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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Madness! ! Jabuticabas !!
« on: August 30, 2018, 09:25:15 AM »
Those are beautiful! But there are no prices. Do you mean to post on Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell, Trade or was this supposed to go on Tropical Fruit Discussion?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Where to Buy MangoSeeds in US?
« on: August 24, 2018, 01:37:50 PM »
Not legal or likely for Sidd and other Californian's.
Ohh, right. Didn't think about that.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Where to Buy MangoSeeds in US?
« on: August 24, 2018, 10:19:26 AM »
order primo mangoes from forum members, eat them, and then plant the seeds. Better than just buying seeds.

Yep! I have been doing exactly this.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Indian Spice Mangos
« on: August 24, 2018, 10:03:12 AM »
Getting back to original question,  have you tried ST Maui ?  the ones I tried had that spiciness, to them but not overwhelming.  firm flesh, 

I have not, but I have heard very good things from many people. So I will definitely seek that one out. Thanks!

regarding fiber in mangoes,  I have noticed lots of variation due to cultural practices in some varieties,  such as Keitt.  have had some that were virtually fiberless, and others that have had moderate fiber.    I suspect Nitrogen being a factor.

Ahhhh!!!!! This is making sense now. As I mentioned above, this was basically a 'rescue' tree in 2016: http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=29254.msg330995#msg330995 Trunk was sunburned and cracked with several dead branches. So I was nursing it back in 2017 and did give in a fair amount of nitrogen to get it to start to grow vegetatively again. And it recovered nicely.

But with the nitrogen still in the soil, it must have given the fruit fibers it would not normally have. That is a great observation! This makes sense and I think is the factor here. Besides your observation, I can make two of my own:

1. If citrus is given too much nitrogen you get a much thicker skin/pith (which is basically fiber) than you would otherwise. This happens in AZ in young citrus trees when you fertilize to establish them. They grow out of it when they have acclimated to the environment.

2. All my other mangos that I have not been fertilizing as heavily were essentially fiberless. Especially the varities that I grow that you expect no fiber in: Carrie, Angie and Alphonso in particular.

This was a great discussion, thank you all for making these observations about my Sunrise!


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Indian Spice Mangos
« on: August 23, 2018, 08:13:55 PM »
Could they have been harvested too soon?  That green is really dark, an unripe green color.  I have seen better quality with a much more advanced yellow color turn. Maybe even weather conditions playing a role.

Maybe? But when they get the yellow specs on the skin like Jeff was observing (and they yield to gentle pressure when they are at that stage while hanging on the tree) and I pick them, they are ready to eat in 1-2 days. So they seem pretty close to tree ripe.

Most of the ones I picked were like that. I was experimenting with picking them mature green but without the yellow specs and they take 5-7 days to ripen on the counter that way.

The flavor is similar in both cases, but I think that taste a little better / fuller when they are at the yellow spec stage.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Indian Spice Mangos
« on: August 23, 2018, 08:02:20 PM »
OK. I'm not sure what leads to the fiber. Finding fiber near the seed is not abnormal for sunrise if memory serves.

Your description of flavor sounds like sunrise.

In your picture of 3 mangoes above, the one on the bottom left corner looks most like sunrise -- those little yellow specs, the slanted nose and the stem attachment are typical. The green / yellow color is also typical when the fruit is in the shade. Size is off though.

Thanks for the thoughts Jeff!

Yeah, this was the first year that I got a crop off this tree (bought as a neglected and sunburned 25 gallon in 2016, nursed it back in 2017, happy in 2018). I got about 2 dozen mangos this summer.

This summer in AZ was particularly brutal. I have been keeping daily temperature measurements in my yard for 5 years and this summer was the worst. I am wondering if the fiber is a defense mechanism? Or maybe heat stress induced => smaller size, less flesh for the same amount of fiber?

But what is weird is that summer I also got mangos off my Pickering, Carrie, Angie, Juicy Peach, Sweet Tart and Alphonso that were not fibrous at all. Very strange.

At any rate, I just ordered some Sunrise budwood from Alex. I will graft to this tree and so that I can compare mangos from the graft and from the main tree side-by-side to confirm this tree is Sunrise or something different.

Yeah, it is very stringy near the skin. it is very noticeable and makes it hard to scoop a bite if you cut off the cheek, because of those fibers. (unlike scooping bites from fiberless mangos like carrie or angie or edward which are easy to scoop out because of the lack of fiber).

Again, this isn't a crazy amount of fiber, but certainly not what I would call fiberless.

Yeah, most of the mangos grew in the shade of the tree. A couple grew in the sun and got orange on the faces that saw the sun.

I am wondering if the size is off because the tree is still relatively small. It is maybe 8ft x 6ft. I did notice a lot of size variation in the mangos too. My Carrie tree is also small and the Carries I got off it are about 1/2-3/4 the size of the ones from Florida. I am wondering though if that might be a heat stress issue too. We did get up to about 120 F a couple of times this summer in both June and July. Which is hot even for here. A couple of 115 F days in June is more typical and we just got walloped with the heat extremes + heat duration this summer.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Indian Spice Mangos
« on: August 23, 2018, 04:29:56 PM »
Thanks for the thoughts Jeff!

Yeah, this was the first year that I got a crop off this tree (bought as a neglected and sunburned 25 gallon in 2016, nursed it back in 2017, happy in 2018). I got about 2 dozen mangos this summer.

This summer in AZ was particularly brutal. I have been keeping daily temperature measurements in my yard for 5 years and this summer was the worst. I am wondering if the fiber is a defense mechanism? Or maybe heat stress induced => smaller size, less flesh for the same amount of fiber?

But what is weird is that summer I also got mangos off my Pickering, Carrie, Angie, Juicy Peach, Sweet Tart and Alphonso that were not fibrous at all. Very strange.

At any rate, I just ordered some Sunrise budwood from Alex. I will graft to this tree and so that I can compare mangos from the graft and from the main tree side-by-side to confirm this tree is Sunrise or something different.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Indian Spice Mangos
« on: August 23, 2018, 02:32:56 PM »
is it a mallika?  looks like my mallika.

I have had tasted mallika from different sources. This one definitely doesn't taste like mallika. Mallika is rich and smooth textured (kind of like how Edward is rich and smooth textured) but with a citrusy-spicy flavor. This mango has some of those flavors but the spiciness and the piney-ness is not like Mallika and the texture is definitely not like Mallika.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ensete superbum / Cliff Banana
« on: August 23, 2018, 02:28:16 PM »
Yes, The fruit is edible, quite sweet, but too many seeds. I am growing two, but they have not fruited.

Thanks for the feedback!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Achachairu Growing Information Please
« on: August 22, 2018, 11:09:30 PM »
I know I'm changing the subject, but what about growing an Igna edilus?  I had several and most just died.  I have some in my room on a heat pad and they seem like they're trying to grow, but not all that well.  It says zones 9-11 on the internet, but I'm afraid to take them outside.  Any ideas?

Thread jacking your own thread? Bold move sir! ... :)

I have had no problem spouting Inga (edulis, spectabilis, feuielli, vera). Direct sow into ground or pots in summer and they grow like crazy. My problem is keeping them alive through the winter. I have had several (including a 5 ft spectabilis seedling) die from my 9b winter.

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I am so sorry you all are having to go through this. Please stay safe.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Indian Spice Mangos
« on: August 21, 2018, 01:09:44 PM »
Alex and Jeff, thanks for the info!

Well!!! Looks like I have a mislabeled tree tree then. The fruit is great, even if it isn't a Sunrise. Now the next question is, what is it?

The seeds are monoembryonic. Here are some pics of the fruit:





Here are some pics of the tree: http://desertvalleyorchard.blogspot.com/p/sunrise-mango.html

Do you guys have any guess to what the tree is?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Ensete superbum / Cliff Banana
« on: August 21, 2018, 12:31:15 PM »
I have been looking for info on this species, particularly if the fruit is edible. I did some google searches for both 'cliff banana' and 'ensete superbum' and did not find much info regarding edibility. Once site did note that some cultures did grow it for its roots (which are edible) and the fruit is not. But I would like some confirmation of this.

Is anybody growing Ensete superbum and have got it to fruit? Is the fruit edible?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Indian Spice Mangos
« on: August 21, 2018, 11:43:19 AM »
I have been eating a bunch of Sunrise mangos off my tree this summer. The flavor is really incredible: rich, citrusy, spicy, some turpenes (but not knock you over the head). Very aromatic. The only down sides to these mangos (neither of which I mind) is they are small-ish and they have a fair amount of fiber. Not turpentine level fiber, but you certainly couldn't call it fiberless or near-fiberless.

But the flavor is making me very happy.

I have had other mangos in the past that have some of these flavor characteristics, particularly the spicy flavors:
- Kesar
- Bombay
- Jakarta

What are some of your favorite mangos that also fit this bill?

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Price please.

They are looking for June plum seeds, not selling them

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: FRUIT LOVERS NURSERY
« on: August 20, 2018, 01:28:08 PM »
Regarding sending partial seeds, or seeds to be shipped later:

I have positive experiences with Oscar in these situations. In 2016 I ordered some Green Sapote seeds, and he let me know they were out of stock. I really wanted them so I waited. I forgot about the issue, but Oscar didn't. When he had some stock available the next year, he shipped me the seeds.

I had a partial order filled on some other seeds (don't remember which). But a similar situation, where he filled the order when he had stock again.

He is definitely keeping track of this.

And I did another order this year where he had Duku Langsat seeds available on his site and I placed and order. He was out of that stock when the order was filled, and left me a note. I have no doubt he will fill the order again when he gets stock.

I am of the mindset that I will get the seeds (which are rare and perishable) when they are available. And if it is a partial order to be filled later, that's fine by me. But he has always let me know the situation via hand-written note or email, and he has always offered a refund in those cases. Can't really ask for much more than that.

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ATTENTION TO ALL PARTIES INVOLVED

- Paulish: You felt like you were being ignored because of a lack of communication from seedpirates when you tried to contact them privately regarding this issue. So you posted here. But instead of bringing this up in one post publicly you posted the same message / warning in several posts. This is spamming and it is clearly against the forum rules. I edited many of the repeated posts. I am giving you a warning that spamming won't be tolerated.

- Seedpirates (nimfa and zoli): A little communication goes a long way. If there is an issue a buyer is trying to contact you about, please respond to them and work through it. Buyers who are ignored feel like they have no recourse other than to discuss the issue publicly.

- nimfa: Thank you for your explanation above at 5:04 am. It was very detailed and thoughtful explanation.

I ENCOURAGE ALL PARTIES TO CONTINUE TO DISCUSS / RESOLVE THIS ISSUE PRIVATELY

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: #Kerala floods 2018
« on: August 19, 2018, 12:22:26 PM »
ajeshcool, I am so sorry you are going through this. One of my friends is from India and she started a gofundme page to help.

https://www.gofundme.com/kerala-flood-lending-a-hand

 

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I think there is a rule in this forum against spamming.

There is, it was rectified.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Long term cold hardy citrus breeding project
« on: August 17, 2018, 07:04:46 PM »
Last year I obtained around  400 hybrid seedlings of 5star citrumelo crossed to Morton citrange and Batumi citrumelo. After selection for the absence of poncirus taste of leaves. I have around 50 plants of each cross growing in the ground.
Now I need a good cold winter  ;D to see to what extent cold hardiness  and nasty poncirus aftertaste are linked.

Wow, that is an ambitious project and a lot work! I hope some of those pan out for you!

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Dragonfruit Cuttings
« on: August 16, 2018, 05:27:35 PM »
Thanks Brad!

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB: Florida Avocado Seeds
« on: August 16, 2018, 01:34:12 PM »
Does anybody have any seeds from this years avocado harvest?

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That is simply an incredible phoenix story. Congrats Mark!

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That's cool!

It is also cool that the genus Elaeagnus fixes nitrogen via a completely different set of bacteria than legumes. I like growing both in my yard as nitrogen-fixers (and for the different foods they provide). Maybe I should add 'slime corn' to my yard too :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Black Sapote Propogation by Cuttings
« on: August 12, 2018, 02:47:13 PM »
That is a really cool discovery. Please keep us updated on your experiment, I would love to see how it turns out!

I did a quick search on rooting Diospyros ( https://www.google.com/search?q=rooting+diospyros ), and was surprised to see that this is something that is done. So it looks like you are onto something!

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