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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Recommendations on an Electric/Gas Pesticide/Fungicide Sprayer ???
« on: February 07, 2018, 08:33:53 PM »
Quote from: Cookie Monster on February 07, 2018, 11:11:18 AM
I have mine on the #2 setting. What setting are you using?
It is super heavy. I'm able to put it on while standing, although it is somewhat of a challenge.
Mine is a 1985 model Solo Port which I bought 30 years ago. I got it running last year but it only has a variable throttle, no numbered settings. Luckily the fuel mix is 50:1 like my Stihl saw and brushcutter.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Recommendations on an Electric/Gas Pesticide/Fungicide Sprayer ???
« on: February 07, 2018, 08:00:16 AM »
Quote from: j-grow on February 06, 2018, 07:04:15 PM
Soooooo for 80 to 100 mango trees the attached picture is the way to go?

Is there a similar/equivilant that can be mounted or pulled behind a golf cart?





I also have a mist blower but have found covering trees more like 10 trees for each 3 gallon tank. I've only done fish emulsion and micros. The machine is heavy (50 lbs. when filled) you feel like an astronaut. I cannot lift the blower from the ground to my back, I use a truck tailgate and squat to get into the straps. With 50 trees it is a workout. For 100 trees I would look at one you could mount on a golf cart. One significant advantage of a mist blower is that when the blower lifts leaves upwards the spray is deposited on leaf undersides for stomata absorption and is then somewhat more protected from rain/dew washing off. Due to the leaf lifting and blowing action the spray penetrates through foliage over to the far side of most trees while a regular spray would just hit a leaf until runoff.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Adding minor elements ‘how to’ ?
« on: February 06, 2018, 06:41:56 AM »
Quote from: Johnny Redland on February 05, 2018, 11:03:34 PM
Instructions say how to mix it and note to spray up to tree runoff. Are they talking about the ‘dripline’ Of the tree and if so, I assume add it directly to the soil, is that correct?
They mean to spray the leaves until the spray "runs off" those leaves.
The rate application is different for foliar compared to soil drench. Good to fully understand directions before applying either since you could do damage if done incorrectly.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Define "dappled shade"...
« on: February 05, 2018, 08:12:46 AM »
I happened to run across what looks like the correct scientific term for "dappled shade".

The term seems to be sun flecked..

Found this mentioned by scientists studying the role of iridescence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bJA1iqWM7U



For more links here is a google search:
https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=GVJ4WpPiCsTa5gLCtLPYDA&q=sunflecks+definition&oq=sun+fleck&gs_l=psy-ab.1.1.0i10k1l3j0i22i30k1l3j0i22i10i30k1j0i22i30k1j0i22i10i30k1l2.1870.5532.0.14891.10.9.0.0.0.0.248.1174.3j5j1.9.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..1.9.1172.0..0j35i39k1j0i131k1j0i20i264k1.0.7_ICfEAcW9M

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Indoor soursop fungus ID and treatment
« on: February 02, 2018, 07:35:54 PM »
I've never considered growing soursop inside, but here in south Florida we usually see them become dormant during winter and at least partially defoliate. Our weather cools and gets dry and as Guanabanus asked if we get temps below 40 with wind they will surely lose leaves. After a good rest as temps warm and rains begin they usually come back with new growth.

You could try a regular fungicide which probably won't take more than an 8 ounce  spray bottle, then as weather warms hopefully it will come back. You might expect this to be a standard annual trajectory for this tree.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can I get opinions on a few mango varieties?
« on: February 02, 2018, 07:24:45 PM »
Not sure of the accuracy of these recommendations on BBS from Africa, but would enjoy any informed opinions on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXNeGaGYNIg

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: SoCal Papaya sources?
« on: January 31, 2018, 07:29:04 PM »
Quote from: pineislander on January 30, 2018, 07:37:58 AM
Quote from: wslau on January 29, 2018, 11:00:57 PM
You can buy seeds and grow yourself. 

http://www.shop.alohaseed.com/main.sc;jsessionid=291F74DE4CF6173133741E715BA2D241.p3plqscsfapp003

I second that suggestion and the vendor. Seed is very well packaged in foil. Germination in 2 weeks, a month or so to transplanting.
Every tree of Red Lady was either female or hermaphrodite. I saved 1/2 of the seeds for 9 months and got the same germination, even in cool weather. I'll be potting up the seedlings today.


Quote from: greenbean88 on January 31, 2018, 11:47:32 AM
Thanks for all the good suggestions I will have to due some research on germinating Papaya seeds and order some. I was at Alex's place a few weeks ago and the only Papaya plants he had for sale was that Dwarf Brazilian for $140 that is more than I wanted to spend on  a single plant. I have not been to ONG Nursery in a while I will give them a call soon.

Whoa, that is a price rape for a non-grafted seed grown plant no harder to grow than a tomato plant. 2 weeks ago I planted seeds into a tray and today I up-potted 50 plants into 2 x 2 inch pots. We even had a cold front with temps down to 39 during germination.
I would have said those Red Lady's in 1 gallons in a few weeks should be worth $5.00 ea.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are there superior Dragonfruit varieties?
« on: January 31, 2018, 06:02:13 AM »
Quote from: ricshaw on January 30, 2018, 09:06:48 PM
Quote from: pineislander on January 30, 2018, 06:46:45 PM
In the end game whatever grows best in your area. While the yellow MA may indeed be sweetest you have to wait a while to grow one to bear fruit and after every flowering many months to ripen, it has thorns, and mature plants are not available. The whites are generally less flavorful but some are large. The pinks and reds are generally less flavorful than yellow but some of them are not self-fertile so much labor and luck might be required to get any fruit at all. Many considerations here, in other words.

West coast is quite different conditions from what DF has evolved in. Florida is actually closer to the climate of their origin. Lots to think about.


I disagree.  The pinks and reds are generally more flavorful, but less sweet than the yellow Megalanthus.
Ah, thanks for the correction. I'm continuing to find more reasons to not bother growing the yellow.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soil Analysis for my yard Southwest Ranches - Recommendations Welcome!!!
« on: January 31, 2018, 05:53:35 AM »
Quote from: cbss_daviefl on February 01, 2017, 09:25:36 AM
I finally took the time to get my soil analyzed.  I wish I had done this when I moved in.  I am pretty lazy and hard headed.  My thanks to Jeff (Cookiemonster) and others for posting so much great information on soil testing and analysis.  I can now see that my pH, calcium, and zinc are way high. My potassium is way low(causing magnesium problems), phosphorus and manganese are low too.  I bought 550 pounds of Tiger90 before I did the test. It is still sitting in a shed. After I bought it, I stopped myself from applying it until I got the testing done. 

 


Comparing my spectrum report to yours of last year I notice the numbers in "Optimal" column are different for some reason.
Not sure why this would be....perhaps they vary over different pH ranges, different crops, relationship between other elements, soil type, organic matter, or some unknowns?




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are there superior Dragonfruit varieties?
« on: January 30, 2018, 06:46:45 PM »
In the end game whatever grows best in your area. While the yellow MA may indeed be sweetest you have to wait a while to grow one to bear fruit and after every flowering many months to ripen, it has thorns, and mature plants are not available. The whites are generally less flavorful but some are large. The pinks and reds are generally less flavorful than yellow but some of them are not self-fertile so much labor and luck might be required to get any fruit at all. Many considerations here, in other words.

West coast is quite different conditions from what DF has evolved in. Florida is actually closer to the climate of their origin. Lots to think about.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Inga cold hardiness pictures
« on: January 30, 2018, 06:32:41 PM »
Thanks for the info by Ingas are less than i year old and are slow as hell.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: SoCal Papaya sources?
« on: January 30, 2018, 07:37:58 AM »
Quote from: wslau on January 29, 2018, 11:00:57 PM
You can buy seeds and grow yourself. 

http://www.shop.alohaseed.com/main.sc;jsessionid=291F74DE4CF6173133741E715BA2D241.p3plqscsfapp003

I second that suggestion and the vendor. Seed is very well packaged in foil. Germination in 2 weeks, a month or so to transplanting.
Every tree of Red Lady was either female or hermaphrodite. I saved 1/2 of the seeds for 9 months and got the same germination, even in cool weather. I'll be potting up the seedlings today.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please ID unknown flowering tree
« on: January 28, 2018, 05:44:46 PM »
Quote from: Zambezi on January 28, 2018, 05:12:55 PM
Were you able to find the ID of this plant?

I think it might be Quararibea funebris! (If I am correctly identifying it from the flower.)
It's a South American native with a really fragrant flower that is used as a spice to flavor a corn-cacao drink.

I think you are correct. The photos here of the flower match exactly, leaves match exactly and the branching of four branches at one point along the leader is exactly the same. The closest name the owner had was xxxx something-cacao, which matches with the common Mexican names  Rosita de Cacao, Cacao Flower, Flor de Cacao, Madre Cacao

https://toptropicals.com/html/toptropicals/plant_wk/quararibea.htm

Thank you very much. None of the flowers set fruit, and the tree is a singular curiosity in the owner's collection. I did bring it some good compost and mulch but the owner isn't giving it any special care.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Need advice what to do with this lanky mango branches
« on: January 26, 2018, 04:46:49 PM »
Lanky growth may be influenced by the amount of light the tree is getting. Trees will grow towards the light they see and away from shade or other trees. The mango tree's nature is trying to become something 20 feet in diameter, and it appears you haven't given it what it wants so it it trying to find a place for itself. Until it finds it's place in the sun or you show it where to go it will wander.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Good ground cover species to smother weeds?
« on: January 26, 2018, 06:12:22 AM »
Not in California, but here in Florida it has a bad habit of spreading wildly. If it finds anything to climb up on like a shrub it gets inside and can climb 6 feet up into the growth. Imagine a bougainvillea or rose bush invaded can be a nightmare. If mowed it gets spread and can find it's way around pretty quickly.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Good ground cover species to another weeds?
« on: January 25, 2018, 07:41:57 PM »
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 22, 2018, 09:38:50 PM
Perennial peanut is nice. If you want to add organic matter, you can mulch over the top of perennial peanut, and it will eventually come back.

Just out of curiosity -- what does the title of this thread mean?
Cookie Monster, I'm curious about which form of Perennial Peanut you had success covering with mulch?

I have two varieties, and would like to know which you have had that grows through mulch, and how deep was the mulch?

Type 1- was grown from seed but also can grow from cuttings, has wider green-yellow leaves, it runs along on top of the ground on stolons, and looks like this:



Type 2- doesn't make seed so far as I have found, I grew from cuttings has darker green more narrow leaves and spreads from underground rhizomes, it looks like this:



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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Its Now Time To Foliar Feed For Best Crop Of Fruit
« on: January 24, 2018, 05:41:59 PM »
Quote from: Millet on January 24, 2018, 10:45:17 AM
Foliar sprays can enter into the leaf only as long as the foliar spray remains in the liquid state.  Once it drys, it can no longer be absorbed by the tree.  When urea is used the situation is a little different.   Urea is highly hygroscopic.  Hygroscopic is the ability of a substance to absorb or adsorb moisture/water from its surroundings; because of this effect, after urea is sprayed on the foliage, and eventually dries, it re-hydrates into a usable nutrient as the humidity rises. Therefore, because of this property it is a valuable additive to add a small amount of urea to other foliar sprays such as a trace mineral spray, because it will re-moisturize the spray, making foliar sprays much more nutrient efficient.
If you are doing foliar low biuret N you might want to look into the newer urea triazone products. Supposed to be better than old fashioned urea with less salts, more soluble N and a better carrier for micros.
N-sure and Triamin

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Its Now Time To Foliar Feed For Best Crop Of Fruit
« on: January 24, 2018, 07:57:56 AM »
Quote from: Millet on January 23, 2018, 05:17:38 PM
Pineislander,  Human urine, is not urea.  Ninety percent of the nitrogen content in human urine is present as ammoniacal N type, with ammonium bicarbonate being the dominant compound.
Millet, if you were using this paper as reference, they were looking at a specific type of liquid from a toilet which separates urine from feces. The effluent does include flushing water and was collected from a septic tank which had been stored for months. That could be the reason why the urea/ nitrogen was different, but I'm not sure. They do say:

Quote
Nitrogen composition
Total nitrogen concentrations varied between 1.79 and
22.61 g L -1 of which 95% was present as ammoniacal
nitrogen (Table 2). The high pH values of 8.9 result in
ca 30% of the ammoniacal N being present as dissolved
ammonia. However, no urea or uric acid was detected
in any of the samples, indicating that complete decomposition
had occurred since excretion.


https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00750100

The goal is to maintain sufficient nitrogen to the trees, correct?
I am wondering if it matters how the tree is supplied?
Is it better to use a purchased foliar amendment or to use something we usually dispose of as waste?
I am a self-reliant penny-pincher. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Meprobamato plant. Scientific name please!
« on: January 23, 2018, 07:41:57 PM »
It does resemble Plectranthus amboinicus (Cuban oregano) but isn't that. It does look like some other member of the Plectranthus family, and probably very easy to propagate from stem cuttings.

Besides the Cuban oregano I also have Plectranthus barbatus which is soft as a lamb's ear and has a soft pleasant scent.
It is known as 'Toilet Paper' plant because in the field it will serve the purpose well.
https://hubpages.com/health/Green-Leaves-as-an-Alternative-to-Toilet-Paper

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Understory Citrus
« on: January 23, 2018, 07:39:55 AM »
HLB is primarily a root disease that causes 50% decline before foliar symptoms occur. It could be that root health is improved in trees growing in a natural environment or because nutrient uptake is slower than typical citrus orchards which get fertigation and folair feeding.

The research does show that a steady controlled release of nutrients is better in the age of HLB.
http://www.crec.ifas.ufl.edu/extension/trade_journals/2015/2015_August_root.pdf

http://www.crec.ifas.ufl.edu/extension/trade_journals/2017/2017_April_boosts.pdf


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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Its Now Time To Foliar Feed For Best Crop Of Fruit
« on: January 23, 2018, 07:17:38 AM »
Millet, for in ground citrus (not potted/containers) how would a 10: 1 dilution of human urine work at the root zone for pre-bloom feeding?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please help ID this papaya!!
« on: January 23, 2018, 06:37:39 AM »
Naming the papaya is very difficult because the fruit size and shape can be variable even on the same tree. Yours look consistent with thick flesh. Second picture may show some ringspot virus but could just be where fruit touch each other. Good luck.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Good ground cover species to another weeds?
« on: January 23, 2018, 06:29:54 AM »
Quote from: stuartdaly88 on January 23, 2018, 01:12:09 AM
Centella asiatica mats and spreads nice and tight and is also attractive with its fleshy rounded bright green leaves.
Also it is hardly a staple but it is edible with great tonic benifits.

I think it like moist areas but i have seen it very happy in semi moist forested areas and the ones under my tap only do slightly better than those along the skirting of my house
Thanks!
Here it is in Florida.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xNIPdbU_WM

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida. Also, EBAY MANGO FRAUD EXPOSED!
« on: January 23, 2018, 05:58:51 AM »
Quote from: Squam256 on January 22, 2018, 11:49:50 PM

Forum member Scott then informed me last week that he had purchased 12 trees from GuavaKing. He also knew his real name: Babar Majeed. This was different than the name that he had shipped the trees under: , but both names were associated with the same companies.


Adila is a female first name.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida. Also, EBAY MANGO FRAUD EXPOSED!
« on: January 22, 2018, 07:15:58 PM »
Quote from: jbaqai on January 22, 2018, 06:59:36 PM
This is big
Can you pls share the details , how you come to this conclusion

I need this information to start my refund from Ebay or PayPal
Yes, it would be good to do a complete write up of the facts of the matter. This thread runs 4 pages and someone arriving here is likely to become very confused.
Standard question which need to be explained are who, what, where, how, and why, with timeline.

One thing I see when looking at the seller's feedback if that the claimed indian variety mangos have been sold for over a year.
https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller&userid=guavaking&iid=112709675976&de=off&items=25&interval=0&searchInterval=30&mPg=16&keyword=112709675976&page=5

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