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The truth is that australia is also a lychee backwater and of 25 or so types the top would be fai zee sui,souey tung,salathiel,then no mai chee,kaimana and maybe tai so maurtius.The kwai mais,haak yips and brewsters would be in a mediocre group.We should have erdon lee everywhere,A4,donguan seedless,maguilli and others but we don't.
The name custard apple apple for atemoya is so entrenched it can't change.Paw paws for papayas is the same.I think it is the original jamaican name that was tranferred to asimina before' papaya.' became the word of the US.I could be wrong.
Marketers tried to call reds papaya and yellows paw paw but it didn't stick.
I think the US,latin america,australia and india are all way behind thailand with mangoes and there are different flavours that are appealing in each area.Colour is less important in SE Asia and australia than other places and the hydrocarbon overtones of some make them unacceptable.

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I wonder why floridians don't get the cooler tolerant varieties and lineages of many fruit that are thought to be too equatorial for the place.Long and lin laplae durians from cold areas near utteradit surely would grow there and are of good quality.Langsat from the same area should aslo thrive in the subtropics.Too often people assume you can't grow heat lovers because they only look to the shallow end of the gene pool or only test more tropical/equatorial examples of a species.

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The word on the street and loose talk talk in fruit enthusiast circles suggests that are are no good atemoyas in the US, the lychees are second rate,there are no decent passionfruit and locally bred mangoes are pretty ordinary.I would never believe such crazy talk but some who should know better have that misconception.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Favorite Lychee Variety
« on: April 30, 2012, 08:23:20 AM »
They are not just ahead on taste but those types with only 7 to 10 fruit per ib are triple the size of florida standards.All 3 types would be ideal for florida and take the place by storm.

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About 17 yeatrs ago I worked in a building surrounded by a govt tropical fruit research orchard that had been operational for about 100 years and was suddenly left for budget reasons.Scientists would collect the best fruit from around the world,trial them and release them to farmers.There were dozens of rambutan types left behind and 6 or 7 very good pulasans/meritams including one that looked like the type in the picture.A giant purple one was extraordinary and a huge green one was also outstanding.When the local council acquired the property trees were dozed to stop urban foragers from hurdling the fence and these and many other fruit were lost before ever being released.I never have seen pulasan as good as that again.   

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I may be away on Cape York then.Everything is fading in terms of diversity of good stuff around but you never know.It may be worth cultivating connections with trina,Peter S. and the grays from trib.I'll ask my partner to try and get the big, good, pink mafai from chantarak while she is there now.I am already getting grief and defiance from the list of 'must gets' that I gave her.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Baccaurea species
« on: April 30, 2012, 06:06:34 AM »
Mafai are in fact highly variable in quality and tolerance to cold.Some good quality types grow in NE Thailand were temps approach 0c in winter.I had great one that were pionkl and white one in sisaket and isaan.Rambais are a bit more tropical and a bit larger and sweeter than mafai on average but the best of both are about the same size and standard. Both grow well around my home town.

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BMc while I have you here ETA thursday have ICU ready for BG's.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Favorite Lychee Variety
« on: April 30, 2012, 05:19:19 AM »
The initial fai zee sui fruited pretty well at 16.8 latitude in a moderated coastal trade wind littoral climate with 2000mm and has temp. needs like mauritius.They grew at a research station surrounded by durians,mangosteens and duku.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Favorite Lychee Variety
« on: April 30, 2012, 04:12:13 AM »
Fruitlovers the fai zee sui would grow in a wide range of climates between 20 and 30 latitude and the erdon lee perhaps the same.There would be matching US areas.The size is the most stark difference from the older listed types but fai zee sui has better flesh % and taste than mauritius as well.I haven't tasted the other 2 with one only just arriving in qld and the other coming soon.

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The smell is strongest in the skin and a few weeks ago at work people got upset t me for having durian in the lunchroom and it was likle a gasleak.Some chempadek and marang are almost as fragrant,that is true.

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Sorry about the double talk.I meant that of the two nodes of mango diversity the polyembryonic one in SE Asia (as opposed to the indian one) is where the finest mangoes come from and they are everywhere.Even here the durian would win any popularity contest and the mangosteen would be second or third, but the mango would never win.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Favorite Lychee Variety
« on: April 30, 2012, 02:20:01 AM »
I hope the pictures of erdon lee and A4 giant seedless guanzhou turn out ok.I am not usually one to poke sticks into hornets nests but the list raises more questions than it answers.The most popular on the list is probably the best of that lot but something seems to be missing.If fai zee siu isn't in Florida yet it is a shame because it is the next great leap forward in many ways.The two below are the leap after that.Lychee lovers should be demanding these of suppliers because they are rocking the lychee world.








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Mangoes will win and it is interesting that in the spiritual and ancestral home of the polyembryonic mango the king certainly would not have left the building but the queen would be in the same position. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 3-8 Inches of rain for S.Fla expected
« on: April 29, 2012, 09:52:08 AM »
It happened in my district last october when mangoes were still small.The normally driest month had a 2 day event with 18 inches of rain and much of the crop was ruined.In March my place had 55 inches of which nearly 30 fell in one week.There seems to be problematic weather all over.Good luck with the fruit and any anthracnose that may follow.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: jab pruning- before and after pics
« on: April 29, 2012, 04:20:51 AM »
In full sun the canopy and skirt get so dense that pruning has to take place so you can easily access the bulk of the fruit.I only know a couple of trees over 40 years old and they have adopted an upright tall character where trunk access is easy but 90% of the fruit are too high.Crop size would have to be measure in not only the volumeof ruit at each fruiting event but also the number of times that fruit flushes have taken place in a year.Even in a heavy pruning year my 9 year old in full sun seem to have up to 4 major fruiting flushes.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rank your Durian eating experience
« on: April 29, 2012, 04:02:24 AM »
fruitlovers I have only had samples of them and D.testud...? and I prefer to sink my teeth into slabs of flesh rather than rake my teeth over seeds for scant flesh.Each has their own character but still are not on par with zibethinus.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How to Germinate Salak Seeds?????
« on: April 29, 2012, 02:00:46 AM »
S.affinis is one of the species in Borneo that has edible fruit like many in the genus.It won't be as good in quality as the cultivated types. The plant is likely to be far thornier than your zalacca and wallichiana unless they are less domesicated cultivars.The best wallichiana have loose skin that is easy to tear open by hand.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rank your Durian eating experience
« on: April 29, 2012, 12:34:03 AM »
I think durio graveolans x zinethinus and D.macrantha are the only ones besides zibethinus that warrant more than a sideways glance.There are around 30 zibethinus varieties around here and I have 5 adolescent trees of different types.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: African Pride Atemoya
« on: April 29, 2012, 12:28:54 AM »
BMc let me draw your attention to the 'raspberry jam' illama in the illama thread if you're in the market for seeing glamorous annonas.It is true that I'm a pig and have been eating the african prides from the yard.Sugar apples are better.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: R2E2
« on: April 29, 2012, 12:24:24 AM »
No BJ but I have heard about it.The tablelands folk seem to have some good selections and you are right about rainfall.In the 2000mm to 4000mm zone there are fewer good mangoes,anthracnose everywhere and KP 's don't tate as good.I should be packing parcels right now or gardening.I told David I'd send some sam ru du seedlings.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: R2E2
« on: April 28, 2012, 11:49:35 PM »
There are in fact quite a number of new ones being produced with only letters and numbers for names.A good selection of Asian and American types are also available.The problem is that only the KP seels well and people won't grow anything else or try other types.Only a few mango enthusiasts seem to grow a range of types.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: jab pruning- before and after pics
« on: April 28, 2012, 11:25:50 PM »
Full sun seems to promote the largest crops with jaboticabas but it is surprising how productive some are in the shade. They also have more crops per year when in full sun.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How to Root Sugar Cane Cuttings?
« on: April 28, 2012, 11:22:34 PM »
Sugar is wall to wall here.I could drive 1200 miles before I get to the end of it on the coastal strip.The best village sugars come from the solomon islands,NG and even SE Asia.I planted duruka (pit pit) or fiji asparagus and it grew as big as normal sugar cane so I hacked it out as well.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rank your Durian eating experience
« on: April 28, 2012, 10:52:28 PM »
There is a large asian community but they are not the growers of durians and other tropical fruits most of the time.Darwin is a similar latitude to Bangkok and has a seasonal monsoon climate and the town gets about 1500mm/yr.Where I am sitting right now gets about 2600mm/yr and ther is rainforest behind my place.There is no doubt the asian and multicultural flavour has influenced foods and fruits grown.

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