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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Traveling to Costa Rica HELP
« on: January 26, 2021, 08:35:51 PM »
That sounds truly amazing.
Thank you.
 Your truly a wealth of knowledge.
A backpack with tropical fruit and a camera in my hand that's what I call pure joy :)

Thanx!  The way I see it knowledge is far less useful if it isn't shared.

Thats what makes Forums like this one so valuable:  Many folks asking questions and sharing their knowledge.


Paul M.
I just got pleasantly surprised. There are 36 RCI resorts in Costa Rica so having a place to stay will not be an issue. :)
Many are on the Pacific side  I read many years ago that there are or is a black sand beach somewhere on that side. This weekend I will restudy this thread and the resort map and come up with a future itinerary. I am hoping the flights are cheaper than going to St Lucia which are like 800 to 1000 dollars
Yes it is nice to share information

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Traveling to Costa Rica HELP
« on: January 25, 2021, 07:07:36 PM »
Would you have any tips for amateur photographers who are very interested in birds and butterflies

OT Reply per member request . . .

Yes in addition to the amazing and wonderful tropical fruits in Costa Rica being discussed here, there are several butterfly farms in the Central Valley.  (Also for those interested a couple of serpentaria, too.)

And there is ZooAve (now called Rescate Wildlife Rescue Center) in La Garita about 20 minutes west of Alajuela. ZooAve is a bird zoo and bird (and animal) rehab facility.  It is well worth a visit.  ZooAve has a website:
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As to photographing birds, just go out into the CR countryside and keep your eyes open.  Thee will be plenty to photograph.  If you want a more intense and learned experience there are sevaral birding groups in Costa Rica.  One of those groups is the Birding Club of Costa Rica (BCCR), a private group that travels around Costa Rica to observe and identify and learn about the many different bird species of the country.
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And if you can find the book, A NATURALIST IN COSTA RICA, by Alexander Skutch, he wrote this book as his thesis for the University of Florida.  It discusses the birds and their habitats in Costa Rica.  The book's narrative begins in the late 1940s and continues through the early '70s.  I'm not particularly into birds but found this a most fascinating and absorbing book. It will surely help get anyone acquainted with birds and what to look for in Costa Rica. Should be easy to find a used copy for cheap.
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Paul M.
That sounds truly amazing.
Thank you.
 Your truly a wealth of knowledge.
A backpack with tropical fruit and a camera in my hand that's what I call pure joy :)

The only thing I can hope for is that it is more productive in Miami than in other areas like Broward and SWFL, since the major nurseries and growers here I have asked about it have not heard about it being unproductive.  The fruit is truly the best compared to Alano and Morena so I'm willing to plant it and see what happens.  Right now I'm not planning on planting other Sapodillas.
I have to ask these two questions
First do you find Alano to be too sweet? I had my first one this summer and it as a figure of speech sent me into sugar shock.

Number two I saw a video of the Flying Fox grafting a butterscotch sapodilla. With the white gummies sap what would be the success rate of grafting? Has anyone made a multiple grafted sapodilla?

You should be fine. Bees get around, and it may be self fertile.

Not sure about Haysa, but Silas Woods appears to benefit from the following tek:

When the little flowers first start to open, lightly squeeze them and roll your fingers around a little bit. Pollination!

Have been getting plenty of fruit set with only one tree.
Thanks for that piece of knowledge. I wish I would have known that at the beginning of the month.

Can you tell if anything is going on with this Tikal flower or is it just dried  and dead

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Traveling to Costa Rica HELP
« on: January 25, 2021, 12:27:00 PM »
Great information, Paul.  Makes me want to go, too!

Great information, Paul.  Makes me want to go, too!

Not unsurprisingly the fresh tropical fruit is one of the main draws to Costa Rica for me.  Mangoes start coming in in late April and get better-tasting each month until one wonders whether they could possibly get any better —and yet they do!

Pineapples in the States we can get pretty darn close to the same quality that we can get fresh in CR, but cost only a third of the price down there!!

Bananas in the tropics that have been allowed to reach full size (rather than being shipped 2/3s mature and then gassed here) in the tropics are unbelievable great.  They put US grocerystore bananas' flavor all to shame.

Other things like soursops, rambutans (mamon chino), maracujá (passionfruit), have all been tasty.

There were even (purple/true) mangosteens, too, but only in July and August and the ones that I got to try were apparently just beyond full ripe and so had lost much of their flavor.

There are many other things, too, like nances and pejibayes to try when in season. All these and the above-mentioned ones, too, are to be found at the weekend feria in Alajuela.  What a veritable fruit smörgåsbord!

Before I forget another thing that I dote on in CR that's made with fruit are refrescos, fresh fruit (banana, pineapple, mango, strawberry, or whatever) blended with sugar and with water or with milk and served chilled.  Refrescos are very popular with the ticos (costarricans).  My favorite among the refrescos is mora en leche (blackberry in milk).  it's kinda like drinking a blackberry cobbler without the crust.  Yum!

And don't forget to try some sorbet or ice cream before you leave.  Many of the tropical fruits are turned into frozen treats.  There are many ice cream shops (heladerias) everywhere.  POPS is one brand that seems to have shops everywhere.  Worth a try.  Yum!

OK – ¡Buen Provecho!

Paul M.
Sounds very inviting :)
Would you have any tips for amateur photographers who are very interested in birds and butterflies

Since no one else has fielded this question. I will from left field. Yes it would be beneficial to have another variety. Spaced  within a hundred feet. Hopefully I did not drop the ball but I will defer to the knowledge of others :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which livestock for mango grove?
« on: January 25, 2021, 09:14:42 AM »

This is a good example of the Florida Cracker cow I'm only 2 miles from the courthouse. Some people lived in the country then woke up one day and now they're big city.
These cattle look grove friendly to me but what do I know ???

Your daughter's artwork is awesome. She is much cooler than you. ;)
Truer words have never been written. Thank you very much :)

Thanks for your kind words. I showed them to the Artisan. It put a smile on her face that sketch will  go into her portfolio  to get into the Osceola High School of the Arts. I will continue to encourage her to draw Tropical Fruit Caribbean themed art. :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / The joy of tropical gardening
« on: January 23, 2021, 09:50:26 AM »
Hardell roust up before Daybreak. He has not let up on us yet. He is long on wind and short on labor. As of now we're planting callaloo

Ps John! hardel says you will get your cooler back when 7-Eleven stop selling beer

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Any Signs of Life?
« on: January 19, 2021, 06:12:52 AM »
After taking this handsome fellows photo I took a closer look and the buds are swelling on my white mulberry :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango art by a 14 year old Artist Thespian
« on: January 18, 2021, 09:14:29 PM »

I asked my daughter to paint me a mango tree.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red Jabo Budding Up Nicely!
« on: January 18, 2021, 08:17:10 PM »
That is a beautiful thing.  Congratulations :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: La Niña in winter 2020/2021
« on: January 17, 2021, 03:49:49 PM »
Hardel says he's starting to shed fur so he doesn't think we'll have a freeze in the next month and a half. I sure hope not he also says I need to stop putting cow patty mushrooms on our pizzas and just stick with beer!  Lol :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2021 Mango Season (Florida)
« on: January 17, 2021, 08:33:52 AM »
I’ve got partial bloom on 3 of my young trees:
Question: Why are the first Panicles on the shaded side of each tree(NE side on all 3 trees) and on the lower, smaller  branch on each tree? Is this common, a pattern or coincidence? Each tree is grafted and all branches are far above the grafts. Cultivars are E4, Baileys Marvel and Keitt.
First, I have not made that observation as a rule though I have seen flowering low on some trees.

This is just a WAG, but colder air sinks and the lower part of your trees may have seen just enough cold stimulus.
Also during a cold front which direction does the wind blow in your yard?  Are the trees in a depressed location?  and are there any wind breaks or heat sources such as home close to the non flowering side?

I am curious to hear what others have to say.
I have been scratching my head wondering the same thing. My sweet tart is flowering on the North side. It is on the south side of my house out about 20 ft protected from the north wind. It started flowering on North shaded Side Lower branches first  I did get a ladder and look down and there is some on top sort of on the North side huh. I just went out and inspected the Southside not much activity yet.

Forced labor as a result of leaving the gate open and letting the poodle roll around in beggar's lice >:(  :(

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: La Niña in winter 2020/2021
« on: January 16, 2021, 10:44:40 AM »
Here in Lakeland Florida our winter since December has been colder than normal and plenty of rain with the frequent cold fronts hitting. I don't think I've seen more than one 80* degree day all winter. No freezes but continual cool nights. Looks like my lychees and peaches will do great because of it. Nearly a perfect winter so far though I'm ready for things to warm up. Mangoes are slowly pushing flowers as avocado.
For our area I could not agree with your assessment more. :)

This is a Valencia Pride that did a 20% flush growth after the warm Thanksgiving holiday.It was followed by rain of the first cold front. I was a little concerned that the Thanksgiving flush growth would not flower. I am hoping those are flowers. If so Rob was right once again :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which livestock for mango grove?
« on: January 15, 2021, 10:07:32 PM »
I had a dog.  My sister had a dog.  We were kids.  They didn't eat grass.  I mowed the lawn.  Done :)

My aunt & uncle had sheep, cows, shoot a cow, have big freezer ready.
The freezer is a good place for a cow but the grill is even better.
I did hear a tale of a mango eating dog down in Delray Beach  :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which livestock for mango grove?
« on: January 15, 2021, 08:00:40 PM »
One problem and possibly the reason you don't see much sheep in Florida is that they are prone to foot rot on wet ground. They like more stony ground and if it's soft you will have to trim hooves. I kept hair sheep and they are a good meat breed you can get lambs in spring and harvest in winter. They will definitely need a dry place to rest and get out of rain.
Cows will eat mango fruit but not sure if just windfalls or if they will take from a tree far as they can reach.

It was not me it was the squirrel

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: La Niña in winter 2020/2021
« on: January 15, 2021, 05:15:14 PM »
So is the La Nina affect weaker-than-expected in South Florida?
What has its effect been elsewhere

Would like to start a dialogue for discussion :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which livestock for mango grove?
« on: January 15, 2021, 10:06:06 AM »

Just to be sociable because this is not a paid professional Academia commercial forum. This morning by dumb luck I am out in Narcoossee  This lady use to raise the small miniature cows. I don't know if that is one of them but if I see her I will ask.

Do not see much grass growing on the other side of the road

By dumb luck this is actually one of those miniature cow breeds

Word of advice if you're going to take a nice walk in the country carry a big stick. Looked down one of those chow chow dogs was standing next to me. Kind of hard not to show fear :o

And the cellular is very poor.Help help Deputy dog the Chow Chow latch onto one of my backside

This area of Narcoossee is where they used to raise buffalo. Did not find one but back in the day you use to be able to go to Charlie's feed store and get a buffalo sandwich. The Old Sugar belt railroad turntable is still behind the feed store.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which livestock for mango grove?
« on: January 14, 2021, 01:41:51 PM »
I tried (briefly) to let my dairy cow graze it but she went straight to the bananas and tore them up and broke a few mango branches on the way so she’s banned
Now that's funny! Did it change the flavor of her milk?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2021 Mango Season (Florida)
« on: January 14, 2021, 12:10:27 PM »

So, (just my luck) looks like of all the varieties I grafted last season, the tiny ~2ft tall Honeykiss on a Kent seedling decided it would push a panicle. I top-worked a fairly large Ataulfo tree with Guava, Sweet tart, Duncan, Dwarf Hawaiian, Rosiegold, Pineapple Pleasure, Pickering, Lemon Zest, Sugarloaf and another unknown variety, all healthy takes with at least two growth flushes, not a single panicle. Looks like I’ll be mangoless again for another season, but the future looks bright...

Thats waaaay too many varieties to topwork on one tree and not good with varying rates of growth habit from the different varieties.

I am not a fan of really having more than two varieties on one tree for a multitude of reasons but in any event, you should have varieties with similar growth habits.
Thanks Rob I've been asking that question and have not received a good answer. How many grafts of each variety would you graft just for a couple of people? I've been told the fallacy that the host tree will tame the grafted variety. Is that just wishful thinking?

The sub-continent is more than just India
Good Jeopardy question: These countries make up the (Indian) subcontinent.  What are India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka, and Maldives.  (Missing Alex Trebek.  He was the GOAT of game show hosts.)
John I just talked to Hardell he says that is a colonizer map you have. Lol
I was hoping someone would tell me of The Good The Bad and The Ugly about Ambika :)

The sub-continent is more than just India
Thanks Mike for learning me. :)
That Hardell is a natural-born fibber! He told me that India was the center of the universe and the cradle of civilization. I cannot believe I gave him a bottle of beer for that information lol

Do you have an opinion on Ambika? How is it regarded on the subcontinent. Mostly interested in taste then disease resistance :)

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