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Maybe its just my low expectations.

Dinner: White Pirie. Bombay, Maha Chanok

White Pirie was excellent, syrupy sweet and delightful.

Bombay was not nearly as good, but ok.

Maha was spot on.

White Pirie wins.

I ate my first two White Piri this morning .... in - cred - i - ble!! The 3 best mangos I ate this season was Sugarloaf, Super Julie and a particularly excellent Lemon Zest. I have had many others that were excellent this season (Peach Cobbler, ST Maui, Sweet Tart, Sunrise all come to mind) but these 3 were the standouts. Now I have to add White Piri to the list. So good. Very sweet and spicy, just a little resin to balance it out. So unbelieveably good.

That is a very good deal on the Spondia purpurea

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Mono vs. Poly seed question
« on: July 15, 2019, 10:39:52 AM »
Thanks Simon, I appreciate the explanations! I figured that was going to be the case.
Will do!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango Mono vs. Poly seed question
« on: July 14, 2019, 09:52:22 PM »
Yesterday I ate my first E-4/Sugarloaf (which was absolutely amazing, one of the 3 best mangos I have eaten this season). I have read that Sugarloaf is polyembryonic so I wanted to plant the seed. I let the seed husk dry out and opened it today.

First thing to note is that seed was extremely small. About the size of a quarter and very thin. It reminded me of a 'chicken tongue' mango seed (i.e. how a Sweetheart lychee makes aborted small shriveled seeds). This is similar to the experience that Simon has had with E-4 on the mono vs. ploy thread (see here: ). And so I would have thought that this was an aborted / non-viable mango seed based on the size .... except .... it already had a taproot with side roots forming and the main stem was already forming out of the seed. So this seed looks viable.

But here is the deal: there is only one embryo. It is clear as day that there are not multiple embryos that you see in a typical polyembryonic seed, which have very obvious divisions in the seed for the different embryos. Nor does there seem to be an amorphous mass of embryos without division. This is just a single (viable) tiny seed with a single tiny embryo.

So here is my question:

Assuming the E-4 is in fact a polyembryonic mango (which seems the case based on a few peoples observations) what are the chances that this small atrophied but viable seed (which clearly has only one embryo) is a clone? Do you think it is likely that this is a sexually produced embryo or is it more likely to be a cloned embryo?

I have already planted it so I am going to grow it out either way. But wanted to see what the consensus might be on this subject.

Welcome to the forum JulianoGS!

You can find a lot of information regarding the different tasting Mangos, size of trees and favorite varieties if you use the search function towards the top of the page.

Hereís a thread that talks about some of the favorites for this year

This link has favorite varieties to the last several years

This Ultimate mango list has comprehensive info regarding many different types of mangos

The information contained in the Tropical Acres website is one of the best resources out there. Alex is one of our most knowledgeable members on this forum.

Container Mangos

Last but not least, hereís what your probably looking for, compact Mango suggestions


Nicely done Simon!!  Thats a heckuva newbie resources list.

Couldn't agree more, thanks Simon!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What type of fruit tree is this?
« on: July 04, 2019, 01:05:39 AM »
I agree with xshen. I have a 3 ft wampee. It has not flowered yet, but the leaves definitely look like that.

I have been growing Pitangatuba (Eugenia neonitida) for several years and have 4 fruit producing plants. All are between 2-4 ft tall (Pitangatuba is notoriously slow growing) and my oldest shrub has been producing fruit for 3 years. I absolutely *love* the flavor. My best attempt to describe the flavor is mango-grapefruit-pineapple-peach-cherry. However the sweet / acid balance is something like 50/50. It has enough sweet to balance the flavor when you eat 1-2 of them, but not enough that you could eat a bunch of them at one time. The other drawback is that they are *very* latex-y. I often them them sit on the counter to turn from yellow to orange and it definitely helps. But once you eat a half dozen of them your lips start getting welded together. So for me for fresh eating it is more of a novelty.

All my plants (all seedlings) display the same flavor and latex characteristics. So I am wondering: has anyone done some selection on Pitangatuba to find/breed some superior cultivars?

In my mind a superior cultivar would:

1. Have the same intense tropical flavor that a normal seedling Pitangatuba would.
2. Have a more palatable sweet/acid balance (something like 67/33 would be pretty perfect)
3. Have a significantly reduced / non-perceptible latex presence

Does anybody have a plant that meets this criteria?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
« on: June 27, 2019, 01:45:42 PM »
Davie vs. coastal zone.  It may largely be about location and soil with this variety.

I definitely think this is the case. I have been ordering mangos from FL for years now. And I will usually get some Angies. Sometimes they are good and occassionally very good. but often they are average/forgettable. Also several years ago I got several boxes of Alphonso mangos from Devgad over several weeks from mangozz. These were the most exquisite mangos I have ever had. So I been trying to recapture that eating experience (Angie is in the Alphonso flavor category).

I have an Angie tree in my yard, and last year it produced one mango.... and it was *exceptional*. It is so good that it would give a Devgad Alphonso a run for its money. I don't know if it is just our insane heat or what but it really brought out the best in this tree.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dwarf mangoes for growing in pots
« on: June 25, 2019, 09:32:02 AM »
I have first hand experience with the following varieties that are reasonably slow growers:
- Julie (ex. slow, mine died because it could not handle our heat. One of the few mangos that have ever died on me in our summer)
- Pina Colada (very slow)
- Ice Cream (slow)
- Alampur Baneshan (slow)
- Amrapali (slow)
- Pickering (med. slow. Relatively slow grower but faster than the others)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dwarf mangoes for growing in pots
« on: June 25, 2019, 09:27:52 AM »
I have an Ice Cream in a 40 gallon pot. I planted it in 2017. It has put on a couple of growth sets since I have had it (very slow grower) and is maybe only 6 ft tall. But I will get probably a dozen mangos off it this year.

Awesome Joe, congrats on such great success rate with these!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
« on: June 17, 2019, 04:08:20 PM »
So Cal Update:

my graft of No Mai Tze is growing very well, it appears to be aggressive grower, and it holds fruits very well. Although my grafts are young, I am very happy to report that this variety may be better suited for So Cal. I have it on both longan and hakip rootstocks.

No Mai Tsze is a slow grower, even in China. The mature trees are only 1/3 to 2/3 the size of other varieties. My NMT air layer is growing agonizingly slow. Behl, you might be onto something grafting it onto Longan if you are getting vigorous growth. Please post a picture of the fruit once it matures. The fruit has a distinct look to it. Itís kind of pebbly skinned.


will do Simon. grafts on Halkip lychee rootstock are slower in growth, while on longan are matching pace with sweet heart. it will b interesting to see how they perform going forward. Source of these wood was hawaii USDA so chances of it being real are quite high.

Behl, which accession id for the No Mai Tsze did you get from Hawaii? Looks like they have several (HLIT # 19, 20, 23, 59 and 85)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
« on: June 17, 2019, 01:45:25 PM »
So Cal Update:

my graft of No Mai Tze is growing very well, it appears to be aggressive grower, and it holds fruits very well. Although my grafts are young, I am very happy to report that this variety may be better suited for So Cal. I have it on both longan and hakip rootstocks.

Awesome Behl, thanks for the update!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Reviews
« on: June 06, 2019, 01:20:49 PM »
Just ate my first mango for 2019.

I got a box from Alex (Tropical Acres, I buy several boxes from him every year and am always so happy I get to try such awesome high-quality mangos) with a nice variety of mangos.

The first one that was ripe was Phillipine

Honestly, I wasn't expecting much. Very small and the color and shape look like Atalufo, which are tasteless, only sweet (pretty insipid). But I was wonderfully surprised! It did have an Indochinese flavor profile. Nothing as intense as Sweet Tart (which is one of my favorites), but a very pleasant tangy citrus to go with the mango sweetness.

Agreed with everything lavender said

  Sugar cane is very shy in fruit yield unless you have other variety to cross pollinate. I suggest you to honey jar instead, for the fruit size is similar and a bit juicier. To me honey jar is a bit superior then sugar cane.

(nods head in complete agreement)

That is awesome, congrats!

Thanks Mark! Can you spare me some Tainung #2 seeds when you have them? I can't find Tainung anywhere.

Anyway, I bought a Broadleaf Papaya from Wellsprings... didn't know it doesn't like the afternoon sun unlike the Brazilian and Mexican papayas. I will protect it against afternoon sun. I was wondering if the Broadleaf papaya is the same as Tainung...

Actually my Tainungs don't produce seeds. They are female only (not hermaphrodites) and I don't have any male papayas in the yard, so no seeds. However I might have a few seeds leftover from AlohaSeed. I will check my seed drawer.

I don't think broadleaf is the same as Tainung #2. I had two broadleaf plants that didn't really like our summer and died in the winter. Tainung #2 on the other hand has a different leaf shape and takes *FULL* AZ summer sun (120+ F ).

That is awesome, congrats!


No problem. I will be happy to share some cuttings with you. It will probably be next year. I want to let them get established this year.

Here they are right now (about 1 ft tall).

Here is the trunk. Has a very cool striated bark (very un-papaya-like) with this funny bulbous bottom

I have heard that Carica lanceolata is a little more cold hardy. The germination rate is very low (5-10% based on my experience) but I did not try the KNO3 trick. I have two seedlings that are about a foot tall now but I am sure the growth will pick up with the summer heat kicking in.

Some papayas make it though our 9b winters fine (I have 2x 15+ ft tall Tainung #2 and a 6 ft tall Solo) that have been thriving in my yard for a few years. I have fruited Tainung #2 (lots of fruits from both plants). Solo has not fruited yet. I was able to keep TR Hovey alive for almost two years, but it succumbed this last winter which was the worst one in many years for us. However, the fruit is pretty crappy so I am not bothering to replace it. Red Lady, Dwarf Vietnamese and Red Maradol have all been losers for me. Not been able to get them through a full year.

So I gave the C. lanceolata a shot. Fruit is supposed to be variegated, which would be a cool bonus :)

Citrus General Discussion / Re: A few days in hell.
« on: May 27, 2019, 06:25:49 PM »
Same as JJROSS,

I used to live in middle TN. Where we would get 95+ F at >90% humidity. My friend from New York described it as "trying to breathe though cheesecake"

Even though in AZ we get 120 F days, I much prefer our climate here in AZ in the middle of summer than back east.

Sorry man, I know the feeling

I have a small Ugly Betty Tree (like 3 ft tall) that I have had for over a year now. It flowered like crazy this spring and set half a dozen fruits. I let them get to grape size and then culled them (tree is too small to hold fruits anyway). But in our desert climate Ugly Betty seems to be a very happy camper.

**** Sorry, meant to send as a PM

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Got Macadamia Nuts?
« on: April 24, 2019, 08:14:17 PM »
Whoa, that is a beaut!! Is that Patrick's tree?

I tried and was said no to Shasta, Yosemite, and Tahoe gold varieties. only bet is to buy trees

Cool, thanks behl. Yep, I agree.

Problem is that none of the AZ nurseries (that I could find at least. Sunset is the one that supplies most of the citrus around here) propagates them and any place online that has them won't ship to AZ.


Where did you find the budwood for your Shasta Gold?

I have been reading about it and based on descriptions you have posted on TFF and others comments on other forums it sounds like one that I want to try.

UCR has it in their collection:

However, the don't offer it on the CCPP budwood order page. If I search the page for 'Shasta' or 'tde2' or '490' (the UCR VI for Shasta Gold is 490) it is not listed as something I can order budwood from.

I have seen a few nurseries online that sell the trees, but they don't ship to AZ.

CCPP just updated their website.  I think this is the old form:

If you look at the (*) it appears you need a license agreement for the TDE budwood. I don't know how that works but perhaps shoot them an email.


Thanks. Yeah I noticed they update the CCPP ordering site between last month and this month.
Ahhhh, that makes sense. I did not know that Shasta Gold was a patented and/or licensed variety. So I bet that I (home grower) can't get access to it through their repository.

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