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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Elaeagnus latifolia Seeds
« on: March 24, 2018, 11:14:49 PM »
Thank you for the PM. However, my reason for the comment is that I am pointing out the rules of this forum: All sales posts must include the price.

Please modify the original post to include the price.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Elaeagnus latifolia
« on: March 24, 2018, 09:05:35 AM »
Are you selling this?
Seeds or plants?
Please post the price and shipping costs if you are selling.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Tropical persimmon
« on: March 23, 2018, 10:09:07 AM »

Maybe the persimmon like lychee, need only 200 chill hours...

I agree with this one. My chill hours vary greatly from year to year (200 to 650 hours, avg. 400 hours) and even in the low chill hour years my persimmon tree (which is grafted with a bunch of different varieties) always flowers.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Vanilla Beans for SALE!!
« on: March 21, 2018, 10:00:26 AM »
Thank you for the PM, however you must post prices and shipping costs in the listing for all to see or the listing will be removed.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Vanilla Beans for SALE!!
« on: March 20, 2018, 09:48:58 AM »
Please post prices and shipping costs

I would like to order 2 rolls of perforated. Thanks behl!

Please add the prices and the shipping costs

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
« on: March 05, 2018, 04:46:28 PM »
Totally agree. I ate a bunch of Maha's last year. Many from Florida and some off my own tree. Very aromatic, sweet and tart (not as pronounced as Sweet Tart) are the primary flavors and the secondary flavor is very nuanced almost floral. Very well balanced (not too much of any one flavor characteristic) but certainly not bland.

It is interesting to hear people talk about its lack of precociousness. I grafted my Maha scion onto Manila in 2016. It flowered and fruited for me in 2017, and is flowering right now for (hopefully) another crop in 2018.

:D It's only mild when eaten at the wrong stage. I don't like mild mangoes myself. It took me several tastings before I found the sweet spot.

I think a lot of folks pan certain mangoes because they're eating them at the wrong stage. For example, I hear a lot of folks claiming that the nam doc mai is bland (just pure sweet). However, that's only true if eaten when fully yellow. If eaten at an earlier stage, it's actually an incredible mix of sweet and tart.

Maha Chanok tastes a lot like sweet tart when eaten at the right stage.

Carrie is another one that is compost fodder when eaten at the wrong stage, but quite delicious when eaten slightly green.

Drawbacks? Yes.  It does not taste as good as a number of the new Zill varieties.

100% in agreement, we know taste is subjective. if someone likes mild mango this would be great for them. I like super sweet or super complex or both. Mild mangoes are not for me or my wife.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sir Prize Avocados from Mexico?
« on: March 05, 2018, 09:33:21 AM »
Nice Frank! Fruit and tree are gorgeous!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Don't throw away those passionfruit leaves!
« on: February 20, 2018, 09:51:40 AM »
Cool, thanks Karen!

Like Oscar mentions, I make a tea from my loquat leaves. It is mild but very pleasant.
I also occasionally make a tea from fig leaves too.

But, my big P. edulis vine grows like crazy and I just end up composting the trimmings when it gets too out of hand. I will be trying some tea instead! The caterpillars will just have to share :)

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Dream Annona Scions for sale
« on: February 20, 2018, 09:45:30 AM »
Hey Josh, just sent a payment!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Least Colorful Mangos
« on: February 16, 2018, 10:36:38 AM »
I did a quick search and didn't find quite what I was looking for. Is there a list of mangos with the least color (ones that are still green skinned when mature).

In lieu of a list already existing, maybe users can rattle off which ones fit this criteria.

This thread is starting to derail. I am not picking on anyone in particular. The tone has changed from a discussion on the merits of ideas into something more adversarial.

Please keep it on topic or I will lock it.


I bought Pitomba seeds from you last year, and almost all sprouted. They look great and healthy (but as expected by their reputation, are slow growing). Thanks for offering more of your seeds!

Moderators do not have the capability to modify the structure of the forum (e.g. cannot add or remove subforums). This request would have to be implemented by the administrators.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Define "dappled shade"...
« on: January 18, 2018, 05:33:57 PM »
In my mind: dappled shade = filtered sunlight is a good equivalent. In my yard I have a bunch of moringa trees to create microclimate. They grow super fast (12-15 ft per year in my climate) and love the AZ summer heat. So they are fast growing trees to shade younger trees. But the canopy is not incredibly dense. So as such, everything underneath gets a little sun at noon and throughout. Not the full AZ noon sun, but "dappled shade". Most everything that is typically full sun sensitive seems to like these conditions.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / starch mango
« on: January 09, 2018, 04:52:09 PM »
I have just learned that there is a mango variety called starch. A quick google search tells me it is a favored mango from Trinidad.

Based on the name, I am very intrigued :)

Can anybody describe the flavor and characteristics of the fruit?

Any available?

They spit out a large taproot that becomes tuberous and stores energy. There is very little lateral feeder root branching early on. Sometimes they will shoot and die back but leave the roots alone. They will shoot up another sprout eventually. This whole process takes months. I would keep some sort of humidity tent over it and keep it out of full sun when small. I have had good luck with Trade Winds Junglesop seeds in the past. I just planted three more that looked decently fresh and ordered 4 more that haven't got here yet.

Hey Josh, I ordered some last week as well. Do you do a GA3 soak with these to pre-germinate, or do you plant them directly as-is?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: HLB Getting Worse in California
« on: December 21, 2017, 04:36:09 PM »
Right. It could still help if maybe 1 in 1000 psyllids carry HLB. If you can eliminate half of that population (via predators or pesticides), you have a good chance of removing the 1 that's critical. That's why they remove all the infected trees, to reduce the amount of HLB available for the psyllids to spread.

Since predators only respond to the prey's population, there's always going to be casualties if nearly all the psyllids carry HLB, which is not the case yet. Predators can't have a large population if there's no prey to feed on. Predators either leave or die off.

Hey Fang, thanks. That is helping to articulate what I was getting at. No one really knows the proportion of psyllids that carry HLB. Certainly not all do. And the density of those that do will certainly vary from area to area.

I am not suggesting that this is the only line of defense that is needed. But it will certainly help, and most definitely won't hurt. This is a systemic problem and this would be part of a family of solutions.

Regarding to predators leaving if there is no prey: That is true. However, most of the predators listed in the link that I posted feed on many types of pests, not just psyllids. So establishing those plants to attract the predators now means they will be around feeding on other pests and will eat psyllids if/when they show up in your yard. Not a complete solution I know, but anything to help knock down the population from spreading is ultimately a good thing.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: HLB Getting Worse in California
« on: December 21, 2017, 03:12:33 PM »
I too have my doubts about predators helping prevent your trees from becoming infected, though if implemented on a wide scale they may help reduce the spread of HLB.  The simple fact is by the time infected ACP show up on your property the chances of the predators getting all of them before any of them feed on your citrus trees is very low.  Think of it a bit like the old video game Missile Attack, it only takes one getting through.

Agreed, but I think you guys are missing my point

There is HLB in CA. There are psyllids in CA. Psyllids can carry HLB.


The HLB problem is not as widespread in CA (yet) as it is in FL.

So as a pre-emptive action, people should establish psyllid predator-friendly plants now to encourage those populations to establish in your yards *before* the psyllid (which likely carry HLB) starts to find your trees.

This is my advice to all people who have citrus but have not become victim of a psyllid infestation yet.

But it is also good advice for infested homes as well because it will keep down the population of psyllids which means the numbers will be lower and will spread less quickly to non-infested areas.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Long term cold hardy citrus breeding project
« on: December 21, 2017, 12:00:24 PM »

This is an ambitious and exciting project. Thank you for sharing it with us!

I have family in Middle Tennessee (Zone 7a) and they all love citrus. And years ago I used to ship them citrus that I grew on my trees. But now with the psyllid and the quarantine on citrus, I can't send them citrus from my yard in AZ anymore. But I would love for them to be able to grow some of their own citrus.

I have one family member in TN who is a little more enthusiastic about growing plants and I think he would be very interested in being part of your trial process.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: HLB Getting Worse in California
« on: December 21, 2017, 09:25:01 AM »
Having bugs that eat psillids doesn't help your trees; one bite from an infected psillid (assume they're all infected), and your tree(s) is doomed.

My point is that if you establish a predator colony in your yard before your trees are infected, then the predators serve to help to prevent your trees becoming infected in the first place.

The best way to not have a disease isn't curing it, it is to not get it in the first place

Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: fig cuttings
« on: December 20, 2017, 04:31:25 PM »
I moved this post to Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, Trade.
Figs (while one of my favorite fruits) are not Tropicals.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: HLB Getting Worse in California
« on: December 20, 2017, 10:34:41 AM »
You could introduce plants into your yard that attract predators that hunt the citrus psyllid

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