Quote from: shinzo on September 12, 2017, 11:30:28 AM

Quote from: behlgarden on September 12, 2017, 10:39:00 AM

dang 185 MPH!!!

If I was forced to live in areas where we get hurricanes like this, I would build it out of structural CMU/Concrete only with 10 feet raised foundation as well. even then windows could blow up under such pressure.

I have always wondered why in the US many (the majority?) houses are built with wood or light materials even though you have many natural risks (hurricanes, tornadoes). In my country, even with the low revenues/habitant all the houses are built with concrete (and we don't have extreme climatic events like yours). Is it cost? or is there other advantages of light buildings?

Many modern homes use cement blocks for outer walls, and wood for roof,   there is some advantages to this,   one is of course cost,  but the other is insulation.  most homes use central air-conditioning,  we use gypsum board instead of mortar to cover the inside walls,  we put insulation between the two.  the steep roof, ( attic ) is also filled with insulation,  this saves a lot on heating and cooling costs.

Also should state that in Earthquake prone areas,  a wood roof is somewhat safer.  I mention this because here in the DR.  we use all cement everything,  walls, and ceilings,  roofs are just poured cement,  no insulation, so if you put your hand on the ceiling on a sunny day you can feel the heat.   in an Earthquake these flat slabs, can fall on you.    but of course the benefit is, being strong against winds.

After Andrew,  I was working down in Homestead, and noticed complete neighborhoods, mostly destroyed, but then right next to it you see another neighborhood, almost untouched.   why?   construction code, and techniques.  its not so much whether the roof is wood or not, but how it is built.  look at Key West , they got the brunt of the storm, and you can see many wooden homes intact,  not all wooden homes are created equally.

Key West was on the good side (west) of the eye with minimal surge and lower winds than the keys on the bad side of the eye.

Quote from: igrowmangos on August 09, 2017, 02:04:38 PM

I just plated my Peach Cobbler (not like I needed anymore mango trees) and justified pulling out a Hamlin Orange tree due to the citrus psyllid insect problem in Florida. Can anyone post a photo of the fruit when ripe? Can anyone describe the growth profile of this tree? Thanks in advance...

Will look for a picture but basically green.

Tree is vigorous and upright with a very slight spread

My peach cobbler is the most vigorous mango tree I have. But not straight up. It has a nice round canopy. It is putting out new flushes non stop. It's 3 years old and is still ornamental. There were very few flowers in the spring that did not result in fruit.  I just have it a very aggressive prune cutting off about 1/3.

I think Oscar makes a good point that most people make choices about what to eat on the spur of the moment and include some poor foods. Vegans often take their diets much more seriously and are likely to more than compensate for missing nutrients by making fewer bad choices about what to eat. That is why I think a vegan diet with eggs, seafood, poultry and red meat would be fantastic for your health. I know it doesn't make sense.

I agree it doesn't make sense.  You don't have a vegan diet by consuming animal products.

Here is everything a layman needs to know about B12.

http://health101.org/art_B12_Bottom_Line.htm

And about Vitamin D

http://health101.org/art_cancer_vitamin_D.htm

On Smallpox and infectious disease.  If vaccines are so safe and good for you, then why is anyone associated with producing and administering a vaccine immune from lawsuits and prosecution?  A healthy immune system and clean lymphatic system is your best defense against infectious disease. 

http://health101.org/art_smallpox_part1.htm
http://health101.org/art_smallpox02.htm

On protein.  There is no reason for a vegan to be lacking in any essential amino acids.  They are adequately provided by plant based foods.  And I've met several vegan bodybuilders who are not lacking for protein. 

http://veganhealth.org/articles/protein

On omega 3 - think nuts and seeds (flax, hemp, chia).  Nuts and seeds are also good sources of amino acids.

http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/omega3

Bottom line, I choose to be vegan for my health, and animal welfare  and rights has been a benefit that I've come to appreciate and support since becoming vegan.  Research indicates that with a proper vegan diet I will not lack for any nutrients in a plant based diet.  My personal belief is that a plant based diet based on primarily raw fruit and vegetables will give my body the best chance for optimal health.

I encourage everyone to do what makes them happy and consume the diet that works best for them.  I'm not trying to preach or convert anyone to a plant based diet. 

As Follows...Wayyy too many FALSE STATEMENTS (in your opinion) being made to ignore:
1.There is no money to be made in being healthy = False. Vitamins, supplements, exercise machines, etc. plenty of ways to make money by helping people be healthy.

I only take a B12 supplement.  Most vitamins and supplements are pretty much a waste of money and are eliminated.  Lots of gullible people want a magic pill to lose weight.  But take into account the money spent on unnecessary supplements of around $20b per year vs $325b (2015) spent on prescriptions in the US (doesn't count doctor administered meds which would make the figure much higher) there's much more money being made in drugs.  Which companies are bigger and more valuable?  Those making vitamins or those making prescription drugs. 

And when I say "no money to be made" as you can see, I refer to where the big money is being made.

2. There is no money to be made in death = False. Plenty of money in probate to be made, ask any attorney, funeral buriels, creamations, reselling assets homes furniture etc. Reselling body parts at brain death stage but also common at cessation of birth.

Of course there is a death industry, but I'm referring to the "sick care" industry in this discussion.  They make no money when someone dies.  Getting them on multiple lifetime prescriptions is a lucrative business.

3. All the money, and there is a lot, is made in sick care. =F. Obviously other ways to make money.

Addressed above, get somebody on insulin, blood pressure meds, blood thinning meds, cholesterol meds, and god know what else and there is a lot of money on the table as long as they survive and stay in an impaired condition.  Do you really think that the big players in this business want everybody adopting healthy eating and lifestyle habits?

4. I don't call it health care because there is no cure being made, only symptoms being treated = F. There are many cures for diseases and infections. Some examples: Smallpox.
Rinderpest.Poliomyelitis (polio)Dracunculiasis.Yaws.Malaria.Hookworm.Lymphatic filariasis............Many antibiotics are used to kill bacteria infections.

Many of the successes being credited to these vaccines do not mention the impact that modern indoor plumbing and sewage disposal has had on the elimination of contagious disease.  If we still defecated in the streets in US cities we'd have major disease outbreaks.

Modern medicine is not curing and reversing heart disease, cancer, or diabetes.  Medications control symptoms.  Even cancer goes into "remission".  Diet can reverse each of these major killers of people.  Changing diet has gotten people off of insulin and cholesterol drugs.  Someone can be put in jail for making claims that they can cure these diseases via diet so you won't hear it happening.  Only medical professionals are allowed to give medical advise and they must give advice and treatment per approved practices, of which diet isn't one and probably will never be. 

5. Only the body can heal itself and it has a remarkably ability to do so. You just have to feed it properly to do so. =F. Often the body can NOT heal itself and needs supplemental antibiotics, antivirals, etc. to kill or lower the quantity of invading organisms to rid itself of the infection; without which,many would be dead quicker than normal lifespan tables.

I'm not going to say that antibiotics and emergency medicine are not good or necessary.  Medical professionals generally want the best for their patients.  What I'm saying is that if you feed the body correctly, it will remove inflammation, eliminate toxins, and regenerate healthy tissue as cells in our body are rebuilt at an amazingly fast rate.

6. You just have to feed it properly to do so.  = F. No amount of special feeding will enable the body to win the battle with some invading bacteria (ex. flesh eating) and viruses (rabies). 

There are extreme outliers for every situation and if I had a flesh eating virus or rabies, I'd go see a doctor and get treated.  I'm talking about the chronic diseases that are killing most people and consuming the majority health care dollars.

7.  I chose to be vegan to avoid chronic illness.  = False. Vegans have been proven to get sick and chronic diseases and illness just as regular humans and we all have a limited lifespan.

So far it's working good for me.  Feel free to eat your cheeseburgers and french fries.  Everyone should do what they feel works best for them.  Of course we have a finite life span and I'm not claiming otherwise.  Also, a deep fried french fry or other such food is technically vegan and unfortunately a large segment of growth in the vegan community is in junk vegan food.  A vegan doughnut is still a doughnut in my opinion.  Vegans who eat high fat and deep fried foods will likely still have inflammatory conditions occurring in their bodies leading to disease.  You have your strong opinions and i'm not sure what they are based on.  I' posted 2 books to read and a video to watch.  It only scratches the surface of what I've read and experienced over the last seven years. 

8. These really are just detox symptoms of the body that has become inflamed and lymph clogged with mucus. = F. Viral and bacterial infections are not just symptoms.... They are real and can often kill a fragile human body without assistance of antibiotics and antivirals.

They won't impact a healthy human body.  Of course a weak human body could succumb to attacks.  A well functioning and mucus free lymph system is key to keeping you body healthy.  Someone on a standard american diet will have a compromised lymph system.  A cold or flu is the body eliminating mucus from the body and lymph system. 

9.  This population should be healthier than average due to high fruit consumption. = Unknown, unproven, perhaps yes or no....

Eat standard american diet for a month and eat nothing but fruit for a month and tell me which diet made you feel better.

Regardless of being a vegan or not.... We all begin with living gametes combination as living but also the new organism (humans) has a set lifespan and as such is dying as well as living.

My opinion is that eating habits are inherited in the household and community you are raised (along with some genetic benefits or the opposite) but the eating habits have a much more profound impact on your health than the genetics.


Being a vegan or not will not change this.

What can I say other than I disagree

With luck, exercise, controlled environment, controlled intake of food, water, antibiotics, minerals, etc. you may live a little longer than another but your genes the gametes brought will also influence that.

On average you will live longer and on top of that the quality of life you enjoy will be superior.

Diet is one factor, but there are many others such as exercise, happiness, family etc that can be factors as well.  Read The Blue Zones for more on this.

Fruit is definitely above the graft. And they are the size advertised for this variety.  I'll try the other fruit on the tree before the ax but of course I can give you budwood.

I had my first Edward and it's the first one off my 3 year old tree and I can say it's one of the best mangoes I've had this year.  My Edgar has not given fruit yet so I can't say if it's better.  If it is better it must be a great mango.  It weighed 1 lb 10 oz.

My two year old tree produced 3 mangos. The first two came off the tree a bit early and were so so. The last stayed on until ripe. After eating it I get the hype. It was a very good mango and I expect they will get better as the tree matures. Fruit was 1 lb. 5 oz. and very clean. Flesh was mostly fiber free though I did need to floss after eating it. It seemed to have a few different layers of flavor. The tree is clean and healthy as well.

So I read that Angie was an early season type. When did you pick the fruit?

-My OS was a gift from someone who got it from TT. I planted it recently and it will not fruit until 2-3 years from now, yes I have read all the threads on TT and OS and LZ.

All of them ripened over the last 2 weeks. No more on the tree but a couple on the on deck circle to be eaten.

It had an early bloom and later bloom. Here are a few more pictures on fruit still hanging. I don't have a reference for what it should look like but I got the tree from you so I trust it was labeled correctly. This morning I had a honey kiss followed by a Rosigold and the honey kiss is a much much better tasting mango by comparison. I haven't had enough yet to distinguish the honey aroma and these were the first two off the tree.

It's from a friends tree and she has no idea what it is. Fruits are about 1 to 1.5 lbs deep orange flesh and fiber free. Y

You can buy long sleeve spf shirts in fishing clothing shops and in surf shops. I paddleboard frequently so I have a supply bought in paddleboard shops. They are lightweight and breathe and are very comfortable. Costco sells good hats to protect the head and ears but the nose may need some block applied.

This is being advertised as the best grafting tool in the world. It looks pretty slick. Has anyone used it?

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Try 3 sisters farm in homestead.