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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can you graft onto a graft?
« on: February 24, 2021, 03:59:48 PM »
I am not sure about avocados but with mango trees people often top work a tree which generally was started as a graft itself.  So effectively we are grafting onto an existing graft with many mango varieties.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Most Disease-Resistant Macadamia?
« on: February 16, 2021, 04:20:20 PM »
Just a little side note here since I see you seem to be in Central Florida.  There is a commercial macadamia orchard in the Plant City area on the north side of Rt. 60 just east of Rt. 39.  I believe it is called Brackins.  Some people with commercial businesses like this often like to talk about their business and may be able to provide a little insight for you.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon fruit trellis guestion
« on: February 15, 2021, 12:29:54 PM »
Once one piece is made the way you want, spray it with mold release for urethane and themyou can use urethane resin to pour over it in a box.  Once that cures, flip it over, pull out the original and then just continue using mold release on the mold itself and pour the concrete in, let it cure and then pull it from the mold and reuse.  There are specific urethane resins that work particularly well with concrete and, if wanted, you can use standoffs to hold steel rebar in position to reinforce the concrete before pouring.  The right resin will have a lot of flexibility to pull the completed concrete part out.  Just be sure to coat the mold with fresh mold release each time before pouring the concrete.  You can even embed bolts into the concrete for mounting the pieces if you want. 

I used to have a mold casting business and made a lot of parts over the years.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rain deluge does anyone have the tally?
« on: February 14, 2021, 10:43:29 AM »
Central Florida can have all the rain it wants.

Happy to take the excess rain hit if you will share the mango overload, lol.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rain deluge does anyone have the tally?
« on: February 14, 2021, 08:15:52 AM »
It sounds like the sky is falling and the fish are drowning anyone else receiving rain this early morn?

Here in South Lakeland, near County Line Road my Ambient unit only recorded .26 of an inch of rain overnight.  Sun popping out through the clouds right now.

If you are going to run a pipe up the tree, first I would consider using plastic EMT as opposed to plumbing PVC.  My reasoning for this is that plumbing PVC gets brittle over time in the sun and the plastic electrical conduit, while being the same size, is manufactured with UV inhibitors that should hold the stability being out there year round.

Also, to hold it in place with established trees, I would suggest using double sided velcro.  As a center pole for my frost covers when I planted my trees (not a grove but I did plant a dozen smaller mango trees over the past year) I drove a piece of chain link fence top rail into the ground to use as the main support for my frost cover but also to stabilize the young trees and temporarily pull branches in closer when I cover the trees.  I use the softer side of the velcro against the tree trunk and branches and just twist it as necessary to adhere it to itself.  It holds extremely well, is very easily adjustable and does not harm the tree.  It could easily hold the water pipe in place for you without damaging the tree trunk or any branches.

As a side note, the reasoning for the fence top rail is that it is galvanized so it is more resistant to rust and there are a couple of ways to increase its height as the tree grows plus my conduit top cross supports for the frost covers will easily slip on and off.  That would be a different topic though.

Our pond is just on our fenced in property. I don't use any chemicals to get in it. In fact I water my fruit trees with during the dry season from February to May. However the temperature of the pond water maybe colder than well water that time of year so I'd have to see how that might effect the situation. There is also a potential issue of clogging from dirty water which would be real bad. I might be able to use our well water. I'll have to see if it puts out enough gph. It's probably something like 300 gallons per hour but I would probably only setup overhead irrigation for the mangoes. The tougher trees Im not as worried about although you never know when we will get hit by a 25* night or lower. Things to ponder.

With regard to your concern about clogging from dirty water, I recall seeing something where a pump had a filter attached to it and a small portion of the water being pumped was jetted back at the filter portion to help keep the water flowing overall.  You might want to check into something like that.  Also, many years ago when I had another property that was on a lake, I rigged up a system where I had the pump inside a large bucket so the pump would not pull directly from the sediment at the bottom of the pond.  I then used a medium screening over the top of the bucket with a hole for the pipe coming out while covering the rest of the bucket to keep larger debris from even getting to the pump itself.  The pump I used was referred to as a trash pump which was designed to be able to handle some smaller sediment that got through without burning up.  Just relaying what worked for me.

Sounds like you had a much better plan than I did. Of course, my excuse is that I was only 16 at the time.

Ice is very safe and effective for some tropicals (obviously not going to work for Soursop and other ultra tropicalss). When we have all our pumps running, the temperature of the property can rise 3 degrees in 30 minutes even away from where the water is being applied. It does have some limitations and reqires an initial investment, but irrigation in the dry season and a good nights sleep in the winter are well worth it in my opinion.

I have pondered an overhead irrigation system for protection but haven't really looked into it other than the one shower I created over a jackfruit tree. I wonder if I could create something with a water pump I put in my pond and  use to irrigate my trees? It puts out 3000 gallons an hour which I assume is way more than I would need. I'm going to do some investigating on this as it may be something I could setup for next year.

While the idea you have using pond water may have merit on the surface, mccain be sure to think it through.  Is the pond water treated, even around the shoreline for vegetation or anything else?  What is the source of that pond water and could anything be leaching into it that might prove harmful to your trees in the long run?

I am sure you are probably already considering these potential factors but for any that are just starting to read it with a light bulb coming on, think it through all the way.  While we have a pond that we share with a neighbor, I would feel safer setting up a system with efficient spray heads above  the trees and using my well water with a stable temperature as opposed to stratified varying temperatures from a pond.

While we do have several nurseries around here that have ponds they use for their plants, I believe they would draw considerably more water and are probably more regulated like strawberry fields by government agencies relative to pumping well water from our aquifer.

Just my initial thoughts

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Frozen trees
« on: February 04, 2021, 05:22:32 PM »
I would not give up on them yet, while very small, you might just be surprised about it bouncing back.   Best of luck to you both with your hospital stay and the health of the trees!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Polar vortex heading to FL next week?
« on: February 04, 2021, 03:26:10 AM »
At 2:15 this morning we were down to 31.3.  My South Lakeland FL location is just NE of the corner of County Line Road and Ewell Road.  Since then the temp has been bouncing around as high as 32 around 3 and now, at 3:22 back down to 31.6.  I wish it would bounce back up, otherwise we are going to be at or below freezing for about 6 to 8 hours.  Now wishing I had done more outside earlier in the day.  Shoulda, coulda, woulda scenario for me as I just was not expecting such a long freeze tonight.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Polar vortex heading to FL next week?
« on: February 03, 2021, 06:47:57 PM »
Here in at my place in Lakeland I was shocked this morning seeing 32* when the forecast was 40*. That is the biggest miss I have witnessed in monitoring temps the past 5 years. I was angry but I don't believe anything was harmed. I typically use accuweather but I monitor other sources as well. Typically my property is right on par with the accuweather forecast for Lakeland but I've seen it off by 5-6 degrees before. The 8* it was off last night is just frustrating. Glad it wasn't a 8* miss with a forecast of 34 or so.

WOW what a miss. You must be in a cool pocket last night?
I watch the weather channel and my forecast was 37F last night.
I went out and checked at 5:00 and it was 40F. That last hour or so
can really drop but it didn't last night. Tonight my forecast is 33F

Just an fyi achetadomestica, I live in South Lakeland, FL and at 5 this morning I was at 38.1 degrees (home weather station that has been pretty accurate).  Then by 6:15 I was down to 34.4 and it continued to drop until after 7 this morning when it bottomed out at 31.6 degrees.  Attached is a pic just before that at 31.8 degrees.

KeyPlex has a product for foliar spraying called Blossom.  It's instructions are very specific about not spraying after the panicle buds appear for what that is worth.  Just not worth taking a chance as far as I am concerned.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Flower Visual Guide?
« on: January 31, 2021, 06:39:51 PM »
Thanks! You are correct about mixing copper and sulfur. I thought I had read of phytotoxicity due to bacteria  eating the sulfur which creates sulfuric acid and lowers the pH of the copper making it toxic to plants but now I canít find any reference to it. Iíll have to see if I can find some copper soap!

While I had to purchase 2 1/2 gallons, I bought Cueva from Nutrien AG which has several sites in FL. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Flower Visual Guide?
« on: January 30, 2021, 03:52:39 PM »
Does anyone have a link to a good visual guide for mango flowers? Ideally something with macro photos of male flowers, hermaphrodite flowers, fertilized flowers, normal dead flowers, anthracnose flowers, and powdery mildew flowers. I think Iíve been staring at my Rosigold flowers too long and Iím starting to convince myself something is wrong lol. Some of the flowers are turning brown and drying up and Iím not seeing fruitlets, PM, and I donít think it looks like anthracnose. Iím guessing they were just not pollinated but my mind is wandering lol! Iíve been spraying with sulfur every week or two for PM since itís been mostly dry but we have had some dewy mornings that make me think I should have chosen copper (Iím nervous about using the two too close together).

You have concern about using copper and sulphur too close together.  Har did a video this past December where he was using them in the same solution.  I suggest you watch the video but also pay specific attention to the products he is using as I have understood that not all are as compatible as these.  He also speaks of keeping the mix agitated being extremely important.  I have been successful in keeping the sulphur in suspension by utilizing a small boat bilge pump connected to the same battery as my relatively inexpensive spray system.

Here is the link to his video and I hope, while it is not the pictures you were looking for, it is of help for you.

The rings. On most trees there is an inner plastic ring. These are edging pieces from Home Depot that you attach to each other. The outer rings are poured concrete. The inner rings are mainly for when the trees are young. The outer rings were to keep the gardener from hitting the trees with the weed wacker.
Both rings are for more efficient watering and fertilization. When one waters their trees without especially the inner circle very little of the water goes straight down into the earth but when you have that circle and the bottom of the plastic is inserted into the earth a little bit then the water and liquid fertilizer goes straight down into the ground near the rootball. You can water or fertilize 100 young trees perfectly in a very short time this way. In the next few days Iíll make a short video of my fertilization technique. Over the years I use this technique to ďpushĒ my young trees to grow. This technique never causes burning and 100% of the liquid complete fertilizer is utilized. You can fertilize every week or bi weekly or monthly just simply by changing the concentration. And I push the young trees hard till theyíve been in the ground for 3 full years. And any fruit on those trees before the complete end of year 3 is picked off when tiny and thrown on the ground so that all energy goes into the wood so the tree can get big and strong for year 4 production.
So Iíll make the video soon and put it here. I use a 9-3-6 complete fertilizer with all the micros.

Your setup and dedication are very impressive, Weiss.  With our last home, we had the concrete borders installed and while they looked impressive from a distance, the concrete border installer didn't do a very good job as, even with the expansion joints, the concrete was cracking and separating within weeks.  I worked for several years to get those trees growing and it was a slow process.  Then a year ago we moved to the Lakeland, FL area just as those 6 trees were full of panicles.

Now as I am wondering if I will live long enough to really enjoy the fruits of my labors at our home here, I have planted 12 varieties of mangos along with several other tropical fruit trees and plants.  Accordingly, I am extremely interested in seeing how you are pushing your amazing looking tropical paradise.  To that end, I am anxiously awaiting seeing your upcoming video.

With respect to border areas to contain fertilizer feeding and keeping grass and weeds out, I came across a product online that is working extremely well for me.  It is called Grassbarrier and is a strong yet flexible plastic border that is 10" wide and relatively easy to cut.  I use a framers square to keep my cuts straight and make repeated passes with a razor knife until it is cut through.  While this method is slower than using a saw, it leaves a nice and clean cut edge.  I bury mine approximately 5" to 6" below the surface which still allows a good 4" to 5" to remain above the surface to contain mulch around the trees.  With the extra depth, it also acts as a great deterrent to grass and weeds creeping into the area.  It has been holding up well to both the robotic mowers bumping it and the weedeater string hitting it as I maintain the property.

Thanks again for sharing your postings and videos.  I find them truly inspiring.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Cot-N-Candy Aprium Cuttings
« on: January 26, 2021, 06:22:50 AM »
Wondering if these are still available as neither the facebook link nor the eBay link show anything.  I am also wondering if it is possible for them to root using rooting hormone as opposed to grafting since I have no Aprium rootstock.  I am having some luck rooting some mango cuttings as an experiment.

Ive got one in 7 gal available

I wish you were not over 3 hours away as I would be interested.  Just too long a drive for a tree at my age.  Someone will be sure to score it.

ZHHP is propagating them so they should be finding their way to retail nurseries.  Keep checking around.

No luck so far after checking around a bit.  However there was one offering around Oct 15th for an 18-inch air-layer of 'Butterscotch' on eBay with vendor asking $200 for it!  Yikes! Way too rich for my blood. Even so someone apparenty sprang for it as the auction closed marked 'sold' after two days.

Anyway, still looking for a 'Butterscotch' priced so that an Olde Retired Kreaker like me might be able to afford it.
(Not holding breath!)

Epicatt, did you ever find your Butterscotch Sapodilla?  I am in the South Lakeland, FL area and have just started looking.  If you located anything within reasonable driving distance and not outrageously priced, I would really appreciate you sharing your info.  Thanks


Paul M.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What to plant in wet muck soil
« on: January 14, 2021, 02:54:28 PM »
I was by no means suggesting planting the Brazilian Pepper.  My thinking was to go out and find one growing in the wild, dig it up, lop off the top and destroy that part immediately and then graft a Mango variety or two to the rootstock hoping it will take per that link I provided earlier and have more potential of surviving in wet soil due to the rootstock itself.

I used to live on Tampa Bay and we quite often had salt air winds coming off the bay.  Also, my next door neighbor had 2 huge mango trees that produced large but fiberous mangos that had a great flavor and were less than 100 ft from the seawall.  These trees were never sprayed, fertilized or anything but, in season, the branches hung over one corner of my rooftop deck nearly 40 feet in the air and we could just reach out and pick them without any problem.

In the 12 years we had that property, we went through cold snaps, storms that literally splashed salt water against the seawall and over his single story house onto the trees, etc and the trees remained unphased by it all.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What to plant in wet muck soil
« on: January 12, 2021, 12:59:31 AM »
I am going to throw a real wrench into this.  There is an invasive that I believe does very well in wet muck soil called the Brazilian Pepper.  Also back in 2018 there was something published about grafting mango to the Brazilian Pepper for the purpose of having it grow in a wet clay soil.  The paper spoke of some follow up because it looked like while there was some limited success, it was done at the wrong time of the year.  But while there was a mention within the paper of a follow up, I can not locate it. 

Yes, the two plants are related according to the paper and while I am not advocating propagating an invasive, if such a graft did work for wet muck style soil, it could generate a group out there digging up the invasive in the wild to graft onto and propagate mango varieties that could do well in some of the muck soil we have around  Florida.

Here is the link to that paper  ---

Please don't stone me for my off the wall thinking.

I did not realize that Daconil (chlorothalonil active ingredient) was labeled for mango, but it is on this list from the University of Hawaii as being effective against powdery mildew and possibly anthracnose.

Here is a youtube video about protecting mango bloom from powdery mildew and anthracnose featuring one of the experts from this forum. It is very informative. Har points out that sulfur is only a preventative for powdery mildew, and that you may need to spray more than once a week to get complete protection if there is heavy rain.

Several days ago, I saw Har's youtube video and while I really appreciate it, I did post a couple of questions there which unfortunately have yet to be answered.  Perhaps someone here that is familiar with the video can answer them for me.  First, while many recommend not spraying copper and sulphur within the same mix, it appears that is what Har did in this video using copper soap and I just wanted to confirm this.  I do recall that in a couple of posts on this forum Cookie Monster posted about doing this as well.  Second, I didn't see Har use any sort of sticker and was wondering if one could prove beneficial.  Again, I believe Cookie Monster had posted about using Kinetic if I remember correctly and personally believe it would prove beneficial.

Any input from others more knowledgeable than myself would certainly be appreciated by me and I would suspect others as well.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Agitator kit for backpack sprayer
« on: January 06, 2021, 08:57:24 AM »
Someone here put 12v bilge pump in tank to recirculate mix.
Sounds like great solution to me.

Side note, sulfur label i read yesterday said mix amount to be used in little water to make paste before adding rest of water.
I am one that did the bilge pump for my 15 gallon tank and it works well.  I was trying to think out of the box here for agitating a smaller backpack sprayer.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Agitator kit for backpack sprayer
« on: January 06, 2021, 08:16:59 AM »
Off the wall thought here.  There are some small handheld waterproof misting fans that are pretty cheap.  While the misting feature would not be of any help, I wonder if the mechanisms are sealed well enough that you could use the misting area to counterweight it down, and just drop it into the tank with it turned on.  The fan blade mechanism would agitate the liquid inside the backpack and be safe as long as the battery compartment and the blade bearings seal out water penetration.  Even if the battery compartment is not sealed, you could put a little silicone around that area and peel it away when the batteries need to be changed.

These things are real cheap, many under $10.  Just get one that has a shroud around the blades so it operates continuously. It would probably be easy to even try a little velcro with double sided tape to attach it in a particular spot at the bottom of the tank and thus be removable.

Crazy but might just work.

The most recent video at Truly Tropical, showing a specific formula for spraying Sulfur with Copper Soap and Kelp.  Only if your sprayer has a good motorized agitator.

If you could respond to the questions I posted on your youtube video it would be greatly appreciated, Har.  Thanks

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