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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Agitator kit for backpack sprayer
« on: January 05, 2021, 01:29:42 PM »
Trying to be creative here. Since I can't imagine a backpack sprayer holding more than a couple of gallons of product, perhaps you could fabricate a holder for a battery operated handheld kitchen blender or mixer which might move the material enough. Just an off the wall thought and would require some sort of fabrication to hold it in position while it is running.

I would be curious as to where you purchased it.  We purchased one like that from Home Depot last spring and it had buds all over it.  We transplanted it and while we did not get a lot of peaches, the ones we did get were incredible.  Unfortunately we had recently purchased the property and did not realize how wet our back yard gets.  Just poorly perking soil and the tree got real wet feet.  We have been hoping it would come back but no luck so far.  Still hoping but I would like to get another just in case and create more of a mound to plant it on in hopes that helps.

I bought a 15 gallon Country Way sprayer that has an everflo pump from Rural King for $60.  The sprayer itself is pitiful so I replaced that for another $20 and then I got an inexpensive bilge pump designed for a boat for another $15 and put that into the spray tank.  It does a decent job of keeping the micronized sulphur in suspension as it just keeps recirculating the liquid in the tank.  Just fill with what I am going to be spraying and have a 15 ft hose to the sprayer with the tank on the back of my carryall cart and it works well for me.  For those on a more strict budget that do not have a carryall, just put the tank in a wagon to move it around from tree to tree.

I don't think there is anything wrong with planting them directly in the ground as long as your soil drains extremely well because dragon fruit prefers drier soil.  We live in South Lakeland and unfortunately our soil does not drain very well so we have ours in pots with a trellis inside each pot. 
Hope this does not offend anyone but there is another spot with great information on dragon fruit with a number of participants that live and grow dragon fruit in Florida and that is on Facebook, Dragon fruit growers of North America.  A moderator there, Michael Floridino, has a significant size farm in Central Florida and is also a wealth of information.  As you plan to start, if you are doing anything of size, it might be worth trying to arrange a trip to see his operation.
Best of luck to you and I look forward to seeing posts of your progress.

Exacto knife
A friend bought me one and it is the best knife I have ever

I agree with you about the Exacto knife but have a couple of things to add about it.  I used to be in the picture framing industry and actually developed, manufactured and sold a couple of cutting tools for the trade.  First, do not try to buy inexpensive blades as they are not nearly as polished and sharp.  Second, at one point I put together a package consisting of a piece of leather attached to a block of wood with a small amount of a very fine grinding compound and a small amount of cutting blade wax.  I sold a number of these kits for those that did decorative cutting in mats.  Many would do freehand design cuts in mats using an Xacto knife.  They would swear by resharpening the razor blade of the Xacto knife by periodically running it back and forth over the leather strap on one side with the grinding compound then the other side with the wax.  I would get repeated compliments about how the blade would continue to sharpen over time.  One even took the time to use a microscope with pics about how the small grinding marks on the blade would disappear over time improving the ease with which it cut.  Not a new idea, just a different twist as barbers have used a leather strap to sharpen a straight edge for many years.

I agree that preventative measures should be taken before either of these even take hold as they can be near impossible to eradicate if they get started.  I would like to first add that everyone needs to be sure about compatibility as well.  For instance, I was recently looking at using a horticultural oil for insects and very clearly on the label it stated not to use it if sulphur has been used within the last three weeks and once applied, do not use sulphur for the next three weeks.  Sulphur, in my opinion, can be a great tool for avoiding powdery mildew but this would make using it very difficult at best.

Also, Cookie Monster has posted a number of messages about this subject that are very helpful from my limited knowledge.  I will try to pull a couple of those up and provide links later today.  I do have to say that some of his recommendations are better directed for those with more than a few trees as the quantities in which they are sold are better suited for that purpose.  He did have posts relative to the Bonide products which you mention of micronized sulphur and copper.  He also was very specific about not sticking to one regimen but alternating products so the diseases do not build up a resistance.  THANKS TO Cookie Monster FOR ALL OF YOUR VALUABLE POSTS ON THIS AND OTHER SUBJECTS!

Additionally, I recently saw a couple of threads with another group that were advocating the use of Daconil for both powdery mildew and anthracnose.  They also spoke of it being waterproof which to me may not be quite accurate.  Perhaps it is more water resistant to a degree.  One poster did speak of his experience being better for it without using any surfactant sticker.  Perhaps the ingredients in it include a surfactant.

Thanks bovine for starting such a timely thread for so many of us here.  While there are other threads that have previously been posted in this forum, they are not always the easiest to locate for me at least as I am not very knowledgeable on doing searches.  Also, with starting a new thread like this, perhaps others will chime in about newer products available for fighting these.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help. I need to buy 400 pot 10 gallon
« on: December 28, 2020, 01:34:01 PM »
If you go to Facebook Marketplace, I would be surprised if there isn't someone selling used ones real cheap.  Just another option if you are not concerned about them being used.

I am in South Lakeland, not that far from Tampa and Weather Underground is predicting 32 here for Saturday morning.  Get confirmation predictions from several sources to be safe.

I know it has been brought up before but it is easy to forget.  If you are using a well with a water softener it can cause issues.  I have a well but if I forget to shut the softener side and tank off beforehand, my hose will tend to drain the tank first which is softened water.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zone 9b space coast Florida peaches?
« on: December 18, 2020, 01:20:58 PM »
We live in South Lakeland, FL and just under a year ago we saw a Tropic Snow Peach tree at Home Depot that was a good 6 ft tall in a 15 gallon container for about $130 and it was full of blooms.  We lost some of the flowers getting it home and in planting it I managed to get a stress fracture and torn meniscus in my left leg but it was planted.  We got about two dozen amazing peaches off of it.  Then about August it lost all of its leaves and have seen nothing since but still hopeful that it has not died as when I scrape a branch, I still see signs of green.

If the tree does not make it, I think we will still try another.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fertilizer/Soil Order for Mango Tree
« on: December 14, 2020, 02:36:17 PM »
With talk of time release fertilizers potentially washing out with periodic rainstorms, why wouldn't it make more sense to go on a regimen of using water soluble fertilizers on a more regular basis.  Particularly in an area like Florida with the downpours we often receive.  I recognize that this would require being more dedicated and consistent in following a strict timetable.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Shade
« on: December 11, 2020, 05:40:37 PM »
What is causing the shade?  If it is a tree or 2 you may just want to remove them in favor of tropical fruit plantings.

Here in Lakeland, FL we are projected for mid 30's for the overnight low.  Right now 38.8 degrees but doesn't seem to be dropping much at this point.  While I set up existing frames and frost cloth from last year, I also had to build new ones for the additions this past spring and summer.  Just hoping we get lucky and dodge the freeze bullet.  Another 4 or 5 hours and we should know.  Nurseries in the area were pumping the water over the plants at 5 last evening and I would guess by now the local strawberry fields are being sprayed as well to be safe.

What a great thing to do!  All the best for a safe and happy Holiday Season.

I am fairly new to the forum and am finding that I have a lot to learn with a limited time left, being older than dirt, or at least often feeling that way.  I do see quite a number of comments interspersed about growing organically and am raising the question relative to the possibility of setting up a separate topic area or sub topic area dedicated to those who are or want to grow organically?  Just posing a question about this and wondering if others believe it might be worthwhile.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« on: November 22, 2020, 05:39:41 AM »
Anyone tried Keyplex DP Blossom Formula.  It contains Calcium, Magnesium and Boron.  I just purchased a 2/1/2 gallon container of it to try on my mango trees as a foliar spray.  I decided to give it a go in conjunction with using the Keyplex 350.  To me, it might be a little more of a challenge because the directions do say to apply it "prior to bloom and no later than early pinhead bud stage".  I will probably have to mix small quantities as my trees are of different varieties that bloom at different times of the year.  But, I have heard some good things about Keyplex 350 so when I saw this, I figured it might be worth a shot. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit Cocktail mango
« on: November 20, 2020, 03:07:29 PM »
@JulianoGS, We have a preference of mangos without fiber and the trees I planted are Cogshall, Carrie, Mallika, Glenn, Choc Anon, Cotton Candy, Keitt, Ice Cream and Lancetilla.  Additionally we planted a Florida Prince Peach, a Tropic Snow Peach and a Cara Cara Orange tree.  Funny, well not really the Tropic Snow Peach tree was a large one for me, a 25 gallon pot.  After planting that in early spring, I started having issues with my left knee area.  It turned out that I guess in digging the hole I not only ended up with a stress fracture but also a meniscus tear.  While the stress fracture healed, I had to have arthroscopic surgery which, in my opinion, was a major fail as almost 6 months later I still have a fair amount of discomfort and my ability to move around is much more limited.  Guess that's life - just another issue with getting old.

I recognize that dehydration will alter the texture of mango fruit but has anyone here dehydrated specific varieties of mangos and do they hold consistent the actual taste/flavor of the variety itself?

While I am asking this from an informational standpoint if the mango varieties do hold their specific flavors, I believe a great business venture could be launched.  A grower of someone with access to significant quantities of the particular varieties could dehydrate, package with labels in small quantities the varieties and sell them as such.  That way, out of season, someone interested in growing mangos for their own personal consumption, could purchase 5, 10, 15 packets of the specific varieties they might be interested in growing to help in their decision process.  Not to mention those who just get cravings out of season for specific varieties.

Have the packets each hold a specific amount from a weight standpoint.  Offer quantity discounts and allow the customers to select the number of packages of each specific variety they want to sample.  Dehydrated mangos would be easy to ship and potentially available year round.  The business could also offer wholesale pricing to nurseries so they could give or sell samples to customers that are interested in tasting the specific varieties.  My view is that it could generate additional tree sales as potential customers could end up liking several varieties and purchasing multiple trees instead of one.

If I were not so old, I would try to do this myself.  All I ask is that if someone likes this idea and follows through with it, they let me know so I can purchase some samples, lol.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Good spray bottle
« on: November 19, 2020, 06:24:31 AM »

I know about not having to pump.  It does connect with alligator clips to the battery and while my brother in law wants me to do like him and hard wire it with a switch to the atv, I just opted to buy a separate small lawnmower/motorcycle style battery which I will put on a charger periodically. 

I also like having a 15 gallon tank to work with.  I just mix up what I need 3 to 8 or 9 gallons for my purposes.  The pump maintains a nice even pressure throughout the spraying process.

You will notice inside the tank, which has a huge lid to put material in and a small threaded drain to make washing out easy, that the filter end of the pick up hose is towards one end of the tank.  I keep a piece of 2 x 4 wood under the other end of the tank to help tilt all the liquid towards the other pick up end. 

Also, for me when I first used it, the pump just seemed to keep running for a minute until I held the trigger down on the spray wand.  That helped get the material all the way up through the hose.  The pump also stops when the spray wand trigger is not held down. 

The only thing I would do differently and might change out is the spray head nozzle that I purchased afterwards has a straight nozzle.  I might buy another one with an angled nozzle to use instead as with smaller trees it will be much easier to spray up under or down from above for covering both sides of the leaves.

The one other thing I might do is follow my brother in law's additional suggestion and fabricate a bar with pvc and nozzles a little wider than my carryall and get quick disconnects.  Then I can also use the tank and sprayer for fertilizer for my yard as well.  Just set it up so the bar is removable when not in use with a couple of spring clips.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Good spray bottle
« on: November 18, 2020, 03:57:56 PM »
johnnym33315, I purchased mine from a a chain called Rural King up in Zephyrhills.  It is a Country Way 15 gallon tank with a 1 GPM Everflo pump for $59.99.  The sprayer on mine was not the best as it leaked at the crimped fitting and I cut the crimped fitting off and used a better clamp temporarily.  Then I upgraded to a Valley Industries spray gun off of Amazon for an additional $23 and that pretty much made a huge difference.  Years ago I had some experience with Everflo pumps and was very happy so this is now a pretty complete system for me.  I went out the last night to just hit a couple of tomato plants so I went back to my old pump sprayer and I couldn't get close to the output of the new unit.  Glad I was only doing a couple of small plants.

When I happened on the Country Way unit, I had been looking for a used setup and was not finding anything new or used for under $125.  Great unit if you recognize in advance the spray wand issues.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Good spray bottle
« on: November 18, 2020, 11:31:03 AM »
I think you need something more powerful than a spray bottle.  Pump sprayers, even inexpensive ones, would probably work better at getting the product to the tree. Also I am not sure how well AzaSol will work on scale as I am not familiar with it.  If it is working for you and you just need a different sprayer, try a pump sprayer as it will force product through better.  If you don't want anything large there are also small bottles, about 16 oz or so that have a pump on the top which might be an option.  You can even regulate the spray to some degree with those. 

Also, regardless of what route you select, be sure to drain the container and run plain water through it after each use.  Many chemicals for plants tend to leave a residue within the moving parts if allowed to dry out.

For years I had been using a tank sprayer and considered a backpack sprayer. Due to my age and decreasing ability to maneuver, coupled with the number of fruit trees and other plants I continue to acquire and plant, I opted to buy a larger battery powered unit to use from the back of my carryall a couple of months ago.  One of the best changes I could have made. 

Hope this helps and best of luck with your Mango!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit Cocktail mango
« on: November 18, 2020, 06:54:53 AM »
The individual taste preferences to me are so personal, particularly when it comes to Mango varieties and other tropical fruit varieties.  That is why I like to be able to try particular varieties prior to purchasing, planting and caring for a tree.

I don't know if there is a list of growers that are willing to sell small quantities of mango varieties as they ripen locally but sure wish it would be possible to have.  I and am sure others would have no problem driving up to an hour or possibly two to be able to purchase and sample some of these varieties.  That is actually how my wife an I decided on several varieties of trees that we have.  We were fortunate enough to visit a Nursery Tree seller when mangos were in season and he was kind enough to cut some of a number of varieties that happened to be ripening at the time.  We purchased 6 trees immediately and planted them at our old home.  -- They got caught in a freeze the first year so we went back and replaced the 4 that didn't make it.  Then we sold that home, two years later just as many of those trees were beginning to fruit.  We went back to him and purchased another 5 of the same variety to plant here late last year, plus purchased 4 additional varieties.  He sold us a lot of Mango trees and we have referred a number of people to him.  Now we are hoping for our first year of actually picking our own 9 varieties and considering buying some additional varieties to plant where we are now.
No such thing as instant gratification when it comes to growing your own tropical fruit!

Many have posted about the benefits of Keyplex 350 and I did some digging and found it available through Nutrien AG which has several sites.  Some stock it and others may have to order it in.  I purchased mine through Nutrien AG located in Mulberry, FL.

Now the application and here is where I would like confirmation of my thinking.  They show application rates for commercial purposes which shows for tropical fruits at the rate of 1 to 2 quarts per acre.  In searching, I am seeing that farm application of liquid looks to be 44 gallons per acre.  1 to 2 quarts breaks down to 32 to 64 ounces per acre.  Dividing the 44 gallons into 32 and 64 ounces respectively would mean that mixing would be between .73 and 1.45 ounces per gallon of water.  Can anyone confirm that I am on the right track for this? 

They also say that the addition of 3 to 5 pounds of Urea or Potassium Nitrate per 100 gallons of water will aid leaf assimilation.  This would be 48 to 80 dry ounces per 100 gallons or, again breaking this down would be only .48 to .8 dry oz per gallon of water.

Just looking for someone with a better grasp of dumbing this down for small applicators like myself.  At my age, I can easily go into "idiot mode"  and don't want to kill a bunch of mango trees by overfertilizing.

mangokothiyan, I agree with you and, just to clarify, Truly Tropical is actually the same as what I was speaking of when I mentioned themangoplace.  I believe it is the www site for Truly Tropical.

From what I have read over my recent times here, that might be ok for the first couple of years for the young trees.  After that, however, those in the know that post here often say the established trees do better with a fertilizer that has no nitrogen.  Other micronutrients are also beneficial throughout the years from what I am reading.  If you are in Southeast FL, I suggest you check out themangoplace site as he has a specific blend for established mango trees.

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