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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help with Monroe Avocado
« on: April 21, 2015, 11:07:32 PM »
PERFECT!

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I plant wide rows of trees with the main crop in the center, then fast maturing sacrifice crops between them with mulch crops in in front and back of the main row. Here is picture looking at the mulch crops, here pigeon pea, young glyricidia and moringa. You might be able to see the small mamey on the left of the screen which is the main crop and the sugar apples behind that, which is the sacrifice crop. Eventually all but the main crop get removed.

 Moringa makes for a really good mulch plant even though it's not a legume, its biomass production is much greater than the pigeon peas. It is very tender and decomposes readily if chopped often.

Koryph - That looks amazing! I'm really excited to get some Gliricidia sepium seeds now. I haven't seen those used before. I have a bunch of moringa here too. I coppice those down as well and mulch most of it. I can only eat so much. I had a few larger trees that I eventually ripped out but the leaf cutter and carpenter bees LOVED the flowers. I had about 15 in a 4' x 8' patch but removed a few to give some space to my expanding jackfruit tree. How much room are you working with down there? That looks like the makings of a full on food forest!

We use those nitrogen fixers as well as lots of others, especially glyrcidium.  I like your ideas but personally,  I would not crowd so much stuff in.  We plant pigeon peas at least ten feet apart.  Inga is also fast growing and is used for shading cacao on organic farms in Costa Rica.  But it would be planted at about 60' spacing so that everything had lost of room.  Even though a plant is a nitrogen fixer it can still compete with your crops.
Peter

Peter - I wish I had that much room! I have done quite a bit of cover cropping with cowpeas, sunn hemp, and other stuff but I like to use the perennials and keep them cut low. If they get over crowded I just chop them down and mulch. You know you can prune them right. ;) I am sure my whole yard is WAY over planted but I started watching Richard Campbell and the Dave Wilson fruit tube videos with Tom Spellman and got a bit obsessive. Then I found some Yonemoto pdfs that someone posted on the forum and realized I can do anything. hahaha. I have a Valencia Pride that I just rebooted to about 1' to see how low I can keep that. Is this the erythrina you were talking about?
http://www.tradewindsfruit.com/content/cockspur-coral-tree.htm

I think comfrey should be mentioned as well. It isn't a nitrogen fixer but THAT HIGH QUALITY BIOMASS!!!!!!!  Wowee!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help with Monroe Avocado
« on: April 21, 2015, 05:49:01 PM »
I don't know how good straight composted manure would be. I have used a lot of composted horse manure but never a high percent in the planting hole. The main reason I was saying to build such a large mound was because it is in a wetter part of the yard. Avocados wont last long with wet feet. Especially when the Florida summer rains come every day. If you have room you could move it to a higher spot and put a jaboticaba there. :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help with Monroe Avocado
« on: April 21, 2015, 02:12:40 PM »
I just saw you said you were going to raise it up 6". I would highly recommend going a lot more than that.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help with Monroe Avocado
« on: April 21, 2015, 02:09:32 PM »
It doesn't look too bad. The marcus pumpkin still looks small enough that you could dig it out carefully with as much root mass as possible and build up a large mound. You could go like two feet high and 5 feet around. I would then mulch mulch mulch. Heavily mulched large mounds of rich soil seem to be ideal for avocados. I recently did this to my Bacon and it is one of the happiest trees in my hard. All of the old half dried dried leaves fell off and it looks great. I love the white paint. The old citrus I rehabbed look so cool like ghost trees.

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There is a compost pile in the middle of the circle that I put composting worms in but the thing you are talking about is probably the "poop tower". It is an IBC tote shell that I lined with welded wire fence and filled with horse manure. I am going to add some worms to that once it cools down. It is still cooking around 125 F in the middle.

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I have one scraggly, neglected pigeon pea that I use for pretty much cut and drop fertilizer/"mulch".  The tree is so easy to grow, but I just don't care that much for the peas, so I usually plant them, give them to Caribbean friends, or just cut and drop. 

I am also looking for a good nitrogen fixer for a banana patch/mat....tried beans last year but they kind of took over the bananas, and created a tangled mess.

I just planted about 20 pigeon peas around my entire banana circle today. I'll see how this works. I had sweet potatoes growing along the base of the banana circle but they were a pain to harvest and I ripped them all out a while ago. You can see the little circles all around the outside of the circle where I just planted the pigeon peas. I have had great production with the banana circle method. LOTS of horse manure and I threw a bunch of red wigglers in the middle about 2 months ago after the manure cooled down to make an in ground worm bin.

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Young Inga edulis in the middle of my dragon fruit trellis.


More established ice cream bean freshly pruned, about 17 months old.


Coppiced pigeon pea probably 14 months old next to established Hamlin orange.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Pigeon pea/ice cream bean/nitrogen fixers
« on: April 21, 2015, 12:43:00 PM »
Does anyone use pigeon pea or ice cream beans as a support species? I have been using them for chop and drop mulch for nutrient cycling, fast carbon pathways, and nitrogen fixation. Have about 10 moderately mature pigeon peas I chop back to about 18 inches and one larger ice cream bean I chopped back to 4 feet (I want to get some fruit off of that one). I have about 8 other ice cream beans about 6 months old and just planted out about 50 more pigeon peas today. This is in a small residential yard but I figured the density would be fine since I keep everything coppiced. Everything else is under 2 years old except the 4 citrus trees and a couple of palms that were already established so there is plenty of sun. This seems to be working well so far. I am working on establishing sunshine mimosa and perennial peanut across the entire garden. Does anyone on here use similar permaculture type methods? Any advice, pictures, or observations?

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Growing great here in central florida, i have most of them in full sun no burning so im guessing its the really dank soil i have them in that stays pretty moist but has good drainage, about 5.7-6.1 PH with every trace mineral, mushroom, microbes and their cousins. most germinated in a week or two but a few took a month to almost 3 months. The oldest is about 6 months old.






Nice! I like your style. Good to know the little guys are taking full sun close by.

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I have spotted new roots starting out of my avocado trunks. Does anyone else have experience with other types of fruit trees that you can mulch the trunk? Here are some perennial peanut shots I just took. I'm trying to establish this everywhere there is not grass which is only the front yard. I have a few sparse patches of the sunshine mimosa too. ECHO has a really cool lychee area completely covered in perennial peanut. I wish I snapped a picture.

Old Valencia orange coming back to life with some collards and kale


Some dragon fruit growing on my muscadine trellis. Same area.

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You could put cardboard down and then mulch heavily on top of that. The worms LOVE it. I mulch everything very heavily and pull the mulch back just about an inch or two from the trunk. I keep mulch on my avocado about an inch thick directly on the trunk. Steve from Fruitscapes explained that the roots will grow out of the trunk and your mound will continue to grow slowly but that is for avocado. I try to mulch 6 to 8 inches deep away from the trunk though. All of my citrus have little to no mulch and I am using perennial peanut as a ground cover. Once it gets established it is pretty nice and thick with few weeds. I am now putting that over my entire yard planting area and letting it grow through my mulch. It is also a nitrogen fixer. I have also used sunshine mimosa but that takes longer to fill in. It is also a nitrogen fixer and has really neat pink puffball flowers. This works well for me because I am deed restricted and there is supposed to be a certain percentage of my lot with turf and the sunshine mimosa and perennial peanut are Florida friendly plants and by law I could replace my lawn with those. Grass in the front, ultra pruned high density fruit trees and vegetables on the side and back. :) No formal complaints yet.

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I just planted mine out yesterday. I gave it a sort of organic royal treatment. Lots of AACT activated biochar, greensand, azomite, lava sand, extra wormy worm castings, food scraps deep down, a little fish and seaweed emulsion, and mycorrhizae on the roots. You can see I like HEAVY layers of mulch. I bought this little guy from Flying Fox about 6 weeks ago and I left it out in full sun when I got home and it got some leaf burn. It is planted in full sun zone 9B in Sarasota, FL about 8 miles inland from the bay. If it is still struggling after it settles in I will try dropping the pH a bit. I'll post some progress photos later.

You need some shade cloth asap. Was probably growing in a more filtered sunlight environment prior (in a greenhouse/hoop house).
Yeah, it definitely came straight out of the hoop house. It has already been blasted by direct full sun for six weeks so I figured the damage was done. It looks pretty happy besides the brown edges. If they brown up some more I'll put some shade cloth out. I wanted to test a full sun planting with a little plant but I should have hardened it off right away. It seems like the larger plants like full sun but many people keep these somewhat shaded.

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I just planted mine out yesterday. I gave it a sort of organic royal treatment. Lots of AACT activated biochar, greensand, azomite, lava sand, extra wormy worm castings, food scraps deep down, a little fish and seaweed emulsion, and mycorrhizae on the roots. You can see I like HEAVY layers of mulch. I bought this little guy from Flying Fox about 6 weeks ago and I left it out in full sun when I got home and it got some leaf burn. It is planted in full sun zone 9B in Sarasota, FL about 8 miles inland from the bay. If it is still struggling after it settles in I will try dropping the pH a bit. I'll post some progress photos later.







890
I'll take one of each please. Be right there.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Video: How to prune Jaboticaba trees
« on: March 16, 2015, 02:14:56 PM »
Very nice! Do you recommend waiting until fruiting size to open up the trunk?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Staking
« on: March 07, 2015, 08:01:24 PM »
These links are fantastic. I do a ton of espalier at the moment and I am about to hack a couple of my mangoes WAY back. Everything is 20 months in ground or younger so they wont be too shocked. I am cramming way too many plants into the backyard of a residential lot. I even have a tiny ns1 jackfruit I am zone pushing against the south wall of the house. It will look so cool if it ends up fruiting. Great inspiration! Thank you.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedless avocado variety
« on: February 17, 2015, 11:24:36 AM »
That's it! I just contacted my friend and he found them in Peru. A quick google search brought this up.
https://traveltipsperu.com/1069/single-serving-avocado/
I wonder if you could force improper pollination by bagging the flowers. Thanks guys.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Seedless avocado variety
« on: February 16, 2015, 01:23:31 PM »
I had a friend tell me about a seedless avocado variety he was eating when he was somewhere in Central or South America. I've heard it mentioned in somewhere else as well. Does anyone know the name or have tried to fruit it? I figured if anyone knew it would be this forum. Thanks!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Florida Rambutan project (FGM)
« on: February 16, 2015, 01:08:02 PM »
Where did you find your grafted trees? I love experimenting with things. I want to attempt fruiting in a container as well. I will be following this closely. Best of luck!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Passionfruit Trellis Ideas
« on: February 16, 2015, 12:25:45 PM »
I'm afraid to put them in the ground.  Read too many horror stories of difficult erradication.

I have a neighbor that grows a non fruiting variety that shoots up runners everywhere. I have never seen anything spread from my vines. They will run off and cover everything but I prune everything more than everyone I know.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Passionfruit Trellis Ideas
« on: February 16, 2015, 11:47:24 AM »
I stay away from the fencing or lattice. I had used welded wire fence with rebar posts and ended cutting out all of the fencing except the top. I looked really closely at a youtube video on a commercial farm in Africa and it looked like they were trimming off the tendrils so I started doing that. From what I understand pruning is key with these vines and they are a pain when they get all tangled. I am still new to this but I am expecting a ton of fruit since I was shocked the Purple Possum and Fredericks fruited so quick. I also mulch HEAVILY. I am going to experiment with air pruning pots soon. Good luck! I don't know why my pictures always end up sideways. Maybe someone could help me with that. The images are correct on my computer. Maybe because they are square? :P

This is the muscadine trellis with dragon fruit growing up the poles



That attaches to the passion fruit wire


which attaches to the espalier trellis


Simple fence post with wire for the Giant Granadilla

 
Freshly reworked and pruned rebar post with welded wire top


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YES PLEASE! I've had some excellent burns and a few with more smoke then I would like. I am building my next kiln this week. I would love your method. I am OBSESSED with biochar.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone use mason bees for pollinators?
« on: February 16, 2015, 10:59:13 AM »
I have some cut bamboo that I am going to tie together for housing. What I thought were mason bees in my yard were actually leaf cutter bees. They would nest in the ends of the bamboo I was building with in the yard. I would see them flying around holding a large piece of leaf. They really seemed to love the Moringa flowers they most. They are very large and look like bumble bees. I may have mason bees around too but I noticed the tell tale circular leaf cuts here and there.






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