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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help! I need to save this mango tree
« on: August 12, 2017, 09:44:14 PM »
I dont see any evidence of anthracnose.  For such a small seedling, you are treating with a lot of chemicals.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what kind of annon is this rollina?
« on: August 12, 2017, 09:36:54 PM »
Just ate one and it was great. No grittiness at all and was sweet with a lemon and slight mango ish  flavor. Way different then sugar apple and atemoya I have had. Only downfall was tons of seeds lol.

Awesome! Good to know it was about the correct ripeness.  I figured folks like Oscar and Rob would know.  How was the texture? if it was creamy and not slimy that would be good for me!

Dont let my opinion sway you before tasting.  Its just not an annona I like.   I much prefer a cherimoya, ilama or select custard apple.

I have never know rollinia to be gritty, only slimy when at their "best" (worst).  Nowhere near a good soursop in terms of texture.  Besides the rollinia texture, I have never had one I would call sweet or full flavored (I pwesonally dont like the flavor of anybI have had).  Then again, I have never had a dragon fruit I thought was great, flavorful, or sweet.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what kind of annon is this rollina?
« on: August 12, 2017, 06:29:50 PM »
It is getting soft and the spikes some  turning black on the ends
So it seems to be getting ripe in a day or two. Would the seeds be worth saving and germinating to try to grow it?
Definitely a rollinia (aka biriba), not atemoya. You can eat it now. Spikes don't need to turn black. Some like it better before full ripeness as they tend to get a bit mucous when fully ripe. Yes the seeds are worth saving and easy to sprout.

Assuming you like the fruit...while there may be good ones however I have never tasted one that I thought was worth taking another bite.

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Looks like that shipment is from Pine Island, with at least some of them from ZHPP.

You do know that mangoes on Turpentine do not do well in California.   With the varieties you show, that nursery will be keeping that stock for a while.

Those saps look to have super thin trunks.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting a Maha Chanok to a Nam Doc Mai
« on: August 12, 2017, 01:25:27 PM »
I think it's a #4. I need to see the tag. I got it from a local nursery. I did not graft it myself. Supposedly its the dwarf nam doc mai version of the larger tree. I am trying to condense trees to make more space.

Its not a dwarf.  Its a slower grower at younger age but will still get up in size.  Mine was on a dwarfing rootstock,  even with pruning it was between 15 - 20 feet at 6 years of age.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help identify the species
« on: August 12, 2017, 11:16:11 AM »
From the looks, moldy...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How were your mangos this year
« on: August 12, 2017, 11:08:00 AM »
As with many from South Florida, the concensus seems to be be that the rains created a less than stellar mango flavor year.

I'm in Indian River county with above average rainfall this year.

Glenn- Early ones were not as flavorful as some of the later fruit

Carrie- Great taste this year with good production

Nam Doc Mai- Good production with three separate blooms, did not seem to be affected flavor wise from the rains.

Lancetilla- Mine dropped early from the trees and only a few are ripening properly

Valencia Pride- Splitting and off flavors

Keitt- Still on the tree, yet to be determined

Cogshall- Mixed bag, some less than flavorful and some outstanding. Kind of a mystery

Ice Cream- Great flavor this year but small production

All in all a steady production summer, we have had a plate or two of mango in the kitchen each day since mid-late May.

...and I think I'm up 10lbs.  ;D

And like all of us, soon to be diabetic. Lol

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado tree disease
« on: August 12, 2017, 11:01:04 AM »
The disease issues aside, 15 fruits and then getting less?  15 fruits per tree makes the tree a waste of space, I couldnt imagine keeping it with so little number of fruits.  Getting less wohld make me get the chainsaw out..  Is it a seedling?

Do you see any signs of borers on the main trunk?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How were your mangos this year
« on: August 12, 2017, 10:57:15 AM »
The only fruit of mine that was lacking in flavor was Coco Nut cream I got maybe 25. Just not that coco nut cream taste. A little washed out. Ice Cream I had 2 they were ok .Truly Tropicals were better. Angie had 10 on 2 trees ok just not real sweet. Carrie 100 on first bloom good 100 on second bloom better. Venus 3 first fruit on tree good never had one before.

"Coco Nut"?  That would be Coconut. 

The Coconut Cream I had in May were actually outstanding.   The ones from mid June through July...insipid, watery and downright lousy.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting a Maha Chanok to a Nam Doc Mai
« on: August 12, 2017, 10:54:38 AM »
No fruits on Angie. The NDM is a NDM #5. I may do the NDM/Mah combo. You think Angie on a Peach Cobbler?
Well lets see here.. lets simplify this a bit...

Nam DOc Mai
Maha
Peach Cobbler
Valencia Pride
Pina Colada
CoCo Cream
Kathy
Lemon Zest
Angie

How would you pair these? Thanks....

So you arent looking to add but instead, combine?

You are its a #5?  I question any numbers unless you knew the source of the budwood/ tree it came from.  I have seen too many assumptions that everyone is propagating and selling #4...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting a Maha Chanok to a Nam Doc Mai
« on: August 12, 2017, 10:39:30 AM »
So I have an Angie. May be a Angie/Mah/NDM since all 3 are rather compact growers? Thoughts. I do have a pina colada and coco cream that I can put together as well. Just trying to make room.

Personally, I would keep Angie seperate due to it's scab issues.

Definitely keep Coconut Cream by itself due to it's growth habit

Depending on what NDM you really have, it may be slow growing but it will nit stay small without pruning.  Same really for the Maha.  They would go well together along with Fairchild.

If you like Angie, you will most likely also like Carrie and Ugly Betty, both which could be on the same tree.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting a Maha Chanok to a Nam Doc Mai
« on: August 12, 2017, 09:54:40 AM »
Keep your NDM on at least one branch so you can see if you like it. It's not one of my favorites but it is a good versatile mango. The best mango is usually the one I have in my hand. But Taste is very subjective... And you will learn that Mr. BSBullie is quite opinionated though very knowledgable :D

Just to get under someone's skin, I think you could graft Carrie to your NDM/Maha tree...
Pickering would also be a good possible 3rd type. Both of these are not super vigorous, more compact  and easy to maintain along with the NDM and Maha.

Ha 😛😅😜👍

I did say "IMO" so if you truly like NDM over others, than keep it.

While I wohld never grow it for myself, I know and understand that many really like/love Carrie (and as crazy as I feel these people are) I have no problem with it.  If I sold fruit, I would frow it for the cash crop value.

Others you could consider topworking: Fairchild and Pina Colada

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Favorite citrus options...
« on: August 12, 2017, 09:45:30 AM »
A Red Lime will give fruit year round.

If you must grow a mandarin, I would go witb Shiranui forbyour area.  If you like pomelo, I would seek out a Melovold.  It is a hybrid similar to Oro Blanco but far suoerior.

Then there is the greening issie...if it were me, other than the Red Lime (which is a dwarf-ljke tree maxing out around 7 - 8 feet),  I would buy my citrus and grow something out of the citrus family.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting a Maha Chanok to a Nam Doc Mai
« on: August 12, 2017, 09:31:25 AM »
Yikes! I had high hopes for the NMD. I get that it is not a complex mango. Would you say the NDM is as basic as an Ataulfo?

Hard to compare a home grown NDM with a grocery store commercial Ataulfo.  You will get some NDM supporters here but the Maha is like a very improved version of it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Star Cherry
« on: August 12, 2017, 09:27:56 AM »
Not familiar with that specific fertilizer.  Watering sounds ok.  Yes, they are lretty darn tart.  Since they dont come true to seed there is some variability and I have had a few that have been a tad sweeter.  I have also seen color ranging from yellow to an orangey color.  Not sure if the taste will sweeten up with age. 

Would love to make a gelato or sorbetto out of them one day

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Star Cherry
« on: August 12, 2017, 09:02:42 AM »
Your picture of the fruit on the plant look much more like I would expect so maybe it was just the actual picture of the picked fruit that made it look to not have the semi translucency.   I am still a little baffled about the rattling although if you are getting fruit, and fruit tastes good, I wouldn't worry.

What are you fertilizing with, hiw often and how often are you waterinv?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Different forms of calcium . . .
« on: August 12, 2017, 08:58:57 AM »
If there is a calcium deficiency in your soil I can understand but otherwise, why are you giving your bananas calciun and not potassium?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting a Maha Chanok to a Nam Doc Mai
« on: August 12, 2017, 08:53:05 AM »
No problem with doing it.  IMO, get rid of the NDM totally and either make it all Mahachanok or half Mah and half something else.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Star Cherry
« on: August 12, 2017, 08:46:11 AM »
It was very juicy. Very little fiber.
I would say it was perfectly ripe.
Here it is still on the plant...



Also... I was looking at FruitLovers website last night and noticed the photo of Star Cherries shows a fruit with a loose looking seed.

My plants came from Adam in Florida.

Kevin

In no way doubting its a pitangatuba,  just that the description was odd based on all the fruit I have seen.  If a fruit is very juicy, fkeshy and softer, difficult to see how you would really be able to hear or feel the seed rattle.  I was more thinking about growing conditions and care...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How were your mangos this year
« on: August 12, 2017, 05:08:49 AM »
After the early June rains, almost all fruit I tasted from multiple locations in Palm Beach County were not good, and some were even lousy.  Yes, there weee a select oddballs that showd better but only a few.  I had a small number of "ok" Sweet Tart out of the number I had, threw out many of them.  The best was Pineapple Pleasure but even that was well below what it could have been or should have been.  I also had one O-15 out of a good number of fruit I tasted that was very good, the rest were tasted and tossed.  Most were full of water.  On a consistent basis, the second the knife pierced the skin, a lot of diluted juice poured out.  I had some fruit from Bokeelia that showed better.

I had a number of early bloom fruit in May from. Palm Beach and Martin Counties that were outstanding.  The best were Lemon Zest and Pineapple Pleasure.

My assessment may sound snobish but I have no reason to eat subpar fruit.  Would rather eat good fruit or no fruit at all.  I also tasted and tossed a number of Florida grown watermelon for the same qualities.  All I have to say is thanks to the Kauai White Sugarloaf and to my fellow Cali stone fruit grower for the good fruit supply this summer.  I also had an excellent store bought plum x cherry cross that I got from Whole Foods.   It did not appear to ve a Zaiger Pluery but a different fruit cross altogether.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Star Cherry
« on: August 12, 2017, 04:51:52 AM »
Here's a couple of photos of the fruit and seed.
I noticed another fruit today was also sprouting.

Kevin





What was the texture of your fruit.  From the picture, that fruit looms a little firm and almost dry.  All of the pitangatuba I have seen and eaten, when fully ripe, have been almost delicate to the touch, and extremely juicy and softer fleshy texture.  Mo way would you have been able to feel or hear any seed rattling in them.  They have almost been semi translucent.

These are a few pictures of what I have seen as representative ripe pitangatuba.   These aren't mine but from a friend and fellow forum member.







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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sweet Tart Mango
« on: August 11, 2017, 11:36:45 AM »
For large bags of gypsum, dont know for sure if they do but check with Winfield Solutions and/or Howards Fertilizer, both in Boynton Beach.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Dream atemoya aka dream cherimoya
« on: August 11, 2017, 07:20:05 AM »
I find it a little hard to believe that you can get commercially grown stone fruits that are equal to homegrown, tree-ripened fruit, due to the fact that they have to picked hard to withstand handling and shipping.  Maybe if the fruit went directly from a small, specialty grower to a fruit stand or a specialty store...

The farmers market here actually have very good fruit selection.  These pluot I got today at the farmer market.  Dapple dandy, flavor grenade, and flavor gem.  They told me these were from Fresno area.  Too me these taste like they picked them yesterday.  Really fresh and juicy with lots of sweetness and sour for the dandy and gem.  Where as the flavor grenade was like and explosion of fresh watery crunch of sweetness.  I think the fresh fruits in San Diego and LA is pretty fresh.  Often time it is about a day in delay from pick to shipment to store when it comes to produce delivery in California. 


You mean like this?



Yes, many are very good and have been enjoying thoroughly but there are also many superior varieties that you could be growing that just will never be found at any store ir market.  The quality, as John stated, would be much better if you grew them your self.  Funny, you are aaking for average or even subpar variety fruits to grow while passing on the best...just cause you cant find them in the store.  You should really rethink things out.. 




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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Dream atemoya aka dream cherimoya
« on: August 11, 2017, 07:12:01 AM »
Exactly, plant fruits that you love that are impossible to buy in the grocery store.
The grass is always greener on the other side but those stone fruits are easily available here.
It can be hard to find good Cherimoya in CA even you know someone , they're just not nearly as widely grown .

I have no problems getting the best moyas Cali has to offer, thats why I have been making these responses.

Really, tell me, where can you buy those Arctic Stars (just as one example)?  I have tasted a number of the better variety stones from you local farmer's markets and while better than in a grocery store, its no comparison to home grown (which I have also tasted).  There are certain top notch fruits available in terms of taste but you will never see them in stores due to undesirable characteristics for commercial marketing.  Oh. And yes, they are that good, as good as and some better than any mango or moya.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not an Ice Cream banana?
« on: August 10, 2017, 02:55:11 AM »
Looks 100% like namwa, not blue java. Lucky you--blue java is a great banana, but namwa is a thousand times better.

That is where tastes are subjective.   I would rather have a perfectly ripe Blue Java over a perfectly ripe Namwa.

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