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That is just a flesh wound... ;D

I have some mean scars on my mangos from the pigs. They heal and scab over.

OK, you got my interest... ;) These pigs, are they your's or are they feral? I know there are wild boars in Florida and they are quite destructive to yards, seen a lot of them when I was in Fort Myers.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Yellow Plum tree in Orlando area?
« on: February 25, 2015, 10:08:00 PM »
I have seen them for sale at a wholesale nursery in gainesville but I don't think they ship. It's called chestnut hill tree farm. You may be able to call them to see if they supply any nurseries near you.

Thanks Jsvand, I saw that company/site too online when I was searching for the plum tree, listing it as pickup only. But if the tree dies in a short while, I don't think I'll bother with it. Thanks again though! :)

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I have a question about the base of my mango tree (Coconut Cream). At the base of the trunk there seems to be a couple of splitting areas. My other mango trees don't have this happening, just this one. Is it something to worry about or does this happen every now and then?



The other splitting is where the post is, but I couldn't get a clear picture of it, even when changing angles due to the post being in the way. The post is touching the other splitting area, should I detach the post and move it out a little bit?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone growing mangoes in raised beds?
« on: February 25, 2015, 09:18:34 PM »
As Tony, SWRancher,, said, be careful when mounding. Unless you preplan and set the mounds up way in advance,  the "fill" you bring in will settle and depending on how you planted, your trees could settle and sink to a level to where you put its survival at risk.  It also makes it that much more difficult to cover (due to the increased height) during your dangerous cold spells.

I wonder if I can somehow compact the fill beforehand, by stomping around on it, then watering, wait for it to dry and stomp on it around some more. As for the height when trying to cover it from freezes, I can get 10 ft pvc pipes, unfortunately that will restrict my mango trees at being 8 ft tall during the winter time (I've read that the leaves shouldn't touch the fabric so I'll give it a 1 ft clearance).

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I may be able to give advice on your Sampaguita Jasmine. My mother was Filipina too, and I try to grow all the plants that remind me of being back home. I fertilize mine with good fertilizer, you want the one geared to blooming. They like morning sunlight and afternoon protection. Once they bloom, prune the branchlets they appeared on to encourage more.
You may want to surprise her and grow some other flowers that will bring her "home". Plumeria(Kulatsitsi), Angel Trumpet(Campanilya), Ylang-Ylang, and Butterfly Ginger(Kamya). :)

What kind of fertilizer do you use on your jasmine? Is it planted in the ground or container? Is it an acid loving plant or does it not care on if it grows in alkaline soil? Sorry for the many questions, just want to try to keep it alive, lol. Hmm, it likes morning sunlight and afternoon protection, looks like it'll have to go to the front of the house then.
I sometimes see people selling cuttings of plumeria branches, $15 per cutting. It doesn't look like much, just a bare stick, but if it's easy to grow I'll give it a shot, even though at $15 I prefer it to have roots or something, lol. As for Angel Trumpet, I know it's a toxic plant, my wife's sister used to have one in her old house, beautiful flowers, but at nights thieves would come and take all her blooms (we heard on the news that there was a rash of burglery of people steeling the blooms in an attempt to get high). So I'm not sure I want to attract the attention of druggies, lol. I haven't heard of a Butterfly Ginger, had to Google it and noticed it is a lily, I can't grow that, my wife is allergic to lilies. :( But the Ylang-Ylang tree looks beautiful. :) Will have to look into it more, so far I noticed that it grows at 15 ft per year unless it's a dwarf variety.

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@stormin
You did great buying five mangoes at good prices. You will have frost problems so now you have a better chance of survival. If you had just one mango tree and it got hit hard by frost you would be all done.
Do you have loquats? They are well suited for Orlando climate.

Thanks, it was hard to resist buying more mango trees at that price. :) Right now I have 8 mango trees, still don't have that Neelam though. ;) But then again I'm not sure I'd have enough space in my yard with all those mango trees, lol.
I don't have any loquats, I haven't tasted them before. They do look interesting, but not sure if I'd have enough room in my yard to plant a loquat, would need to taste some fruit before I think about planting it though. Looks similar to an apricot to me, if it tastes similar to one I probably wouldn't like it.

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I would say you picked some good ones. The coconut creams that I have the roots grow big fast. The lemon zest is vigorous but responds super with tip pruning. I have 3 pineapple pleasure and they are fairly vigorous, but look to be manageable without too many difficulties.
Good luck!

Thanks, I hope to be able to keep them alive. :) The roots grow big fast on the coconut cream? Is your's in a container? I'm planning on putting my coconut cream in the ground. The two that I bought today that will stay in containers are Rosigold and NDM. So both lemon zest and pineapple pleasure are manageable, that's great to hear! :)
Have both of my coco cream in large 1/2 whiskey barrel pots. Had to move up from 15 gallon pot way sooner than expected. This one is definitely not a container mango for long. Not for the top part of the tree, just the roots are crazy vigorous. Likely has to do with the rootstock, but zill does not label rootstocks much unless they are experimental.
My pineapple pleasures were all 3 gallon, and with the dry heat basically turned into bushes right away. The branches are thick though and pretty vigorous. Your lemon zest will be the most vigorous above the dirt, but nice thing is really likes to branch easily especially just tip pruning even.
Not sure why, but some varieties are really prone to aphids that create leaf deformation majorly. Most my mango varieties are not bothered by these ants/aphids, but of 30 some varieties, coconut cream, alphonso, and edward the ants/aphids seem to go after much more than any others. I learned from BSBULLIE to get rid of ants gets rid of aphids. Guess what...he's right.  I just spray some seven dust liquid spray when new growth starts developing and then the leaves do not get mangled. Just FYI

Yes, definitely, now that I just looked at my coconut cream mango, the roots are pretty vigorous, lol. It's still a short tree, but it's planted in a 7 gallon pot, which I found odd in the nursery, until you mentioned about the roots. :) I was looking at the tree again a short time ago, and notice something strange , where the rootstock is, just below the graftline, it's kind of bulging looking and has some sort of splitting/bursting thing going on. I'll try to take a picture tomorrow if it's not raining and post a new topic about it asking for help on what is going on.

I don't mind a bushy looking tree, I think it'll look pretty nice and hope my pineapple pleasure does the same thing as your's. I guess since the Lemon Zest is the most vigorous and takes on to tip pruning, I'll do my tip pruning onto that first to see if I am tipping correctly. :)

I haven't noticed ants on the mango trees, but will inspect for aphids. I have noticed big holes on most of the mango trees I've bought there, but haven't seen any bugs on the leaves, so not sure what bug is making holes on them.

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Green's is an excellent nursery!! (that's where my nursery was located right before I moved to the new address I'm at now...Ray Green was kind enough to rent me some space)

But u got lucky with those prices!!  he sells 3 gal mangoes for $25 usually! (which is still super cheap)....I hope you didn't get the person who sold them to you in trouble....lol...maybe they made a mistake?

either way, thanks for sharing your experience!

Ah, too bad you weren't located there still, I would've dropped by. :) And yes, Green's is an excellent nursery! :)

I had a feeling the mangoes were usually $25 (still cheap). We first talked to a brunette guy that was petting a kitten, with a dog behind him inside the place they did the billing. He showed us the mangoes and when asked about the price he said $20, then he showed us the jasmines and gardenias. He had to get a hispanic male to help pick out the Miami Supremes and Maid of Honors because they weren't blooming and he wasn't 100% sure the plants he was pointing at were the exact cultivar of what we were looking for. So the hispanic guy picked them for us and took us back to the billing building (the brunette guy had went to another building to talk to a female (employee I'm assuming) and when he was ringing us up he was saying 5 mangoes at $25 each, but we told him the other man quoted us $20. So we (my wife, me, and the hispanic guy) went to the brunette and asked if it's supposed to be $20, and he said "That's what Mr. Green said." So I guess they were on special. :) So doubt anyone got in trouble. :)

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Wow it seems you found a good nursery. Feel free to mention it so other members can also buy some more tree's there.

I wasn't sure if I was allowed to put out nursery names, but since it's allowed I will then. :) The nursery is Green's Nursery in Zellwood, highly recommend it for the Orlando area people. :)

Of course you're free to mention a nursery, after all this is the international online fruitforum and you are an american ( i guess). I'm sure the nursery will get busy now which is great. If i could buy lemon zest or fruit punch for 20$ i would be on my way right now before they are sold out.  ;D

Yep, I'm American born. I hope the nursery will get more customers going there, seems like a great nursery. As for the Lemon Zest, I bought the last one. ;)

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Nice score at those prices :). Welcome to the addiction-I mean uh um.......club :D.

Thanks. At those prices I had to buy those trees. :) lol, yeah I suppose it started becoming an addiction. :) Now to figure out where to plant them in the backyard.

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I would say you picked some good ones. The coconut creams that I have the roots grow big fast. The lemon zest is vigorous but responds super with tip pruning. I have 3 pineapple pleasure and they are fairly vigorous, but look to be manageable without too many difficulties.
Good luck!

Thanks, I hope to be able to keep them alive. :) The roots grow big fast on the coconut cream? Is your's in a container? I'm planning on putting my coconut cream in the ground. The two that I bought today that will stay in containers are Rosigold and NDM. So both lemon zest and pineapple pleasure are manageable, that's great to hear! :)

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Wow it seems you found a good nursery. Feel free to mention it so other members can also buy some more tree's there.

I wasn't sure if I was allowed to put out nursery names, but since it's allowed I will then. :) The nursery is Green's Nursery in Zellwood, highly recommend it for the Orlando area people. :)

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My wife and I went to a nursery to buy 2 mango trees and other plants and came out with 5 mango trees.  ;D I was looking to see if they had a Rosigold and Neelam to have an early and late season mango crop. I did find a Rosigold, and when I asked for the price, the worker stated $20. For that price I had to get more trees. :) I ended up getting a Rosigold, Nam Doc Mai (smallest mango tree I have), Coconut Cream, Pineapple Pleasure, and Lemon Zest (I know it is a fairly vigorous grower but I couldn't pass it up after reading so many positive reviews).

The nursery had mostly Hadens and Lemon Meringues in stock, the other varieties were either only in quantities of 1 or 2 left. When I was there I saw Peach Cobbler, Madame Francis, some odd named one I think it started with Tia or Sia, Ice Cream, Julie, Juliette, Carrie, and Eastern Indian (never heard of this one). The Lemon Zest I have is pretty tall in a 3 gallon pot, I'm planning on letting it grow to a manageable height during the growing season and then prune it down to a max height of 9' so I can protect it each winter season. Will that be doable, or will I not get mangoes from this tree? Also, I've read good reviews about Pineapple Pleasure, but don't recall reading anything about the tree itself. Is it a vigorous grower like a Valencia Pride, or is it more modest?

The other plants I have bought are Jasmine Sambac: Maid of Honor (my mother kept asking me to plant it so when she visits she can smell it, she loves that plant since it's her home country's national flower and reminds her of the Philippines) and two grafted Miami Supreme gardenias for my wife. I know these aren't tropical fruits, but if anyone has any helpful information please be free to let me know since I have never grown any of these before. My soil is alkaline and I know gardenias like acidic soil, so those are going in containers. But how big of a container do I need for them? I've been looking online about the Jasmine Sambac Maid of Honor plant but I'm getting conflicting information, some places state it needs acidic soil, other sites stating it grows in alkaline, neutral, and acidic soil. So any help on those will be gratefully appreciated! :)

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Yellow Plum tree in Orlando area?
« on: February 24, 2015, 07:07:47 PM »
My spouse wants to know if she can grow a yellow plum tree in the Orlando area? I've researched some and found Gulf Gold Plum, but cannot find where to purchase that can ship them. I know plums need some chill hours, but I don't know if our area gets enough cold days/nights for plum trees.

Gulf gold won't work. You might get a small crop or two but then it will die. It was never patented because if doesn't survive. Some of the other gulf series might do well for you but the others are not yellow. Gulf blaze and gulf rose are good if she isn't set on a yellow.

So that's why I couldn't find a place that sold Gulf Gold. Unfortunately my wife only wanted a yellow plum tree. :( I feel bad for her as that's the only fruit tree she wanted.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone growing mangoes in raised beds?
« on: February 24, 2015, 06:58:31 PM »

Is that first and second picture in the front of your house? You're lucky. My HOA would probably send a warning, fine me, put a lien on my house if I did that, lol. What soil/compost are you using to fill your raised bed? And won't the grass grow through the soil if not removed or covered with thick newspaper or cardboard? I'll be removing my grass and transplanting it to my front yard (front yard has some dead spots for some reason).

Yep
my neighbors are pretty cool
there is no HOA

the soil is from a company that sells 3 yards for $100
there is 50/50
or, 33/33/33 (compost / sand / mulch)
it is actually pretty good stuff. i was impressed.

i have some newspaper in some areas. cardboard in the back yard
and in a few areas, i actually dug up the grass.
i plan on using some kind of ground cover though.
sweet potato worked real well in 1 area i had before.

Lucky you, no HOA. :)
I'm still searching for a place that sells 50/50 mix for a good draining soil. So far the few places that I have researched so far sells a 50/50 mix of top soil and mushroom compost.
Oh OK, I didn't notice cardboard. :) I'm not sure if I'll put any ground cover in my raised bed, probably just put mulch on it so the tree will not have to compete with other plants for nutrients.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Filter for garden hose
« on: February 24, 2015, 06:35:39 PM »
Concerning the "they put chlorine in the water for a purpose": Yes, but that purpose is first to kill anything that's in the water when they introduce it to the system, and then to prevent things from growing as water sits in the system before it reaches your house. Unless water's sitting for very long periods of time in the pipes in your house, it's unlikely you have anything to worry about.

That said, the concept that "chlorine is as bad for people as it is for plants" is also wrong. Plants are much more chlorine sensitive than humans. Humans ingest large amounts of chlorine ion every day not simply from water, but most famously in the form of salt (sodium chloride, Na+ Cl- (aq)). About 100 grams of the average human body is chlorine. And if you think chlorine is bad in your bathwater then you better not even go *near* the ocean where it's many orders of magnitude more concentrated.

That said, filtering your water isn't in most regards a bad thing. One, the most common water health issue is inadequate disinfection, so if you have a filter that can filter out infectious organisms as well, you're helping yourself out there. Harmful contaminants in water are limited by regulations, but with a filter you're adding a layer of protection for yourself against accidental violations of water quality guidelines, and of course, even the limits can be improved upon; it's never bad to reduce your intake of, say, lead, even if the levels are already low. The only negative problem that comes to mind is if your filtration system filters out fluorine (which if it filters out chlorine it almost certainly will do). This will give you a statistically significantly higher risk of dental caries unless you consume enough from other fluoride sources, such as fluoridated salt or toothpaste. Regular exposure to fluorine ions (such as from fluoridated water, or water from streams and wells naturally rich in fluorine) converts the hydroxyapatite that makes up teeth into the harder and more acid resistant fluoroapatite.
Thanks for the info!
Here in Arizona the levels of chlorine are so high that if you fill a bucket or garbage container with water and then smell, it smells like a swimming pool. With the inline filter, no pool smell. This is another way to test if the filter is wore out BTW. So chlorine or chloramine I don't know which is in the water, but it works.

You can either call the company that deals with your water supply to see which they use, either chlorine or chloramine, or in my case, I went to their website and it was listed that they use chlorine in my area.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone growing mangoes in raised beds?
« on: February 23, 2015, 08:32:41 PM »
Maybe I should start asking.. Has anyone grown mangoes using mushroom compost as half their soil mixture??

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone growing mangoes in raised beds?
« on: February 23, 2015, 08:31:06 PM »
I have seen pics of a yard where they were planted on mounds, and the owner wore knee high wading boots to harvest the mangoes.  If you search the forum, you may find the pics

Thats was the back section of my yard, it floods like that a few times a year. I did not do framed raised beds, just large mounds/sections of 50/50 soil. I have not had any issues with root rot on mangos so would not be overly concerned with that.

Yeah I stumbled across the picture of the yard flooded with a few mounds of mango trees above the flood. :) What is the other half of the 50/50 soil mix you use? how high is your mound compared to the rest of the yard?

50/50 is half topsoil/half sand most soil/fill companies sell it under that name. The mounds started about 2 feet above ground level but have since settled to maybe half that height now. All my mango trees planted that way in the low part of my yard have done very well.     

OK, thanks I'll check the local soil companies. I've checked some online and it seems the ones that have websites that list their products, list their garden soil as half top soil and half mushroom compost. I'm starting to wonder what's up with all the mushroom compost, lol. Wow, your mound settled to half of what it was? That's good that your trees are doing good, hopefully mine will be doing good too,  once I find a local company that has soil with half sand. :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best composter
« on: February 23, 2015, 07:08:34 PM »
I was debating this one


http://smile.amazon.com/dp/B009378AG2/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2QQFFX1EWC4Z2&coliid=I3FN10A52EZXC1&psc=1

The reviews were quite good but I wanted to see if anyone had one that they loved and recommended.  At that price it is hard to not give it a whirl.


You can also purchase it at Home Depot. I was looking at the same one, lol. But I don't think I generate much yard waste yet to justify purchasing it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Filter for garden hose
« on: February 23, 2015, 06:42:17 PM »
Here's a picture of my setup. From the spigot to a sediment filter bought from Home Depot, to the Gard'n Gro filter, to the waterhose reel.




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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Yellow Plum tree in Orlando area?
« on: February 23, 2015, 05:27:06 PM »
My spouse wants to know if she can grow a yellow plum tree in the Orlando area? I've researched some and found Gulf Gold Plum, but cannot find where to purchase that can ship them. I know plums need some chill hours, but I don't know if our area gets enough cold days/nights for plum trees.

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All my mangoes got blasted by this last freezes.  What is the best method of pruning to salvage any life? Does the death spread from the leaves to the trunk or do the dead areas just die off?  How severe should I prune? This is my first freeze. 



















So sorry to see your trees like that. :( Hopefully they're still alive and push out some new growth this spring!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Freeze Damage Feb. 2015
« on: February 23, 2015, 05:15:49 PM »
Bailey's Marvel and Nam Doc Mai are tough.  Mine saw a 12hr snap of 20-22F that went back to 30s right after for a couple days.  Not even a burned leaf.  The Irwin did well also.

My more sensitive citrus varieties dropped their leaves and a few branch tips browned on them.

The loser out of the bunch seems to be my key lime.  Looks like all of its smaller branches browned and it quite possibly died.  My Kari carambola looks stressed also.

Early Peaches and Nectarines were in full bloom and apparently didn't care.  Their fruit even set, and I didn't see a single bug making pollenation attempts.

What a crazy winter this was.  Hot and random cold snaps.  My pears and apples seemed to love the cold, though.  I have a ton more fruiting spurs than normal.  :)

Were they covered?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone growing mangoes in raised beds?
« on: February 23, 2015, 05:10:43 PM »
my yard is low, i have to make a mound or bed to plant almost anything.
my 1 mango is still in a container now, when i plant it out, it will certainly be 6 inches above grade.

since the put out a taproot, i imagine them drying out is not a huge issue
not in my climate anyway. I may have to water it a few times the first few months

the area right next to the house has an old hibiscus that died
which i am pulling out to make way for the mango

i am putting in papaya, starfruit and jaboticaba  as well

that is a papaya near the house that lost its leaves
and has a bit of a "bent" shape to it.


and a Loquat (center of pic)... the evergreens are coming out too.
i might keep them for another year though, they help keep the papaya from wind and cold damage.


ready for more papaya, blackberries, passionflower etc...



Is that first and second picture in the front of your house? You're lucky. My HOA would probably send a warning, fine me, put a lien on my house if I did that, lol. What soil/compost are you using to fill your raised bed? And won't the grass grow through the soil if not removed or covered with thick newspaper or cardboard? I'll be removing my grass and transplanting it to my front yard (front yard has some dead spots for some reason).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone growing mangoes in raised beds?
« on: February 23, 2015, 05:01:08 PM »
I have seen pics of a yard where they were planted on mounds, and the owner wore knee high wading boots to harvest the mangoes.  If you search the forum, you may find the pics

Thats was the back section of my yard, it floods like that a few times a year. I did not do framed raised beds, just large mounds/sections of 50/50 soil. I have not had any issues with root rot on mangos so would not be overly concerned with that.

Yeah I stumbled across the picture of the yard flooded with a few mounds of mango trees above the flood. :) What is the other half of the 50/50 soil mix you use? how high is your mound compared to the rest of the yard?

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