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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple pollination experiment
« on: May 11, 2017, 08:37:27 PM »
This year, I installed solenoid valves, ran 700' of electrical wire, and installed a rachio controller. My annonas now get watered twice a week.  In Feb, I used Harilizer, March, I put down some 8-10-10 (for my low phosphates), and last Monday I put down some 8-2-12. Some of my page atemoyas, first to flower, are about 3 inches already. Last year, not many got bigger than 3.5 inches.

It is now after 8:30pm so time to go pollinate the soursops.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple pollination experiment
« on: May 11, 2017, 02:55:35 PM »
Yes, 10 times. Not a hard multiple when my trees only sets 1 to 5 fruit.  I do not have Annona pollinating insects and I am left to pick up the slack.    :'(

100% pollination, no. Even my sugar apple trees in 7 gal pots produce 50+ flowers.  I have never bothered to scientifically measure my rate of success but I can say based on casual observation it is very high. I only hand pollinate a 1 - 2 flowers per branch. Occasionally, I have to repeat a branch.     

Sugar apples are good but the effort is better spent on atemoyas, rollinias, and soursop, using the same basic principals with adjustments to the time of day.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple pollination experiment
« on: May 11, 2017, 10:12:10 AM »
I have left trees to do there own thing when I feel they need a break and the fruit that form are often counted on one hand and smaller.  Hand pollination will get me 10 times the number of fruit.  If your results are not better with hand pollinating, something is wrong in technique or the trees may have nutritional deficiencies preventing fruit set/abortion.  It took me a few seasons to get it right. When Har speaks, I listen.   I typically have to thin the trees after the fruit get to an inch diameter. I still have nutritional deficiencies that cause the fruit to be small or maybe I do not thin enough. I have only hand pollinated custard apples for one season but I had poor results, only 3 fruit on 1 tree, 2 trees no fruit. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lack of water or what's causing yellowing of many leaves on jackfruit plants?
« on: May 09, 2017, 04:55:49 PM »
The tree is probably reabsorbing the nutrients in the leaves in preparation of dropping them due to age or drought stress. The other possibility is nitrogen deficiency. Looks ok and nothing to get too excited about yet.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple flower question
« on: May 09, 2017, 10:41:08 AM »
Female, collect pollen from this flower tomorrow morning and apply to any new flowers that look like this.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sour sop plant
« on: April 27, 2017, 11:45:18 PM »
Quickest I have heard of is 2 years, done by my father at about 5 ft tall. In good conditions, three is more likely.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Precocious Jakcfruit variety
« on: April 22, 2017, 12:35:03 AM »
Where did you get the 90% number? If jakfruit are grown in isolation or monoculture, seedlings might be similar to parent. Every seedling i have fruited is significantly different. From my limited experience, seedlings fruit in 3-4 years. Rarely, they fruit sooner.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jak fruit? Brevard Rare Fruit Tree Sale
« on: April 21, 2017, 08:59:52 PM »
There is nothing wrong with any of these varieties in my book. I think gold nugget and cheena are excellent flavored jaks and I am happy to see my blackgold has fruit this year. Shot obviously does not like soft fleshed jaks.  Taste before you buy!

Quote from: Vernmented on April 21, 2017, 08:53:13 PM
Quote from: shot on April 21, 2017, 07:11:56 PM
blackgold,gold nugget, cheena had 20 years ago only good for cooking. Scale 1 to 10 give I give 1.5 for being alive

Bahahhahahahhahahaha. I know to pull Black Gold out of my collection now. Thanks!  ;D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jak fruit? Brevard Rare Fruit Tree Sale
« on: April 21, 2017, 10:19:10 AM »
Thanks for uploading the video!

I can say that the Orange crush I have in my yard is more vigorous than the other three they released(Tangerine, Cantaloupe, and RS-22). I am not sure I would agree with the claims that these trees are better than others in handling minor element deficiencies.  My soil is bad and I have not had the time to help them along as I did with my earlier planted jaks and it shows. 




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Another Mango Tree Bites The Dust! Goodbye Harvest Moon!
« on: April 20, 2017, 08:48:40 PM »
At 2 years in the ground, my rapoza tree was 10ft tall and 7ft wide and I got around 10 fruit. Last year, fungus wiped out every flower and there was barely any fruit set. None made it past pea size. This year I have 5 fruit golf ball sized and I am not sure they will make it.  Only tree more affected by fungus in my yard is southern blush.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jak fruit? Brevard Rare Fruit Tree Sale
« on: April 20, 2017, 11:21:32 AM »
Quote from: Central Floridave on April 20, 2017, 10:18:42 AM
"Taste before you buy."

Ok, send me your fruit. LOL. 

Thanks for the discussion.  Wish I could taste first. But, going on recommendations is all I've got. 

You laugh but this is part of the reason I have 26 grafted varieties planted and still expanding. Getting here to taste the fruit is your issue to resolve.  :P

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jak fruit? Brevard Rare Fruit Tree Sale
« on: April 20, 2017, 01:12:56 AM »
Taste before you buy. From tastings i have attended, people can have very strong and differing opinions.

Cristella fit your original request best.I like flavor but some do not.

My 3 gal lemongpld grew from.4 ft to 10 ft in a yesr. Wind snapped it back down to 4 ft. It was 3-4 inches in diameter where it broke. Quick growth can be weak. 3 years later, it is overloaded with fruit, first fruiting.

Bangkok lemon grew quick too. Tons of fruit on it this year.

Cheena and gold nugget have excellent flavor but are very softly textured.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Another Mango Tree Bites The Dust! Goodbye Harvest Moon!
« on: April 20, 2017, 12:42:37 AM »
I planted my HM a few months after you. I will have a small to medium crop depending on how they hold this year, first fruiting.  I have not tasted them yet. Not a precocious tree from reports i have read.  I have not heard any raving reviews on flavor, "better than Glenn" which doesn't say much to me.

I think we are in similar situations with rain and fungus  Forget rapoza. Good fruit but poor disease resistance.

Venus, Angie, sweet tart, and maha do good for me. Venus is slow growing but that may be from my laziness. It holds fruit too well and I have to thin it. Best late mango I have tasted but I have not tasted some of the newer ones. Angie and sweet tart grown by me are ugly on the outside  but taste great. Maha will look and taste great.

Beverly and glenn do nothing for me. Might as well wait out harvest moon before topworking to those. Had to spit out Duncan at fruit and spice park a few years ago. Multiple fruit tasted equally bad. Tree was in a funk that year.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple hand pollenate issue
« on: April 19, 2017, 07:16:41 PM »
To early for me to tell if those are successful.

I took some pics of my atemoyas but sugar apples are close enough.

Female


Female that is wet, camera does not do it justice.


Male with pollen


Pollen on side of container


Loaded brush


Fruit on atemoya


Fruit on rollinia - thinning may be needed  :blank:


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Will Cherimoya grow and fruit Properly in Miami ???
« on: April 19, 2017, 02:34:26 PM »
You can. You just have to time the pruning of the trees, which will trigger flowering.

Quote from: TheDom on April 18, 2017, 10:53:37 PM
If I could grow atemoya year round though, I probably wouldn't grow any custard apples.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple hand pollenate issue
« on: April 18, 2017, 06:31:22 PM »
The visible stuff in the picture are the anthers to which the pollen may be attached. The pollen is not visible in the picture but it may be the camera.  It can be visible against a black or very dark background as barely visible white grains.  I prefer to see the females a bit more open than what is pictured on the left but it may be ready. The flower to the right is probably male but sometimes the females open wide.  The brown flower looks like it dropped nearly all of the pollen.  In the afternoons, usually after 6:30pm, I pollinate atemoya and rollinia. Sugar apples are done in the morning before going to work. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple hand pollenate issue
« on: April 18, 2017, 04:31:34 PM »
Two possibilities are that you are doing it at the wrong time of day or you are not properly identifying when the flowers are in the male and female stages. Sugar apple  needs to be pollinated in the morning. The females are barely open and need to be spread apart. The ovary often appears to be wet when the timing is right. The pollen is a super fine white dust that is barely visible. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: So how good is Tekam/J33 Jackfruit?
« on: April 14, 2017, 09:28:23 AM »
Mike T, congrats on a great tasting seedling!

NS1 and J31 are not the same. IMO based on trees grown in my yard, J31 is the superior variety, tasting much better and more vigorous tree growth.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Black Sapote
« on: April 07, 2017, 04:40:47 PM »
Magnesium is what that indicates but likely deficient in other things as well. Give it a balanced fertilizer that includes micros and sprinkle around the tree a quarter cup of Epsom salt in addition.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Jackfruit - Looking for sweet, tasty, big.
« on: April 06, 2017, 11:39:52 PM »
Harry's BGxT does produce excellent fruit. I have a seedling from this tree that will produce its first fruits this year.

First, zone 9a/b will require significant cold protection. A greenhouse will be required to get this to fruit.

Second, jackfruit does not come true from seed. I have fruited a few seedlings and the resulting fruits are nothing like the parent. 2 are good, 1 might get removed. Just buy fruit and plant the seeds. It will be cheaper and if the fruit was good, you have just as good of a chance of getting a tree with good fruit.

Third, if you are going through all the trouble, you should seriously consider a grafted tree so you know all your hard work is going to produce a fruit you like.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What's up with these sugar apple new leaves?
« on: March 28, 2017, 07:44:08 PM »
I have plenty of leaf hoppers and my leaves do not look like this.  Har pointed them out for me.  On my trees, I associate the leaves curling downward or cupping upwards and crinkled ribbing with leaf hopper damage but maybe I am wrong. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Abiu tree?
« on: March 23, 2017, 01:26:51 PM »
I had an abiu in the ground that died on me.  I think it died from lack of water during winter.  I have a seeding from Noel that I planted in 2013 that looks like it will be flowering heavily this year. Tiger 90 Sulfur applications have helped. 

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: SKhan's Yard Sales
« on: March 22, 2017, 06:12:01 PM »
I got a 3g lemon drop. I have a few fruiting lemon drop in 7g too.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Trees that won't fruit without a dry season
« on: March 14, 2017, 06:30:52 PM »
Quote from: fruitlovers on March 14, 2017, 06:10:37 PM
Quote from: joehewitt on March 14, 2017, 03:02:06 PM
Quote from: Mike T on March 14, 2017, 05:53:37 AM
Places here (30 to 100 miles south) with 200 inches still grow sugar apples and lychees as well as host of species that prefer drier climates. The highly seasonal nature of the rainfall allows this to happen. Temperature and day length cues for flowering can be just as important.

I wonder if I could get this same effect by planting Sugar Apples on fast-draining mounds and then put a temporary canopy over them for a month or two each year to keep the rain off. Probably not worth the effort given the number of low-maintenance fruits I can grow in Hilo, but might be a fun experiment.
I thought of using plastic canopies over dwarf mango trees. I think if you do that in winter when they are flowering it would really help reduce anthracnose and get better fruit set, but never got around to trying it.

My guess is covering mango trees will have limited effectiveness and not worth the effort.  It has not rained here very much (one day every 2 - 3 weeks) this year but my panicles are still being infected. High humidity is enough.  One benefit would be that copper treatments would last much longer.  Planting disease resistant varieties would be the better way to go. As the years progress, I will be replacing the more susceptible varieties. Rapoza and Southern Blush are at the top of the chop list.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 5 year old jack fruit from seed
« on: March 11, 2017, 01:16:48 PM »
The third picture shows a male flower shedding pollen, not a fruit. 

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