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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pineapples--The Half Pot Experiment
« on: September 11, 2017, 02:28:24 PM »
I am planting my pineapples into the ground where's semi-shad and moist. I am letting nature takes care of it. I will find out in about a year.
There used to be pineapple plantations in LA when we were a big agriculture area.

Natures probably doesn't want pineapples to grow, depending on your location. I had one in ground for more than 2 years and it didn't grow much. It was already a decent sized plant when I got it. Eventually I decided it's not worth it and threw it in the trash. That was in my early fruit growing days. Same with dragon fruit in the ground. 3 years and the cutting actually shrunk.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Chinese or Taiwanese translation needed
« on: September 11, 2017, 02:22:51 PM »
Just ignore the Chinese part of it. I blame the Taiwanese for all this fruit name confusion.

I said the same in the FB post, but it's basically a big confusion for everybody because there're no good Chinese terms that distinguish between the different annonas. 釋迦(translates to Buddha, because the fruit's bumps look like Buddha's hair shape) was a term created in Taiwan when all they had was the sugar apple.

釋迦 is sugar apple in Taiwan
釋迦 is cherimoya in the US, by Taiwanese immigrants, because they have something similar in their home country, and they thought cherimoya was our local variation of sugar apple.
鳳梨釋迦 is atemoya in Taiwan, after it was introduced there, because the ones in Taiwan actually realize it's something different, and gave it a different name.

Some people don't want to write so many characters so 鳳梨釋迦 might be shortened to 釋迦 as well.

And here I am always complaining about Taiwanese renaming fruit species/cultivars from other places to "Taiwanese guava/jujube/etc.".

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Jade Pineapple
« on: September 11, 2017, 01:28:30 PM »
Mark, I think the idea is that the plant is spending energy when it first pushes out the new buds and leaves. After that, maybe the new growth can sustain itself by photosynthesis.

The main plant is still diverting water and other resources from the ground to any side growth. If the growth becomes really vigorous, the plant could decide that it is now the main plant and give it the majority of the ground resources. If there's enough water and fertilizer around, maybe that's totally fine. Just my reasoning based on my feelings.

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Mimosa nursery in LA I'd say carries the most.

If you are looking for very specific things, you might have to go to the nurseries that are more specialized for them and call before to make sure they're in stock.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: September 10, 2017, 04:25:49 PM »
Depend on how long it takes for you to make it grow big. I think Richard's estimate is if you do everything right.
Just start right now and you'll get fruits sooner. Get at least one self-pollinating plant so you don't have to wait for different varieties to flower at the same time for pollen. It's frustrating for beginning growers when they have the first flower and no others to get pollen from.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedless atemoya and cherimoya
« on: September 08, 2017, 12:42:34 PM »
I have no idea. Never had the chance to see one on person. I heard it tastes like a regular sugar apple. Maybe you mean does a seedless banana/watermelon taste better than a seeded banana/watermelon? Probably, since your whole mouth is full of the flavor without those pesky seeds.

I'd imagine cherimoya will always be better than sugar apple and atemoya. The Spanish researchers are trying to create seedless cherimoya out of seedless sugar apple. They don't care about all the seedless atemoyas they will make in the process.

So if you pollinated a cherimoya with pollen from the seedless sugar apple, there's a chance that the resulting atemoya will be seedless as well.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedless atemoya and cherimoya
« on: September 07, 2017, 07:46:58 PM »
They are being developed. There's seedless sugar apple. It's just called "seedless sugar apple" I think.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: fs: white champaca scion
« on: September 05, 2017, 02:35:36 PM »
Do you graft it or root it? I tried rooting in water and sterile media but never got one to root. Airlayering is also very slow.

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I think no risk after they're dried out. That's why I heard recommendation to not put citrus cuttings in trash until they are dry. The bugs probably jump off them like fleas from dead squirrels.

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Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Looking for preto fig
« on: September 01, 2017, 01:37:19 PM »
It's from Portugal. You guys have the best figs in the world, according to all the fig enthusiasts around here. Search for preto fig or figo preto on ebay.

RiversOFT, I know some people in California that sell them on ebay. Just make sure their reputations are good. The one closest to me is in Simi Valley. They're probably waiting for the winter so the new growth hardens so they can sell or root them to sell. Taking cuttings now just means less cuttings since there's still more time for them to get longer.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: pocket knife tough enough for durian
« on: August 31, 2017, 07:37:30 PM »
A folding knife is probably not good for prying durian. I keep imagining it snapping close. It would have to be one with a thing to keep it open would work. Maybe get a swiss army knife with prying tool.

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Between 11:40 and 12:00, he cuts into the rootstock, only cutting off the flexible bark. You can see the round wood core underneath. All around that core is the cambium, as you know.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangos and nitrogen
« on: August 31, 2017, 11:19:05 AM »
There are other "free living" type rhizobia.
Interesting, so rhizobia can live free but can't fix nitrogen unless paired with a plant host.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhizobia

I looked it up thinking it's not a real word.

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But isn't the cambium green? The cut looks white to me...
I think people say it's green to make it easier to find. It's a single layer of cells that differentiates into bark and wood cells and it's hard to tell what color it is. The layer or bark next to the cambium layer is probably green for most plants.

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Yes, he has to center it on the rootstock cut as much as possible. That's where the cambium layer is. The whole center is the cambium. The sides are the bark.

Usually, people cut it so that there's wood, cambium, and bark. Zills cut it so that there's only cambium and bark exposed, so anywhere that's not bark is cambium.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: sugar apple in san diego?
« on: August 31, 2017, 10:03:52 AM »
Hi, OCchris1,

I have not been to Little Saigon in San Diego.
Is there a specific shop that I should check out there?

Thanks,
FruitFool

I think OCchris1 meant Little Saigon in OC.

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Thanks for all the responses, guys. But I encourage you to watch the video again, specifically the second graft he does where you see clearly that the edges are not lined up at all, and in fact he's checking to be sure that the scion is centered in the cut on the rootstock, so it doesn't touch either edge. I still don't understand how that's going to work, even though clearly it does.
I almost always have larger root stock than scions, so this should be the right technique for me and I really want to understand it.

What time are you referring to specifically? I looked at the graft at 7:30 and it looks fine. But I'm not sure if that's what you're talking about so it's better if you told us where.

Anyway, his technique is to remove only the bark, so anything exposed in the center is the cambium layer. Anywhere he attaches the scion is fine as long as it's in the middle and not on the sides.

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They should swell up and the skin becomes thinner and you can see the shape of the arils inside. Even then, my friend's Desertnyi in San Diego wasn't ripe. You probably have to sacrifice a few fruits to figure it out for your specific location.

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I didn't see that video. I bought peach trees from Home Depot to graft other stone fruits onto and they grew fine without pruning. A few twigs towards the bottom of the tree aborted themselves along with the grafts on them.

I think some branches will die by themselves if you don't prune them, depending on how much roots it's able to grow. Maybe some pruning helps it keep all the grafts, so it doesn't decide to abort the smallest ones.

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If you got it in Spain, it's likely a Fino de Jete. It makes up the majority of the Spanish market.

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Wait, citrus doesn't have bare root. Yes, LaVerne grafts 5 to a plant and sells them as 4 in case one dies. They were around $100 when a small group of us went to visit the nursery a couple years ago.

Bare root stone fruits are much cheaper than potted plants. They have a greater chance of survival too.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Amazing grape tasting event 8/4/2017
« on: August 28, 2017, 02:09:01 AM »
I saw cotton candy at Sprouts in Burbank but they didn't look fresh. Many fruits were pulled off the clusters from people sampling so I took a sample too and it didn't taste like the cotton candy grape I remember. These were maybe overripe or a little close to being spoiled.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not impressed with Ice Cream banana
« on: August 24, 2017, 04:36:36 PM »
Sounds like you have the real Ice Cream banana. Bluish tint is right. I don't know if there are other bananas that are similar.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Ant Control
« on: August 24, 2017, 04:31:18 PM »
They recommend this trap now? This trap is less expensive for sure and looks as well-designed as the other one. The last time I heard from them, they recommended KM Ant Pro.

Both use the same Gourmet ant bait liquid sugar solution to attract Argentine ants. They were saying these ants don't like solid bait.

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I don't recommend going the import route on mangos.
Maybe some of the Indian members here or Indian mango growers can help you out with getting your varieties locally. Read on for an overview of what it means to import a plant.

If the USPS discovers it, they'll report it to USDA to be destroyed. Something as large as a tree has a good chance of being discovered.

What you need to do legally is get a plant import permit from the USDA, meet all their requirements, and follow all their procedures. Plants need to be mailed to one of about a dozen inspection stations near US ports to be cleared before you can have them.

For one thing, plants need to be barerooted and not come with any soil, for fear of soil pests and diseases. Trees need to be treated with pesticides to kill pests and any traces of dead pests removed. If the inspectors find one bug, the whole box gets destroyed.

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