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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pickering versus Cogshall
« on: June 24, 2012, 11:36:17 PM »
Do all pickering trees tend to exhibit this funny dimple?  I have one tree that does and one that doesn't.

The one with the dimple is my oldest and best producing tree...I only have two small trees to compare, so any feedback is appreciated..bullie, squam, pugluvr...thanks!

this tree with the dimple is the one that I've fed to people who say its not pickering.  I'm guessing it just taste different because I grow in greenhouse pretty much through winter...I had fruits to eat quite early as a result.



Not sure about the actual dimple/hole but the shape, coloration, markings and beak all look like a Pickering.  From what I can see of the leaf, confirms Pickering also.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pickering versus Cogshall
« on: June 24, 2012, 11:16:36 PM »
any good whitesapote will suffice.

do u detect a coconut taste in Southern blush??

thanks Rob,

I'm going to snippety snip one off asap...I'm salivating!

if u want a taste sensation, dice a suebell white sapote with a southern blush mango... I did this today and it was a most phenomenal fruit salad.
I have plenty of very yummy Southern Blush...I am lacking a Suebell  :(
unfortunately I don't have any white sapote of any variety.

As to Southern Blush and coconut flavor.  I never thought of it so I just went and cut one...no coconut aroma but I do detect a coconut nuance in the taste.  Definitely more than in a Pickering.  Ironically I just ate my very first ever Tong Bi Con tonight, I detected a coconut nuance in that as well.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pickering versus Cogshall
« on: June 24, 2012, 11:07:29 PM »
OK, OK I give up.  I just read this whole thread.  I've got to ask, bsbullie what mangos would you call excellent?  I bought a Pickering because of the great reviews and now you're telling me it's not great.  Hopefully I'll have some of he ones you consider excellent.

Bill
To ME, the following I would call "the best":  Mahachanok, Cushman, Mallika, Coconut Cream, Lemon Zest, Edward, Southern Blush, Dot, PPK/Lemon Meringue, Neelam and Tong Bi Con (based on the one I had tonight...the first one I ever tried).  There are also a number of varieties that fall just outside what I would consider "the best". 

Everybody, please read and let me clarify...I am giving MY opinion on them (and other varieties mentioned). Me saying they are not excellent in no way means that somebody else may think they are excellent (and again, they are good, just not what I would call excellent...if it make you feel better, to ME, they are MUCH better than a Carrie).  I am sure there are many varieties that I think are excellent that others don't.  What each person likes is 100% subjective, no right or wrong.  That is why it is routinely said to taste a mango first, when possible, before you buy it.  When that is not an option, you just have to go by what is said and written.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pickering versus Cogshall
« on: June 24, 2012, 11:03:06 PM »
thanks Rob,

I'm going to snippety snip one off asap...I'm salivating!

if u want a taste sensation, dice a suebell white sapote with a southern blush mango... I did this today and it was a most phenomenal fruit salad.
I have plenty of very yummy Southern Blush...I am lacking a Suebell  :(

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pickering versus Cogshall
« on: June 24, 2012, 10:50:49 PM »
while I have some mango lovers attention, may i ask when you pick ice-cream mangoes?

let them fall,or cut off full sized and blushed yellow ??

im too excited to eat one, I don't want to jump the gun, or miss the boat..: I was thinking i could pick them quite like Carrie? am I wrong?

thanks!
Season is mid to late June into July.  If you see a yellow blush on them, go ahead and pick them.  They can also be picked without any yellow.  As you probably already know but if not, there is no red or orange blush/color to them at all.  As with any mango, do not let them drop.  All that will do is cause damage to the fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pickering versus Cogshall
« on: June 24, 2012, 09:57:51 PM »
Rob,

who sells a mango and says it bland?

Zill released the mango (or whoever) and gave it a description of being sweet...that's what we go by...the taste didn't match. 

Not much more I can say.

i don't think Pickering is the greatest either...unless u want to grow outside of the proper zones for mangoes.

if the mango was bland, and the description is sweet, why couldn't I assume I didn't have a good representation of this cultivar?

it's either sweet or not...if not sweet, it's not what others have been describing it as.

in this case you can safely assume that not everyone describes bland mangoes as being sweet.
To ME, I would include flavor if someone said it was bland.  One persons description of bland flavor could vary from anothers (I have seen it a hundred times this year just with the Glens I have sold...they are truly very watered down and bland for a Glenn yet many people buy them up saying they are delicious and just like they "should be".  In this case, I would say they are not representative while other say they are...

Again, to ME, the Pickering is not a fantastic mango.  It is very good with great attributes in its dwarf size and fruiting at a small size.  Others will disagree that they feel it is fantastic.  Who is correct, both are.  Its all subjective in this case, no right or wrong.  In comparison, if someone says a Tommy Atkins is fiber free, that is different and there is a right/wrong.
Nobody is "selling" them as bland.  I am making a statement, as others on here have said, that most Glens are watered down, aka bland, this year from all the rain (I think you can do a search and find Squam saying they were bland and he is selling them).  Just a fact.

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I am glad you clarified that casue I was going to but I know someone would have blasted me for it  ;) ;D :P

It's all about the way that it's said... Lol You just have a way with words Rob.

Noel, Can I combine part one and part two into one thread?
;) ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D :o :o :o :P :P :P 8) 8) 8)

Classic Movie Line #15

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pickering versus Cogshall
« on: June 24, 2012, 09:46:10 PM »
if the mango was bland, and the description is sweet, why couldn't I assume I didn't have a good representation of this cultivar?

it's either sweet or not...if not sweet, it's not what others have been describing it as.

in this case you can safely assume that not everyone describes bland mangoes as being sweet.
To ME, I would include flavor if someone said it was bland.  One persons description of bland flavor could vary from anothers (I have seen it a hundred times this year just with the Glens I have sold...they are truly very watered down and bland for a Glenn yet many people buy them up saying they are delicious and just like they "should be".  In this case, I would say they are not representative while other say they are...

Again, to ME, the Pickering is not a fantastic mango.  It is very good with great attributes in its dwarf size and fruiting at a small size.  Others will disagree that they feel it is fantastic.  Who is correct, both are.  Its all subjective in this case, no right or wrong.  In comparison, if someone says a Tommy Atkins is fiber free, that is different and there is a right/wrong.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing true dates in South Florida
« on: June 24, 2012, 09:38:50 PM »
Hmm... I've got dry air... maybe I should give it a shot if I can find a dwarf that makes good fruit...

(I guess I'm thinking about new plants a lot because I just rearranged my plants after repotting, stacking a lot more vertical, and now I've got all this extra floor space... though lol I know my existing plants will eventually eat it up)
The Phoenix palms that produce the dates are rather large (height wise and size of the crown).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pickering versus Cogshall
« on: June 24, 2012, 09:34:53 PM »
Alexi,

I think so...I have two fruiting pickerings from Zill that are both Pickering, but one makes a slightly different shape fruit...one is shaped like Carrie, the other has a strange cleft dimple thingamajig...let me' see if I can find pics of what I'm blathering about.

I've fed my Pickering to someone who's had them before, and they told me it wasn't Pickering...this could all be cultural,though I guess...I do grow these under strange circumstances...so maybe this is the case...I think both possibilities are not too far fetched

Another possibility is that one of your two plants was accidentally mislabeled. I think that could happen in any operation, even one as fine as Zill's.
Absolutely...I know for a fact it has happened there and at other nurseries.  Better to find out as a small tree in a pot than a in ground tree that is 20+ feet tall (yes, I know somebody that it happened to)...

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Actually, Gene didn't contribute any of his own mangos to the display. He only has a few mango varieties and only his Zill fruited this year. Gene did contribute about half of the mangos (unlabled) on the table that he collected from TREC and the Fruit and Spice Park. The remainder were donated from Truly Tropical, Excalibur, and myself. We had about 60 varieties on the table, just a small sample that will be on display at Fairchild on July 14.


Most of these mangos were grown by Gene Joyner

Thank you for sharing.  Gene may have many of these varieties, but I believe most of these mangos came from Truly Tropical Fruit Stand.
I am glad you clarified that casue I was going to but I know someone would have blasted me for it  ;) ;D :P

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pickering versus Cogshall
« on: June 24, 2012, 09:31:10 PM »
I'd think you could taste one fruit and know it wasn't representative of the cultivar...if the description is sweet, and it was bland...then usually the fruit was substandard, and it's not just a craving for a sweeter mango.

Pickering is very nice, but has no coconut flavor...I find the southern blush fruits from Ensey's place are one of the best mangoes I've had...even better than other southern blushes that tasted nice and sweet last year from colorfield farms mango festival.

the southern blush at ensey's had a distinct coconut taste...unlike any other mango I've had.
To me, to be able to make a claim if it were representative you would have to at least be able to compare to one other tasting.  AS to why I don't agree with your summation to the one time try based on what others say/what is printed...many people love a Carrie and a lot may feel what is written is gospel.  Well, as you may have read once or twice, it is probably in my bottom five consistently...I don't agree with some of the descriptor for it (again, my opinion...I will not and can not argue that someone else thinks its good or their favorite).  To clarify, I will not even make an effort to eat one at all if there is another variety around.  I have had none this season and don't plan to have any either (yes, I have had many from different sources over the years and my thoughts on it have not changed).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pickering versus Cogshall
« on: June 24, 2012, 09:22:31 PM »
While their could be some flavors/texture/quality variance in mangoes with respect to when/where/why/how, the variety is still the variety and it will not be totally different that what it is "known" to be.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pickering versus Cogshall
« on: June 24, 2012, 08:56:22 PM »
many people I've talked to say that pickering has coconut taste.

None for me so far.

I have only eaten from 2 trees of 10 pickerings I have..and even those differed quite a bit.

I'd think you could taste one fruit and know it wasn't representative of the cultivar...if the description is sweet, and it was bland...then usually the fruit was substandard, and it's not just a craving for a sweeter mango.

Pickering is very nice, but has no coconut flavor...I find the southern blush fruits from Ensey's place are one of the best mangoes I've had...even better than other southern blushes that tasted nice and sweet last year from colorfield farms mango festival.

the southern blush at ensey's had a distinct coconut taste...unlike any other mango I've had.

The soil can play a major role in how a particular variety of mango tastes. Same goes to any type of mango. Maybe pickering can have some sort of a coconut flavor if grown in a certain type of soil.

Can it be that one budwood was from a "sport" branch hence the difference in flavor among different trees of the same variety?
 ???

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Is there a problem with fruitlovers website?  I can't get it to load.  Thanks!
Not for me, I was able to get on with no problems.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: cracking coconuts
« on: June 24, 2012, 08:02:57 PM »
Karen there are many kinds of dwarf coconuts and I have seen fruiting specimens with a trunk of only 1m and in 2 ft (60cm) pots.Malay red and orange are productive types with excellent quality coconuts with thinner husks than the wild types.They are preferred by many due to their beautiful colour,better nuts and lower hazard.Resorts seem to plant malay orange dwarfs for dramatic effect.
So Palm Beach has productive coconuts.


Hehe, awesome... looks like I'll be picking up some coconuts when I head to the US this November  ;)
I would start searching well ahead of time as TRUE dwarf coconuts are not easy to come by.  There is a misnomer in that some people call some coconuts "dwarf" that fruit at an early age and very low trunk height but ultimately the palm grows to heights that would not classify them as dwarfs.

Any suggestions on where to look?  Also, is it possible to "pug" a coconut palm?  I've got ~3 meters height in here and if I have to I have permission to use the central greenhouse which can handle plants up to about 6m, give or take.  But I'd really rather not use it because once something starts getting big in there, it's never coming out again.
I will check around.  Oscar MIGHT have coconuts available between now and then (the fruit/seed not the plant).  Taking back a seed/fruit versus an actual plant may be your best bet as even a small coconut (plant) will take up a lot of space.

Nope, can't pug a coconut.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Picture of Mangos
« on: June 24, 2012, 07:50:32 PM »
I've read this post 3 times and still don't understand what the heck you guys are talking about.

Very nice photo.  Thanks for posting.  Definitely a lot of mango goodness there.

Bill
As to what ?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: cracking coconuts
« on: June 24, 2012, 07:49:28 PM »
Karen there are many kinds of dwarf coconuts and I have seen fruiting specimens with a trunk of only 1m and in 2 ft (60cm) pots.Malay red and orange are productive types with excellent quality coconuts with thinner husks than the wild types.They are preferred by many due to their beautiful colour,better nuts and lower hazard.Resorts seem to plant malay orange dwarfs for dramatic effect.
So Palm Beach has productive coconuts.

Hehe, awesome... looks like I'll be picking up some coconuts when I head to the US this November  ;)
I would start searching well ahead of time as TRUE dwarf coconuts are not easy to come by.  There is a misnomer in that some people call some coconuts "dwarf" that fruit at an early age and very low trunk height but ultimately the palm grows to heights that would not classify them as dwarfs.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Oxkutzcab Sapodilla
« on: June 24, 2012, 07:39:34 PM »
All saps have a varying range as far as harvesting time goes (some range larger than others, up to six months or so).  I have had Ox that were super sweet and some that were moderately sweet.  Don't know how much rain has fallen in the area where the Ox you had came from but that could be a contributing factor.  Any tree can be kept trimmed to what height you want it...BUT...if you are looking for a sap of smaller size, the Makok and Silas Woods are your best bet (Personally I would eliminate the Silas Woods as the fruit is very small, the limbs can be subject to breakage from the weight of the fruit, and the fruit is not the greatest (taste-wise and flesh to skin/seed ratio).  Alano is an excellent variety that would probably work.  Its not a large growing tree, is a heavy bearer, long harvest season and excellent quality fruit (sweet, low stone cell content and medium size).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pickering versus Cogshall
« on: June 24, 2012, 07:26:04 PM »
If you only tasted one Pickering, how do you know it wasn't representative ?

Yes, Angie is a larger tree than Pickering.  While Pickering has good attributes in its tree size, I would have to go with Cogshall for being a better quality mango.  Personally, I think Pickering gets a little bit of over recognition due to its dwarf growth habit.  While a well ripened Pickering is a good to very good fruit, it is not what I would consider excellent.  A well grown, well ripened Cogshall can be excellent.

Will your sister be able to keep it pruned or is it basically plant it and let it grow ?  What size tree are you looking to buy as this would make a difference.  Also, where would you buy it, again, this would also make a difference.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Picture of Mangos
« on: June 24, 2012, 07:15:15 PM »
The name Bat is not an acronym with respect t the mango itself, it is the name given to the mango by the Wilsons which signifies their ownership.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Lychees in South Florida
« on: June 24, 2012, 10:12:51 AM »
I just picked up the last of a batch of excellent Emperors grown in Palm Beach County.  As stated by others, me thinks the lychee season is coming to, or just about has come to an end in Palm Beach County.   With that being said, bring on the longans.  Lets hope their quality was a good as the quality of the lychees this year (lychee quality was excellent even though quantity was down).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A star is born
« on: June 24, 2012, 10:08:47 AM »
I have had the B17 and it is indeed an excellent Carambola...rivaling if not topping what is commonly currently available in SFla nurseries.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bad weather brewing
« on: June 24, 2012, 09:18:30 AM »
While the current official NHC track has Debby going into Texas.  Don't be surprised if the official track is shifted well to the East and North, missing Texas altogether.  I would not even rule out the possibility of her center coming ashore in the Big Bend area of Florida  across thru the Panhandle.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Picture of Mangos
« on: June 24, 2012, 08:36:02 AM »
Nice picture, Valencia Pride seems to stand out, such a clean looking mango.  I see one marked as "BAT" in the back, what mango is that?

Mr Clean lives in Palm Beach county Florida so this is a representation of mangoes there on June 24th 2012. My minor quibble is that the names are not printed on the mangoes. They are written with an indelible Sharpie brand pen. When I give mangoes to people I like to write the names on them...... To further their mango education

Nice photo from where?
I am not understanding.  The names are written on the fruit.  Are you saying it should be written with a different kind of pen ?

My guess is that is from the tropical fruit even at Mounts Botanical Garden yesterday.

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