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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Ilama (Annona diversifolia)
« on: February 11, 2012, 02:01:53 PM »
The Illamas are grafted on custard apple rootstock and they are cold hearty.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hatcher Mango
« on: February 11, 2012, 09:14:21 AM »

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introducing WikiFruit.com!
« on: February 10, 2012, 07:07:06 PM »
i never said anything about seeds the size of ants

Sorry about that LL  :-[, I thought you had mentioned that in a previous post when referring to swallowing the seeds....of course, now I can't find the post.


you're referring to the seedless lychees thread

Thanks, thats it, and it was simon_grow who said, "I've never had a seedless lychee but I did on several occasions have lychees whose seed was the size of about an ant."

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introducing WikiFruit.com!
« on: February 10, 2012, 01:24:25 PM »
i never said anything about seeds the size of ants
Sorry about that LL  :-[, I thought you had mentioned that in a previous post when referring to swallowing the seeds....of course, now I can't find the post.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introducing WikiFruit.com!
« on: February 10, 2012, 01:12:18 PM »
nice- i will def add my observations growing lychees in containers
Please do not add reference as to eating the seeds  ;D  The seed the size of an ant ?  Must be large ants  :P

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You mean inaccu-weather...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What's The Best Tasting Carambola?
« on: February 09, 2012, 12:30:46 PM »
Fwang Tung!!!

I love these, like a sweet green apple!
I have never tasted a Fwang Tung that tasted anything remotely like a green apple, sweet or tart...my very least favorite out of all I have tasted.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: help me choose a mango
« on: February 09, 2012, 11:12:39 AM »
While Julie is your best bet size wise (being a dwarf), it has more of a spicy characteristic  than being acid/tart/tangy.  If you are truly looking for sweet and tangy, I would go with Golden Glow or Carrie and my personal choice would be Golden Glow since I am not a fan of Carrie.  You will have to do some creative pruning but you will need to do this in any event so you can maintain indoors and outdoors in your locale.

Where did you get an opportunity to taste the golden glow? It sounds pretty good from what I read on google. Is it available in FL?
I have not personally tasted Golden Glow nor do I know if it is being grown in Florida.  Based on everything I have read and heard, of the four mentioned (and having tasted three of the four), Golden Glow would be my choice.  I have had Rapoza from Zills and didn't think it was anything special...just average if you want me to be truthful.  I would have to put it in the class of the Dwarf Hawaiian...would I eat it if made available, yes.  Would I buy the tree of either, NO.  Would definitely not go out of my way to grow it with the many other varieties available.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What's The Best Tasting Carambola?
« on: February 09, 2012, 10:39:35 AM »
I have never been a fan of carambola until recently.  I have been picking the fruit at maximum ripeness stage, from Excalibur's trees, and have found the following:

Bell - moderately sweet to sweet, least favorite, had a bit of astringency though by cutting off the skin that dimished
Kari - very sweet, tropical citrus flaors, strong/intense flavor (for a carambola)
Sri Kembanqan - very sweet, tropical citrus flaors, strong/intense flavor (for a carambola)
Hart - sweet with a different spectrum of flavors, not as intense flavored as Kari and  Sri Kembanqan

As I stated above, these were all picked with full ripe color, very little to no green color left.  When picked like this they must be eaten fairly quickly but it was well worth it.  At this ripeness stage, they would be excellent chilled and put through a juicer.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: help me choose a mango
« on: February 08, 2012, 04:45:03 PM »
harry- wasnt my memory- I googled Rapoza and saw the post.
I decided to go with Julie. Everyone has to have a Julie!so in a few months time, I should be the proud owner of
Hanging Green,  No Mai Tze, Emperor lychees and Julie Mango.
Really excited.
I will almost certainly have the only Hanging Green,  No Mai Tze lychee trees in NY!
Ahhh, NO  ;) ;D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: help me choose a mango
« on: February 08, 2012, 04:42:35 PM »
harry- would you pick pickering over julie if it were available.
oscar, is pickering available!?
I am not Harry but I would choose Pickering over any of the four mentioned hands down.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Ilama (Annona diversifolia)
« on: February 08, 2012, 04:40:50 PM »
Murahilin or Rob do either of you know what rootstock Excalibur is using for the Ilama?

Thanks,

Ed
Funny you ask, Richard wasn't sure on first thought when I asked him.  I will see if I can find out for you.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Ilama (Annona diversifolia)
« on: February 08, 2012, 02:41:32 PM »
Excalibur has grafted Ilamas.

Last I spoke to them they said they did not have any in smaller sizes and only had the few giant ones in large pots. They have recently grafted a bunch that will be ready in a few months. Have you been told differently?
Richard had said he did, though I didn't ask what size.  I know they have some that are 2-3 months off, maybe that is what Richard was referring to.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: help me choose a mango
« on: February 08, 2012, 12:37:57 PM »
While Julie is your best bet size wise (being a dwarf), it has more of a spicy characteristic  than being acid/tart/tangy.  If you are truly looking for sweet and tangy, I would go with Golden Glow or Carrie and my personal choice would be Golden Glow since I am not a fan of Carrie.  You will have to do some creative pruning but you will need to do this in any event so you can maintain indoors and outdoors in your locale.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Ilama (Annona diversifolia)
« on: February 08, 2012, 11:01:32 AM »
Excalibur has grafted Ilamas.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Lemon Zest Budwood
« on: February 07, 2012, 05:23:36 PM »
I plan to prune my tree tomorrow and will have three pieces of Lemon Zest budwood if anyone is interested.
taking a chance on no more cold weather ?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which New Zills Mango
« on: February 07, 2012, 02:43:51 PM »
How do the textures of the LZ and LM compare?
They are both very creamy and juicy.  Maybe the LZ is slightly better in both categories but I feel that is probably due to the number of different producers of the PPK and how they care for their trees/fruits.

By the way, as murahilin said, Excaliburs should all be in 15 gal and have been pruned back.  They are approximately 4'-5' in height (actual height of tree).  This may actually be beneficial as when the trees begin to flush this year you should have a better branching system right off the bat.  If you want I will send you some pictures on Saturday.

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Doesn't everybody realize the risks that one takes just by breathing and walking the earth.  ::)

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Oscar - agree 100%.

By the way, I edited my previous post to correct the spellings/typos.  PJ/murahilin - I really wish you guys could find a way to fix the light gray color of the font while typing in a post  :)




Hi Adam Rob, you can already change that light grey color to black already by just clicking Toggle View, that is the last button on bottom right (has red brackets around the symbol).
Oscar

You are the man (and have earned your stripes as Sr. Member), or is that jelly bean :) :)  Maybe I wont be permanently cross-eyed after all.

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Oscar - agree 100%.

By the way, I edited my previous post to correct the spellings/typos.  PJ/murahilin - I really wish you guys could find a way to fix the light gray color of the font while typing in a post  :)

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You would know which it was by the taste.  Two totally different tastes.  Carrie has a definite tanginess while the Fairchild is pure sweetness (no tangy character) and possibly a little spice.  Texture of a Carrie is also softer, and nears or turns to mushy when very ripe.  Fairchild does not have this texture issue.

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No.  Carries are more yellow in color.  As to shape, while I have seen some Fairchilds with that shape I have also seen some variability with a more rounder, less "classic" mango shape.

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Because when the day is done you are only screwing the consumer! The average consumer has no clue this crap is taking place! They think Hopkins or whoever has discovered a new variety so they buy it not realizing they may allready be growing it or tried that variety and didn't even like it! Hopkins doesn't have to pay the trade mark fee nor do they have to propagate the material and sell it! It is a choice they make to avoid the fee and then create confusion among collectors and growers! Again most growers would rather pay $4 or $5 extra than buy the same plant twice by a different name. So I guess Hopkins will be confused by the new Zill Mangos and have to create new names for them to avoid the trademark fee!

Sincerely,

Ed Self

I don't think they are doing it solely to avoid the fee, but largely on principle. I would not sell the sweetheart as the sweetheart if I had a nursery. Why should someone else get money for doing absolutely nothing. If they had a patent on the variety that is another story and they would deserve any fees.

The situation you described about renaming Zill's cultivars does not apply to what Hopkins is doing because Zill's created those cultivars unlike the sweetheart people. To rename a Zill's cultivar would be wrong. It was wrong when Pine Island renamed an already named cultivar, the Young, to Tebow.

Trademarking a name is not wrong in itself because it is usually done for marketing purposes and people would generally know the name of the original cultivar as with the Ataulfo. Nurseries know the original name for the champagne mango so they do not have to sell it as Champagne and then pay fees. The real name of the sweetheart is not known so it is free game to rename. I know it is not the best solution so that is why there needs to be a DNA analysis of the sweetheart and compare to all the cultivars in FL and Australia. This will end the renaming and I am sure Hopkins will gladly call the "sweet sensation" by its original name.

To pay a few dollars extra to the sweetheart people is not fair to growers because as I've said before, the sweetheart people did not create the variety, instead they just RE-named it. Why should someone have to pay for a renamed name of an already named cultivar? That's unfair to all the nurseries that sell the "sweet sensation".

On another note, I don't think the sweetheart trademark would likely hold up in court. I explained my reasoning in another post. It will be interesting to see if they actually do sue anyone and what the result would be.
I agree 100% and in doing so the name Tebow has now spread across the nation.  Some people who own it strictly for the name, in Timmy we trust, will never know that they really have a Young. 

As I believe someone else said, Pine Island has also taken the name(s) of certain dragon fruit and "renamed" them with their own names.  Since Pine Island ships nationwide, the "rename" is and has been spread across the country.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which New Zills Mango
« on: February 07, 2012, 12:15:21 AM »
There is no comparison.  Two totally different mangoes, not a renaming issue.  The LZ taste like orange sherbet (with a little orange tanginess) while the PPK/Lemon Meringue tastes like lemon, no orange characteristics whatsoever.  With both grown equally, the LZ is slightly bigger than the PPK.  With that being said, I have seen a lot of small PPKs and ones that are bigger than "normal".  All of the LZs I have seen have been fairly consistent size wise (maybe because the source has all been the same).  I would keep both if you have the space, if its either/or, no question, LZ would be the choice.

I can't remember a strictly lemon taste from the PPK. I got an orangy citrus taste. I guess my palette is just not as refined.

I did not get an orange sherbet taste from the Lemon Zest. Oh well.

Let me clarify:

PPK - not like a sour lemon but a sweet lemony cream, similar to that of a lemon meringue pie.  Is it sweet, yes,  Is it sour like biting a lemon, no...unless you are talking a lemon after eating a miracle fruit :

LZ - I still say it tastes like a tangy orange sherbet (I did say tangy in my previous post).  Maybe thats the lemon component but either way it did have a true characteristic taste of orange sherbet in a mango.

Keep in mind that one must have some "creativity" when describing tastes.  To my wife, a mango is good or just ok.  She does not detect most of these specific flavors.  Take the Pina Colada or Gary for example, does it taste like eating a pina colada drink ?  No...but it does taste like a mango with a true reminiscent character of a pina colada while eating a mango.  Same with Coconut Cream, picture eating a sweet mango with a heavy creamy coconutty character (reminiscent of the flavor if a coconut cream pie).

Like murahilin said, since tastes are subjective and each person's palettes are different, some people may detect different nuances that others can't.  Ask my friends and family, I have always been told I have "extra" taste buds unlike most people in that I can detect flavors that others can't (kind of like a wine tasters/reviewers, which is one "culinary" area that I have been told that my taste buds excel in).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which New Zills Mango
« on: February 06, 2012, 07:03:56 PM »
Could someone give me the compare & contrast the size of the fruit, flavor & production of theLemon Zest to Lemon Meringue (PPK)? Is is so superior that it would be worth replacing my 25 gal size PPK?
There is no comparison.  Two totally different mangoes, not a renaming issue.  The LZ taste like orange sherbet (with a little orange tanginess) while the PPK/Lemon Meringue tastes like lemon, no orange characteristics whatsoever.  With both grown equally, the LZ is slightly bigger than the PPK.  With that being said, I have seen a lot of small PPKs and ones that are bigger than "normal".  All of the LZs I have seen have been fairly consistent size wise (maybe because the source has all been the same).  I would keep both if you have the space, if its either/or, no question, LZ would be the choice.

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