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I planted a 7-gal Lemon Merengue tree last fall as a replacement for a sick Lemon Zest that I was never able to recover - in the same spot. The LM is showing the exact same issues as the LZ was before I pulled it. It’s in a row of trees that includes a healthy Kesar, M-4, and Fruit Punch, two of those just 10 feet away. They are growing in the same conditions and receiving the same treatment but this LM has just gone downhill since planted and has not improved with repeated applications of 8-3-9 fert, minors, cheated iron, or foliar sprays. For this reason, I am inclined to think this is some type of disease. Would it be possible that there was some kind of disease in the area left behind by the lemon zest that infected the lm? I would like to pull this tree out to see if I can nurse it back to health at my home (this tree is at my old house that I still take care of), what would be recommended to do that? More importantly, I would like to replace the tree with a different cultivar but I am concerned to plant something else in the area. Is there anything l should do to prevent issues with whatever I plant there?

PS. I did cut that diseased center branch just after taking these pics.
Some grass around your tree looks like it may have gotten herbicide or for some reason is yellowed, just a possibility.
Lots of house builders use a special mined compaction fill I think it is a byproduct of limerock mining. I am building and the builder specified 24 inches of fill that was also highly compacted with a huge vibratory roller, they tested and got near to 100%. I plan on completely removing the stuff where I intend to plant better trees. I have noticed other folks with problems close to a house foundation. Just a thought.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: THAI DWARF VS WORLDS BEST MULBERRY
« on: August 10, 2020, 07:15:01 AM »

So you think the Wb and Thai dwarf are different?
I can't honestly say I think you would need to grow both at the same time pruning the same and compare carefully.
Here Bryce compares the two.

Here he discusses the idea that it is a hybrid which could make it have increased vigor.

I decided to give it a chance based on his recommendation. You are located close and have shared with me so can get cuttings if you like.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Trompo Canistel Growth Rate
« on: August 10, 2020, 06:56:14 AM »
I have 2 Trompo 3 years in the ground and they have been slow. I let one hold a few fruit but have decided that may have slowed it down and will remove this year. I really like this fruit two at a time are all I can eat they are very hearty & filling.

I tried one of Tony's lil Gem's it was small but clean colorful and had an enjoyable mango flavor I couldn't liken to anything but good. His Nancy was very good too, very large.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: THAI DWARF VS WORLDS BEST MULBERRY
« on: August 08, 2020, 01:18:46 PM »
I planted 20 cuttings of the World's Best mulberry this spring. I have tasted what appears to be Thai Everbearing but not the WB yet, so can't compare the two yet. I have communicated with the WB distributor Bryce Garling and he tells me the WB can be forced into bearing multiple crops by pruning if other conditions are good.
I grew the cuttings out about 2 months in pots then planted them in the field as 1 gallons. I tipped them regularly to shape and force low branching, this was a while ago they are about twice the size and I've stopped tipping.

Bryce has several videos about the variety on youtube.

You got it, John. Stinking toe! Thanks very much! Now to remember who gave it to me?

The name of the genus comes from the Latin himenaeus which means marriage, with reference to the leaves formed by two leaflets; the specific name is one of those used locally.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Manilita Mango
« on: August 03, 2020, 11:58:33 PM »
I wouldn't call my Manilita a dwarf. It is about the same size as a PPK/lemon meringue, Choc Anon, Okrung and a Carrie close by.  They are about 10 years old.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Manilita Mango
« on: August 03, 2020, 07:47:36 PM »
I have a Manilita tree about 10 years old and have been watching it bear for 3 seasons now since I bought the place.
The fruit is tasty, grows very clean and bears heavy. It is fairly early for me.
Two problems:
- the fruit doesn't hold on the tree at all, they drop very quickly when colored up ripe
One day fruit is coloring up, next day they are all on the ground.
- while they taste good when picked from the tree with just a slight bit of coloring, if left to full ripe then dropped the flesh texture becomes rather rubbery.

Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: Propagating Malanga
« on: August 02, 2020, 09:39:12 PM »
Using good conditions of water and potting you can rapidly propagate even very small buds. The older stems shown by aroidiana can be divided into bits and each one will grow into plants. They will be small but the multiplication is high.
Here are some stem pieces I cut up in the way aroidiana explained:

here is an explanation of the rapid multiplication of smaller bits:

Could anyone help me identify this tree? I got it unlabeled in a trade and also can't remember who I got it from. I believe it is a fruit tree. It has a distinctive double leaf pattern.

A vendor has been buying from me and will be selling the last of my crop at William's Park Farmer's market next Saturday.


Hey pineislander,

How big where they when you placed them underneath the shade cloth? Mine seem to do great in full sun
I grew them from seed in a shade house, in 16" Steuwe brand pots and they were about a year old at 14 inches tall, the photo was when they were just planted. I put in a soursop seedling between each achachairu tree figuring I'll get perhaps 10 years production on those before the trees get too tight, we shall see. Between each of those I put in papaya and various veg and legumes. The whole thing has grown up very well this summer even though we've been behind on rain.
The bulk of the legumes in this picture are jack beans and pigeon peas, here is what it looks like now. Between the rows I also put in some mulberries and some main frame legume trees.

Yes, the last Pine Island nursery wholesale plant listing I got in April showed they had 4,000 6 inch achachairu. That seems impressive, not sure what they have now you should call for availability in case they were growing under contract.
I grew my own from seed, they are slow. A 6" pot might only be a very young seedling in Florida you might expect another year in the pot before planting out next rainy season. I used the suggested planting method in the manual. Drive 4 stakes around the young tree and wrap with shade cloth. It has worked for me and i think if i had put them in the field without protection they may have fried.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: root rot strategy
« on: July 31, 2020, 05:32:08 PM »
With your inland location subject to frost you should reconsider the choice of fruits which are pretty tender. I've heard many north of Orlando have trouble with even mango. Is there a possibility that you are getting a high water table condition? Did the root rot take place in which season? Young trees are very susceptible to high water. Try digging a two foot deep hole in the area and monitoring the water level during a rain event.
Can you take a picture of the area showing the vegetation growing there? Is there dollar weed present? It is sometimes a sign of high water table.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: When to harvest Peanut Butter Fruit?
« on: July 30, 2020, 09:20:02 PM »
Yes, full ripe they get sticky and nearly fall off. Plant some seeds they grow VERY easily i would eat and spit seeds they often came up as volunteers.

William, I planted 20 trees a few months ago and spaced 25 feet.
This links to an informative handbook on growing by CIAT, over 100 pages very detailed, in .pdf document form:

I too would be interested. They could rival Longan some mostly wild varieties I've had in the Caribbean were very good.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: my carambolas are flowering !!
« on: July 26, 2020, 07:20:34 AM »
Try the bending trick it really works. Wait till you see a Carambola which has gotten a hard whipping in a storm they "go off" with a load of fruit. I actually bend them till I hear them crackle just before breaking, best in afternoon when branches are supple not in the morning when they are crisp.
Pruning to Produce Off-Season Fruit
Carambola trees are unique in that once a shoot and limb develop the ability to flower, they can flower repeatedly. Shoots gain the ability to flower after about 3 months of age. Pruning the willow-like long shoots (“whips”) or selecting a small diameter limb and removing all the lateral shoots from this limb to their branch collars will induce flowering in about 21 days and fruit approximately 70–80 days later. Pruning during August may result in fruit during October. Pruning during November–December may result in fruit during February–April or June. This delay in fruit production is because cool temperatures during the fall and winter may prevent fruit set during January to March; however, generally the shoots will continue to flower until fruit is set.

Flowering and fruiting may also be induced on whips by bending them from an upright position to a lateral position, clipping off the last 12 to 18 inches of growth, and clipping the leaves off but leaving a small (1/3 inch) piece of the petiole (leaf stem).

Brogdon may not fall till they are rotten. I pick when 3/4 black and they turn completely black when ripe, just a few days.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Banana Harvest Question
« on: July 24, 2020, 09:46:49 PM »
If you really want to cut a hand at a time start with the top one it formed first and will usually ripen first.
However, with Nam Wah they become very fragile when ripening. I would cut it all and separate the hands from the bunch these get really fragile and practically fall off very easy when ripe. When they fall off the skin peels and they spoil easily.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Looking for balanced acid mango
« on: July 22, 2020, 06:17:34 PM »
Just pick and eat your mangos less ripe. You can have them as acidic as you like that way.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: small growth habit papaya
« on: July 21, 2020, 10:25:29 PM »
I think all papaya get tall eventually. You will google and find some pictures which appear faked to me and won't find videos (much harder to fake) showing anyone picking ripe fruit from very short trees. The best I have done is to grow under high light in full sun exposure it can help them stay compact.
here are some TR Hovey from an old Houzz post but fruit isn't ripe yet.

Looks like a minor nutrient deficiency maybe more than one and the tree is fighting with grass growing right in the root zone. Have you given it any micronutrients at all?

We agree avocados can be picked any time after reaching mature size. Anyone's experience indicate any difference in flavor/quality when picked right after mature size, versus being picked right before falling from tree?
Definitely better. Just like red peppers are better than green pepper, they take longer to develop quality. There is loss of harvest along the way, from storms, from squirrels, from skin diseases, fruit rubbing against each other and on branches. Because of these hazards  larger growers will typically sacrifice some quality to avoid the loss and pick early.
I lived in the Caribbean and we left avocado on the tree for many months picking a few each week. One other loss on late varieties if you leave them till very close to usual bloom time in Florida which is around February-April the result may be a failure to get bloom. If the avocado fails to bloom that, in turn, sets the tree up to take a year off then begin an altranate bearing cycle where you get a heavy crop one year then no crop.

I'm headed towards the closeout there were quite a few more earlier but they have finished, I don't have very many late varieties.

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