wanted to keep the original main growth. Maybe should have grafted at a more terminal location?

Another thing, I have wanted to graft A. arguta onto A. deliciosa. Is this even remotely possible that they co-exist with similar vigor on the same vine?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is something wrong with my Dream?
« on: October 07, 2018, 06:56:08 AM »
You could be having a wet Dream. Overwatering after planting.

I would like to buy 10 seeds of the sort Pennsylvania Gold. Sent to Minnesota. Although there are apparently different strains of PE-Gold, I am not picky about which one you have.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best tasting mangos of 2018
« on: October 06, 2018, 09:54:14 PM »
Mallika = Mung in dung
but Sweet Tart is state-of-the-art

Is it "lie-chee" or "lee-chee" (lychee)?  Is it true Chinese dialects pronounce it differently?
I'm told by a Chinese acquaintance who is both fluent in Cantonese and Mandarin that "lee-chee" is the Cantonese pronunciation, while "lai-chee" is the Mandarin one. Being that lychee is endigenous to Cantonese territory, I'm inclined to think the first pronunciation may be more appropriate, but there's really no right one.

For some reason the spelling Lychee tends to be associated with the pronunciation "lee-chee", while Litchi tends to be associated with the pronunciation "lai-chee".

Perhaps not very relevant but the Japanese language would be inclined to pronounce it "lee-chee" (romanization: ri-chi).

You got just about everything wrong in the above post. This stuff is rather easy to check. (click speaker icon for pronunciation)

I know someone (on this forum) who got his first fruit from a plant originating from these seeds. He said it was no different in size from the standard megalanthus, but wanted to wait another season in the hope that the fruit might get better.
I am not optimistic.
Carlos also told me that the giant Peruvian was naturally thornless, however I think this is another lie. Basically, Carlos has just been selling seeds of fruit imported from Peru, which probably just had the thorns manually removed. Carlos said he is growing it himself, but never uploaded a single photo and won't sell a cutting even though that would maintain the true-to-typeness. Then there is the problem of hybridization, either from Peru or from Carlos (who told me he grows 30 cultivars). He doesn't respond to any of these issues raised ~ just keeps accepting orders and sending out seeds.

In classical Latin (not church Latin) and Greek, the "c" is pronounced as 'k".  So meer-kee-AH-ree-ah.  But changing the "c" to "s" is extremely common throughout academia in western European languages, so if you are not into bucking the flow, that is probably how you will say it.
And Greek? No, I do not think that is true. C was pronounced as S in Greek and the letter actually looked halfway inbetween the two modern letters that it is ancestor to. I am talking about Sigma (Σ, ς). Look at the lower case form and how it has a small flick beneath the c. The Greeks had Kappa (Κ, κ) for the other phoneme.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Another artocarpus id
« on: September 28, 2018, 02:28:44 AM »
ID wanted, please and thank you

Granted, the genera are allied, but this is still kinda funky how similar the two plants are in the photo.
There is kinda only one characteristic that separates these two species at this stage of growth...

Any English speaker who pronounces it "lee-chee" is just wrong. It is spelled lychee for good reason and clearly the first functional vowel is spelled differently from the second. Murahilin is correct about the Cantonese vs Mandarin difference - the former having more senior priority as the species originates in the Cantonese-speaking South.

"Ischia fig" is something that is always pronounced incorrectly. Rhymes with skier. Also "Panachee" (correct spelling) should rhyme with nashi (the pear). Or just translate from the French as "Variegated". The thing is, it's hardly a cultivar (maybe a cultigen?) as it is just a sport of the cultivar Mallea and genetically indistinguishable from it using current technology. Just about any cultivar can throw out a variegated (or panachee'd) sport or seedling. The Spanish have been more studious and use the term "rimada" in conjunction with various cultivar names.

Regarding the Myrtle genus "Myrciaria" I have always wondered how it is pronounced and now I know thanks to Lorenzi that the 'c' is pronounced like an 's'.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia grafting tables??
« on: September 27, 2018, 11:29:55 PM »

These dendrograms showing the phylogeny of some species might be of help.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: plucking sapodillas
« on: September 16, 2018, 08:19:18 AM »
How did she do with your avocadoes?

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