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Wood chips have no nitrogen thats why they decompose soo hard.
Wood chips will draw somme nitrogen out of the soil in order to break down and if you add N fertiliser for your tree then somme of that N will be taken by the wood chips and you will notice it will break down faster.
Green plants with water contain less carbon than wood chips but they contain a lot of nitrogen,especially the nitrogen fixer plants.
Once you get the green matter dry ,it becomes like wood chips ,verry poore in Nitrogen and will break down slow.
If its dry like wood or straw then it lacks nitrogen and all the nitrogen has been released back into the atmosphere( evaporated).
Even cow manure or horse manure ,once it gets dry there is verry little nitrogen left in it and its safe to use right away but you have to add nitrogen to make it break down better.For this reason i use only the freshest manure possible because i want the nitrogen not the carbon.

If you want to add carbon into the soil add wood chips but if you want to add nitrogen,then add fresh( non dryed) green matter.

Also by using wood chips there is a high risk to infect your trees with the worst possible pest ,a fungi like Armillaria sp wich can wipe out whole forests of almost every tree specie and has no cure.
Armillaria is verry common and be sure you have it in your area and close to your orchard.It looks like this and for a non trained eye might look like ,,beneficial mycorrhizae fungi,, but its not and it actually kills the tree.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sulphur
« on: May 22, 2020, 07:48:24 PM »

 I won't comment on your threads anymore.
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There is always room for debate in my threads and your always welcome to comment even if your opinion difers from my opinion.No worry about that, but common sence should be used and we all can learn from otthers experiences.
There is a difference from having a different opinion than me wich i can respect  and mocking my thread wich i cant respect.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sulphur
« on: May 22, 2020, 07:14:50 PM »
Here is what these guys say about sulphur.Its a fungicide recognised for 51 crops in USA.
Who else says this is not a fungicide just spreads disinformation wich is common now a days with all the conspiration theories followers.
https://buildasoil.com/products/micronized-sulfur?variant=42159807570

As for Lebmung,i dont even answer you because you like to argue in my forums and i dont have time to waste my breath and educate you about the subject.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: id + advice
« on: May 22, 2020, 06:37:17 PM »
Plant like that and take a few leaves off so that the roots wont have to feed too manny leaves.
Its a verry tough plant.
At first you could keep them in shade with maybe 1 hour of sun until it grows more roots.
I kept mein in full shade,indirect light behing the house and its 15 years old now.
Drought resistant also as i didnt watered my monstera until recently ,was inside greenhouse and was 6 month since she had seen no water.
Off course mein has no leaves now but it will grow again and i watered her last week.
Mein had seen -4 C in the pot inside the greenhouse but for short perriods of time and water didnt frozen and survived well just the leaves fall.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: id + advice
« on: May 22, 2020, 05:18:39 PM »
Yea thats monstera deliciosa and has even fruits on it.
Good find.Its an expensive plant to buy usually.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: id + advice
« on: May 22, 2020, 04:51:15 PM »
Post pictures.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sulphur
« on: May 22, 2020, 04:46:06 PM »
Sulfur is not an anti fungal. Sulfur is essential to ALL life and forms important amino acids which makes up proteins.
You are right but you missed the point of the forum.
This is about using inorganic sulphur,elemental sulphur ,to add it to the soil for lowering the ph.
We are not talking about the role of inorganic sulphur for life forms in wich case even fungi use organic sulphur compounds to kill bacteria( known as antibiotics) ,plants use sulphur compounds to kill fungi and so on.
Antibiotics if you remember,are yellow dust wich smell like sulphur but off course they are organic substances and the forum is not about organic chemistry .
It is also a verry verry strong antifungic used in medicine and to treat orchards.
Its used to sterilise vine barrels,beehives ,treat fruit trees against  the most strongest fungus and its the reason why the apples from supermarket last for a year or so before they are sold on the market.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Reverse osmosis water
« on: May 22, 2020, 04:31:22 PM »
Reverse osmosis water its used as a substitute for rain water  and is good to use it for indoor plants that need low ph soil.
You wouldnt want to add the minerals back to the osmosis water and the lower TDS the better.
You can also lower the ph of the water by using a little vinegar .

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Garden hose
« on: May 21, 2020, 10:06:43 PM »
Lee County in SW Floridaa is a model for sewage sludge recovery. Most counties in Florida dump their sludge on land which is not a good practice. Our county teamed up with adjacent ones to compost the sludge at high tmperature very professionally along with ground yard waste. The product is tested and high quality.
https://www.leegov.com/solidwaste/residential/compost
Nice recycling plant and the compost looks good too .
Milwaukee with their Milorganite are also a good example of recycling and they do it for 90 years allready.
Here we have the biggest recycling company in south eastern Europe and they also make compost thogh they dont sell it to supermakets iet.
We have nice ,stainless steel garbage bins that are underground and when they come to take the garbage they lift the whole underground platform.
Each platform has 3 bins and one is for compost making material.


I have a hat from the garbage company wich sometimes i like to wear it out in the city.Nobody wants to go out with me when i wear that hat and neighbours started to think i work as garbage colector.
Nice hat that not even monney can buy.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sulphur
« on: May 21, 2020, 09:39:30 PM »
Elemental Sulfur on plant serfaces prevents germination of spores of various Powdery Mildew species.  It does little to nothing against already germinated spores or existing infections of Powdery Mildew.  It does little to nothing against Anthracnose, or many other species of fungi.
I dont reccomend to use sulphur and Mycorrhizae supplements in same hole at the same time.
Its a waste of monney because it will kill the mycorhizae wich is expensive.
Also sulphur kills manny types of fungus and its verry strong  compared to Captan and by fumigations probably beats Captan.
Adding sulphur to the soil to lower the ph its not as strong as fumigations but will kill mycorrhizae no doubt about that.
There is not even understud by scientists how does sulphur kills fungus but its certain it does it and its sold as a powerfull antifungic.
On the label of my sulphur bags there was a long list of types of fungus it kills but unfortunatedly i dont have any bag left because i used all the sulphur and throwed them to garbage.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sulphur
« on: May 21, 2020, 06:53:31 PM »
When soil is kept flooded, elemental sulfur can form hydrogen sulfide, which can kill plant roots.
 
https://www.canr.msu.edu/uploads/files/Lowering_Soil_pH_with_Sulfur.pdf
Thats why its good to add it only on top and not in the hole.
If it is in a well aerated layer it will not turn to hidrogen sulphide.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sulphur
« on: May 21, 2020, 03:11:28 PM »
It kills Mycorrhizae because sulphur its a powerfull antifungic.
I allready said that i use the sulphur wich is sold as antifungic not as an amendment to lower ph.

How do you know it killed mycorrhizae? Sulfur pushed 14 - 16 inches into my soil profile didn't kill my trees. I must have read the original post wrong because it sounded like you were using the antifungal sulfur to drop your pH even though that is off label use. Would the sulfuric acid water treatment kill fungus because I have a ton of mushrooms popping up?
Read wikipedia avout sulphur being a verry strong antifungic
known for thousands of years .
I also use it to kill mold,to disinfect wine barrels,beehives,etc.
Water treated with sulphuric acid its not antifungal because this is a strong acid and verry little its used to lower the ph.
Also, sulphuric acid its not sulphur,its sulphuric acid.
I use elemental sulphur to lower the ph not sulphuric acid.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sulphur
« on: May 21, 2020, 01:57:13 PM »
It kills Mycorrhizae because sulphur its a powerfull antifungic.
I allready said that i use the sulphur wich is sold as antifungic not as an amendment to lower ph.

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My advice is to keep the grass short in case you dont have a fence to keep the wild pigs away.
My land in the center is full of pork made holes and neighbours lands to rhe left and right have not a single hole in them because they regularly mow the alphalpha on theyr lands.
Now i mowed the grass on my land ,flattened the soil but porks still come back as they feel the scent they leaved in the past.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Garden hose
« on: May 21, 2020, 05:17:46 AM »
In one of the towns I used to live in there was a blue ribbon trout stream, with the most productive stretch being the 20km downstream from the effluent pipe. There were 2 types of trout, one bred in the river and the other migrated to a small set of mountain streams to breed. The ones that bred in the river would produce mostly female offspring (phenotypically) even though they were 50/50 genotypically. Birth control pills, pseudo estrogens in detergents and plastics were implicated. I don’t know if plants would pick those types of chemicals up but interesting. There is a doco from a series “the doc zone” season 3 episode 8 called “the disappearing male” about a similar thing which is a good watch if you don’t mind government sponsored  Canadian public television.
Maybe the females were released by fishermans asociations or by hatcheryes.
You can buy all female or 50/50 or diploid fertilised eggs.
The trout eggs from the poluted with sewage river were most likely shocked .
Its a common procedure for the trout breeders to shock the eggs so that they have more females wich is desirable because they grow double as fast than the males.
Diploid trouts wich are sterile grow even faster than females and 95 percent of the aquacultured rainbow trouts from supermarkets are triploids.
I like to say about rainbow trout thats almost like a carp but brown and brook trouts are much more sensitive to polution ( ie low oxigen) and they really need cold water.
Usually brown trouts are the coldest here and the most sensitive than even brook trout but we have here somme small deep water brook trout species that are super sensitive.
Thos tiny ,most super sensitive brook trouts we have here are called ,,fantanel,, from fantana wich means well.
In old times ,people here used to add a such small brook trout to live in a water well so that they knew the water its clean and safe to drink.
Even today in romania we call the brook trouts ,,fantanel,, wich means the fish of the well.

The hormones,estrogens from sewage ,etc,they are organic compounds wich disintegrate verry fast .
I wouldnt worry about them and i dont think il see the  frogs turned homosexual in the sewage trench.

With the new regulations from the EU on the enviroment,we will soon have almost drinkable water from the sewage.
I will probably regret that theres too little fertiliser in the sewage stream  ;D .

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Garden hose
« on: May 20, 2020, 10:58:23 PM »
I think 900m is too long for 1" pipe
I start with 100 m long hose then il add another 20 meters and another 20 meters long hose if the flow is good.
The pump says it pushes 150 meters length of hose but on flat horizontal surface.
I have somme small hills to pass so rhe flow will be good for shorter length of hose.
On the 300 meters long land il wet with the hose like 75 meters and il use buckets for the rest 225 meters.Will get me long arms like a monkey but il be happy i can wet my trees and not have to carry hundreds of buckets of water over small hills.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Garden hose
« on: May 20, 2020, 09:15:06 PM »
I have used these for high capacity water in flood irrigation.
https://www.amazon.com/2-inch-discharge-hose/s?k=2+inch+discharge+hose
We have those blue hoses here also but 2 inch is too big.
I want to buy a small pump for 1 inch hose.
The small pump i found its more expensive than 2 or 3 inch pump but i prefer it becajse its easyer to carry than big pump.
I allready have a 3 inch gas pump but thats too heavy ,the hose is also heavy and adds to the weight.
Also if il use 3 inch water pump i dont thonk the sewage drain has enough flow to sustain that.I will make a dam on the sewage drain trench but hope that wont bring me trouble from the sewage station.

The small pump i want to buy for this project is this one.Weighs just 13 kg and its 4 stroke,build to last decades and costs just 150 dollars.
Its made in China not Honda but Loncin is a verry good chinese brand. https://youtu.be/HkBU8Hh3zt4

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Sulphur
« on: May 20, 2020, 08:55:14 PM »
Lets talk about sulphur used as both,an antifungic and as an amendment to lower the ph of the soil.
I buy it marketed as an antifungic and i use it to lower the ph of the soil.
2 things ive learned so far:
- it kills Mycorrhizae simbiotic fungi.
- never mix it deep into the soil and never add it on the bottom of the hole before planting because it will be used by anaerobic bacteria and it will possibly kill the tree producing hidrogen sulphide just like in the Death valley.
I use it only on top of the soil where aerobic bacteria breaks it down and leaches the acid into the soil.

To make it work faster for bacteria to break down the sulphur its a good idea to buy sulphur that has nitrogen added to it because the bacteria blooms faster if it has a little nitrogen( i would also add a little sugar or vinegar as a carbon source for the bacteria but i didnt tryed this iet).
Urea pellets coated in sulphur i think are branded Osmocote ( this is a wide range of fertilisers brand but sulphur coated urea made them famous from what ive read),have both elements but i buy dirt cheap antifungic powdered sulphur wich also has both elements plus magnesium.

Altough its such a good soil amendment to lower the ph i dont see manny people using this and it also shows on the market as i couldnt find sulphur branded as a product to lower the ph here.
I think manny people will learn from this forum .

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Garden hose
« on: May 20, 2020, 06:58:17 PM »
I believe I would think twice before use any municipal waste water.
Consider the risk of heavy metals and other non-organic poisons and pollutants.
Remember... people will flush anything down their toilets and sinks. Poison. Herbicides. Pharmaceuticals. Chemicals. Etc.
It's not just human body wqstes that are a concern.

Kevin Jones
Right now they build a high tech sewage treatment station and in a year or so the water would be even cleaner and treated with UVC light to kill the pathogens.
The sewage water comes from a verry small city thats 4 km away from my village.Its a tiny stream and il have to make a small dam or to drill a hole in the concrete floor of the stream to be able to sink the hose and the filter of the pump.

In USA ,Milwaukee,they make fertiliser from sewage sludge and sell it in supermarkets as Milorganite brand.
Its similar to the sewage water i plan to use.Its free,legal to use unlike using water from the river wich is illegal ( but il use a little with a small pump ,@ 1 cubic meter or so at once).

Also if i cross the sewage stream ,60 meters away after climbing a slope theres a lake of a dam with river water.
I dont want to use water from the dam because i would need more length of hose wich is expensive and also the lake is full of mud on the closest portion to my land .

On my orchard,because the lake its situated above the ground level ,i could simply dig a shallow well like a meter or 2 deep ( would probably become artesian and will flood my land wich i dont want because i allready have a small area thats flooded with ground water).
But its illegal to dig a well without permission on agricultural land.
As far as the food goes,dont worry because i will sell the almonds for export to Belgium. ;D
You eat belgian chocolate with almonds in USA and in a few years its possible that they will be my almonds grown with sewage water from the city. ;D
Joke asside i think its safe to use that water.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Gevuina nuts and Embothrium
« on: May 20, 2020, 04:31:44 AM »
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They want the phosphorus to be inorganic ,bound to iron or aluminum.
Give them phosphates from fertiliser and its no wonder you get 80% death rate.

Macadamias are very easy to keep alive here, they are more difficult to kill! I don't think Macadamias are intolerant to fertilizer, they are commonly fertilized here by home gardeners and don't suffer any issues. Gevuina on the other hand - is susceptible to root rot problems very easily. This is separate to poor uptake of Phosphorus.
I dont grow macadamia but this nursery in Australua says macadamia trees are easily killed with fertiliser.
In fact Gevuina its like 10 times more tolerant of phosphorus than macadamia because it grows in more fertile soils but its still sensitive and will die if you add manure to a seedling.
 
In manny cades you can kill these trees by simply planting them in soil thats too fertile even without adding any type of fertiliser.

If.you grow them in pure sand ,then they will accept a little fertiliser .Sand is usually acid and in acid soils phosphorus becomes non available faster.
Phosphorus binds to rust and if you keep an iron nail in an acid soil it will rust and  the rust will atract the phosphorus( this is just an example of why phosphorus becomes non available in acid soils).
Red acid soil and badlands is what these trees are made for.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Garden hose
« on: May 20, 2020, 03:16:19 AM »
Thx for advices.
I need a hose to conect it to a small gas powered water pump and to take water from the river,transport it over a slope until it reaches my orchard and wet my trees.
I have 2 small orchards,one with 100 trees and one with 60 trees .
The one with 100 trees has the sewage city water chanel passing near and the otther has the river.
Im thinking to use both,river water and sewage water wich is clean( acceptable,has a lot of phosphates and nitrates in it but plants like these like they like fertiliser).
Il probably need 100 meter long hose split in 3-4  pieces and if the pump has power to push water  through this length of hose il buy more and more ( 300 meters total length would be ideal).
I need something light and not voluminous to carry in a back pack or a wheelbarrow along with the pump .

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Gevuina nuts and Embothrium
« on: May 19, 2020, 08:01:30 PM »
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They have specialised roots that can acces phosphorus thats locked and thats not available for otther plants.
This is not their roots that are specialized, it's mycorrhizal fungi that can access this phosphorus on behalf of the tree.

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Gevuina its rare in Chile,its native habitat where most people there never heard about it.
Macadamia is soo common that i wouldnt bother to grow since i live in a cold climate and if i keep a tree in my greenhouse then it must be a rare tree.
I also think that Gevuina its more beautifull as an ornamental than macadamia and i know that macadamia was just an ornamental tree not too long ago when the nuts were not toght to be edible.

Hmmm okay, I think I prefer a bucket of nice easy to eat food than a pretty tree. ;) But I will keep posted about progress with Gevuina selections here as I'll be helping some friends with this. I think we've already selected stronger plants here if 80% died already.
It is not Mycorrhiza that make these plants to acces phosphorus .
All proteaceae including macadamia have these type if cluster roots called proteoid roots wich exude carboxillic componds to make phosphorus available in verry poore in P soils where the P is bound strongly to iron and aluminum.
If you know sugar bushes(Knightia Excelsa) from New Zealand,those are also proteaceae and they also have these cluster roots to acces phosphorus.Take one out and look at the roots .

If you grow any proteaceae plants you should know about the cluster roots and phosphorus or else you will kill your plants with fertiliser wich contains phosphorus and its toxic for them.
They want the phosphorus to be inorganic ,bound to iron or aluminum.
Give them phosphates from fertiliser and its no wonder you get 80% death rate.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_root


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Garden hose
« on: May 19, 2020, 07:47:30 PM »
Im thinking to buy a lay flat hose like firefighters hose but the smallest i could find wich is 1 inch.
Anybody has experience with these such small lay flat hoses?
Are they good?They tangle/kink ?
Or i should be better buying regular rubber round garden hose instead.
Looks like this.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Gevuina nuts and Embothrium
« on: May 19, 2020, 06:43:54 PM »
I've seen a number of Gevuina trees in NZ. Most people with a number of trees had a high death rate, 80% from the two I know personally. I can understand one site - as it was clay soil (but a slope). But the other was reasonably good volcanic/alluvial soil and still 8/10 trees died. I've also seen two trees growing on very sandy deep soil, and they seemed very happy - although much shrubbier with many suckers (I think I read something about sandy soil encouraging suckering behaviour for many plant species). The consensus from growers is always the same - not worth growing Gevuina if you can grow Macadamia. I have yet to meet anyone who can't grow Macadamia (they're a lot tougher than many people think), although I have started to gather some Gevuina plants and seeds to pass down to more Southern locations where Macadamia may not grow.
The other consensus is that they have a strong requirement for the correct mycorrhizal fungi - without these there is an 'empty slot' that is easily be utilized by pathogens.
The most important thing for these proteaceae is low phosphorus or if you have normal phosphorus levels then you need a low ph to make the P non available.
They have specialised roots that can acces phosphorus thats locked and thats not available for otther plants.
Australia because it has the oldest ,most weathered land on Earth,the phosphorus there its locked by iron and aluminum( clay soil) and has such extremely poore phosphorus soil that made these plants evolve and they developed proteoid roots.

Gevuina its not a comercial crop of the importance of Macadamias but the nuts of Gevuina taste a lot sweeter and better than the macadamia nuts i ate.
Also gevuina has an elastic shell and its hard to take the nuts out.

Gevuina its rare in Chile,its native habitat where most people there never heard about it.
Macadamia is soo common that i wouldnt bother to grow since i live in a cold climate and if i keep a tree in my greenhouse then it must be a rare tree.
I also think that Gevuina its more beautifull as an ornamental than macadamia and i know that macadamia was just an ornamental tree not too long ago when the nuts were not toght to be edible.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New russian diaphragm well pump
« on: May 19, 2020, 05:10:32 PM »
I just wanted to install a well pump and i got into digging the well  ;D.
So far i made it deeper with 40 cm .
Initially had 3 meters water column but its big drought and after i took the water out it was just 50 cm that filled back faster thogh not fast enough.
Now im thinking to cast custom reinforced concrete tubes to lower them in the well as i found a method of digging that works well from the distance ,without getting into the well but takes verry long time.

And since were talking about irigation pumps,i found this chinese made Loncin ,gas powered( 4 stroke) pump thats verry small ,1,5 inch hose and weights just 13 kg.
Costs just 150 dollars but looks like a verry high quality pump that would last for decades and i like thats light and easy to carry.
Im thinking to buy one to wet my orchards with water from the river thats like 30 meters away and i also have verry close the sewage discharge water channel close to another orchard.
I plan to use that sewage water when needed.

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