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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Need citrus tree ID please
« on: May 01, 2019, 03:51:32 PM »
Much lower! Remove the bark mulch around the trunk and cut as low as you possibly can. You could do a first cut where you indicate to get rid of the bulk and so any tear-out happens up there. Then go back and cut carefully as low as possible. The higher you cut the uglier it will look and the more you will fight sprouts. If you cut real low, don't cover the cut surface with soil or mulch so it can dry & heal. Buy a good pruning saw (e.g. one of those fold-out pull saws) with razor sharp edges, then you don't need to apply much force and can control the cut easily.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: May 01, 2019, 02:18:21 PM »
What happened to using simple lime whitewash on the trunks where sunburn is a danger?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Need citrus tree ID please
« on: May 01, 2019, 02:16:41 PM »
From the new photo it's pretty obvious where the graft is on the trunk with the black tape: that's where the trunk narrows and makes a bit of an S shape. Be careful not to damage the bark on the trunk you are keeping when you saw off the others! Also, I would assume that you will get a slew of suckers sprouting where you cut, so be vigilant in the coming years and remove them promptly.

For avos the best info I have found so far is from Yoshimi Yonemoto, see his two presentations linked from, there's also info on mango.
With bananas, what I always wonder is whether there's some way to control height.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Need citrus tree ID please
« on: May 01, 2019, 11:42:54 AM »
So there are two trunks to this tree, right? If you're lucky, one is a sucker on the rootstock with the trifoliate leaf and the other is the original grafted fruit. If you're unlucky it's like achetadomestica said and both are rootstock. You said you had some branches with trifoliate and some with single leaves but you didn't say which trunk they're on.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Container Soil Mix.
« on: April 29, 2019, 04:46:25 PM »
when you repo, do you replace stuff that is inside the root ball, or just fill around the outside? A lot of the "garden soil" is probably organic and decomposes?
Sorry for the dumb questions...

Edit: I've been doing some reading around. I found this interesting about turface (negative opinion): and a good overview. These are for bonsai, so some differences apply... I'm not trying to say that Laaz mix is bad, I'm just intrigued :-).

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Container Soil Mix.
« on: April 29, 2019, 03:26:35 PM »
I'm a bit curious about the use of turface, doesn't it retain too much moisture? As far as I can tell, it's about equivalent to vermiculite and retains more than perlite or pumice.

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Budwood
« on: April 29, 2019, 02:10:05 AM »
I hadn't realized that the per-bud price is higher for non-California residents at $2.50/bud. I also hadn't realized that they seem to have doubled the price for CA residents. In the CCPP online order system I now see $1.50/bud instead of the previous $0.75. Dunno what it's now for out-of-state... :(

Haha, I edited my post at the same time as you posted  8) Addictive search! But yeah, "it's a mess"...

Edit: looks like the Corsican Citron is the closest match in the UCR Citrus Variety Collection...

As far as I can tell, that Sfusato Amalfitano is not the "limone pane" that is referenced in the cedro salad post... That huge limone pane seems to be Limone di Procida. The Sfusato Amalfitano is what replaced it commercially, I believe, and it's a "femminello", which I assume means smaller in a male chauvinistic world (unless it refers to a smoother skin)... The search continues...

I think this shows how confusing the naming is. Here's Amalfi Bread Lemon: and here's Amalfi Lemon (a much more std lemon): Plus for good measure a Femminello Amalfi Lemon (seedless): I still can't tell from that description whether the Amalfi Bread Lemon is really the huge fruit... The description of the Roman Citron seems much closer to what the recipes mention.
Ok, next search is for "howto smuggle lemons into CA"  :o

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Grafting equipment
« on: April 29, 2019, 12:04:33 AM »
Dumb question: what are you looking for? I use a knife and some parafilm...

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Now this looks good!
« on: April 29, 2019, 12:00:49 AM »
Well, my wife searched a bit and saw a mention that it's similar to a Eureka. While that was completely mistaken, we did look at each other and then at the vat of Eureka lemons we have... So I grabbed one and cut some slivers of the zest and pith and we tasted. Turns out it's not bitter at all! The white stuff is kind'a citrus-y dense foam and the zest adds some lemon kick and tartness. I haven't tasted the original, but it sounds in the ballpark. Of course, the ratio of pith to flesh means one would have to use a ton of lemons, but there's no way we can consume all the lemons our tree produces anyway... I wouldn't claim this tastes the same as the original, but perhaps it can lead to some similar dishes...

Laaz, I thought I was satisfied with my citrus collection until I saw your post. Now I want those varieties also!
No kidding! What a way to scramble a CCPP order in the last minute!

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« on: April 28, 2019, 07:47:37 PM »
Well, it does look like the Yuzu seedling is technically still alive, although it doesn't look well at all. No leaves, but I still see some green on the stem, and there's a little green bud where the last leaf fell off.

Oh man, sad. I know how you feel, I've had grafts not take well and watched one bud after the other turn brown, yet hope 'til the end (and past it)...

BTW, interesting (to me) cold effects this year in my orchard. Typically our frosts are short, e.g. something like 2am-6am at most, followed by a clear sunny day that warms and dries everything. This year, however, the coldest period was long, more than a week of cold, wet and no sun and a night (or two?) of light frost in the middle. We've seen more frost damage than other years even though the absolute minimum was less low (by 1-2 degrees). Half the fruit, whether orange, lime, mandarin, or lemon got black spots and trees seem unhappier overall coming out of it. For the fruit the wet cold was more of an issue than anything else. I definitely learned that just counting degrees temperature is missing a big part of the picture.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Now this looks good!
« on: April 28, 2019, 05:52:44 PM »
Very interesting! I had no idea that white stuff would be useful for something (other than some in marmalade).
Any thoughts about varieties available in the US that could be used?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: April 28, 2019, 02:01:20 PM »
A little off-topic, but any chance we could get an Avocado section/board/whatever instead of having endless threads?

Citrus General Discussion / Latest citrus in semi-coastal California
« on: April 28, 2019, 01:41:02 PM »
As I'm sitting here choosing budwood from the CCPP I'm back to my perennial question: is there any citrus that can give me fruit later than about June and before the Satsumas in Nov-Dec? I'm in semi-coastal CA (10mi from the ocean at 2100', so more daytime heat but also colder at night and in winter). The only variety I know of is a Valencia Orange and sadly the most mature tree I have is one of those damn Midknight Valencias (seems to be the only variety available in nurseries), which grows incredibly slowly. All the other trees of the same generation are big and full of fruit and that Midknight is just behind... I have a Minneola Tangelo, which sweetens pretty late and hangs well on the tree for a long time, but I can't quite picture it past June (so far not enough fruit to try).
I'm wondering, has nobody tried crossing Valencia with something else to get late fruit, or is that not possible?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: April 28, 2019, 10:55:43 AM »
I would agree with the taste assessment of Bacon in that doc: fair...

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Container Soil Mix.
« on: April 28, 2019, 12:08:36 AM »
Laaz, what is the end cost of a cu ft of your mix? I've been getting the E.B.Stone Citrus&Palm planting mix, which works very well but is heavy due to a good amount of sand. It ends up around $6/cuft.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Air pruning pots--opinions?
« on: April 27, 2019, 11:57:51 PM »
interesting! How tall are these pots?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Container Soil Mix.
« on: April 27, 2019, 05:23:54 PM »
Thanks for posting, quite interesting! Is that Turface MVP similar to Vermiculite?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Who's buying?
« on: April 27, 2019, 05:12:42 PM »
I guess nobody, it says "Attualmente non disponibile. "

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: April 26, 2019, 12:21:15 AM »
I managed to get a Lamb Hass at a local nursery a couple of weeks ago. I wish I could have gotten a smaller tree, but stock is non-existent in the area... I have two questions:
- I want to keep this tree topped at 7-8 feet following a bit the UC research trial about high-density planting. I probably need to provide some frost cover in winter and this height makes that plausible. The plant is about 5' now (above the container), is it best to wait 'til it exceeds 7' and then pinch back or start now cutting it in half?
- I'm suspicious about the soil it's in, it will go into very sandy soil when planted in a few months (space not ready yet), so I'm wondering about repotting into a very sandy mix. But given that it's just in a growth flush maybe I should wait 'til it's done with that?

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Budwood
« on: April 25, 2019, 11:24:16 PM »
I guess it really depends on your point of view. The CCPP allows me to get a dozen different special varieties so I can experiment and enjoy special citrus for years to come, and it costs less than going out for dinner. Seems like a great bargain  :D Now, can I get some citrus grafted on some rootstock at some local nursery cheaper, oh hell yes. But what a loss!  8)

Interesting, I'm curious to see your experience. I'm in the Santa Barbara mountains at 2100'. Low this past winter was 29F-30F. I have a young/small Goldfinger in the ground and it looked pretty bad. It was a young plant, just 2' tall, and almost everything turned to mush. One sucker made it and the second largest pstem. The largest pstem didn't. The plant is on a slope, so not a cold air drain, but it's not anywhere near buildings or asphalt. It is in front of a huge south facing boulder, but we had cold & wet weather when we hit the low temps, so virtually no solar gain during the day. (Interestingly, our lows are typically a tad higher than much further down the mountain and in the foothills because cold air drains up here.)

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