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This thread is starting to derail. I am not picking on anyone in particular. The tone has changed from a discussion on the merits of ideas into something more adversarial.

Please keep it on topic or I will lock it.


I bought Pitomba seeds from you last year, and almost all sprouted. They look great and healthy (but as expected by their reputation, are slow growing). Thanks for offering more of your seeds!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Define "dappled shade"...
« on: January 18, 2018, 05:33:57 PM »
In my mind: dappled shade = filtered sunlight is a good equivalent. In my yard I have a bunch of moringa trees to create microclimate. They grow super fast (12-15 ft per year in my climate) and love the AZ summer heat. So they are fast growing trees to shade younger trees. But the canopy is not incredibly dense. So as such, everything underneath gets a little sun at noon and throughout. Not the full AZ noon sun, but "dappled shade". Most everything that is typically full sun sensitive seems to like these conditions.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / starch mango
« on: January 09, 2018, 04:52:09 PM »
I have just learned that there is a mango variety called starch. A quick google search tells me it is a favored mango from Trinidad.

Based on the name, I am very intrigued :)

Can anybody describe the flavor and characteristics of the fruit?

Any available?

They spit out a large taproot that becomes tuberous and stores energy. There is very little lateral feeder root branching early on. Sometimes they will shoot and die back but leave the roots alone. They will shoot up another sprout eventually. This whole process takes months. I would keep some sort of humidity tent over it and keep it out of full sun when small. I have had good luck with Trade Winds Junglesop seeds in the past. I just planted three more that looked decently fresh and ordered 4 more that haven't got here yet.

Hey Josh, I ordered some last week as well. Do you do a GA3 soak with these to pre-germinate, or do you plant them directly as-is?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: HLB Getting Worse in California
« on: December 21, 2017, 04:36:09 PM »
Right. It could still help if maybe 1 in 1000 psyllids carry HLB. If you can eliminate half of that population (via predators or pesticides), you have a good chance of removing the 1 that's critical. That's why they remove all the infected trees, to reduce the amount of HLB available for the psyllids to spread.

Since predators only respond to the prey's population, there's always going to be casualties if nearly all the psyllids carry HLB, which is not the case yet. Predators can't have a large population if there's no prey to feed on. Predators either leave or die off.

Hey Fang, thanks. That is helping to articulate what I was getting at. No one really knows the proportion of psyllids that carry HLB. Certainly not all do. And the density of those that do will certainly vary from area to area.

I am not suggesting that this is the only line of defense that is needed. But it will certainly help, and most definitely won't hurt. This is a systemic problem and this would be part of a family of solutions.

Regarding to predators leaving if there is no prey: That is true. However, most of the predators listed in the link that I posted feed on many types of pests, not just psyllids. So establishing those plants to attract the predators now means they will be around feeding on other pests and will eat psyllids if/when they show up in your yard. Not a complete solution I know, but anything to help knock down the population from spreading is ultimately a good thing.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: HLB Getting Worse in California
« on: December 21, 2017, 03:12:33 PM »
I too have my doubts about predators helping prevent your trees from becoming infected, though if implemented on a wide scale they may help reduce the spread of HLB.  The simple fact is by the time infected ACP show up on your property the chances of the predators getting all of them before any of them feed on your citrus trees is very low.  Think of it a bit like the old video game Missile Attack, it only takes one getting through.

Agreed, but I think you guys are missing my point

There is HLB in CA. There are psyllids in CA. Psyllids can carry HLB.


The HLB problem is not as widespread in CA (yet) as it is in FL.

So as a pre-emptive action, people should establish psyllid predator-friendly plants now to encourage those populations to establish in your yards *before* the psyllid (which likely carry HLB) starts to find your trees.

This is my advice to all people who have citrus but have not become victim of a psyllid infestation yet.

But it is also good advice for infested homes as well because it will keep down the population of psyllids which means the numbers will be lower and will spread less quickly to non-infested areas.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Long term cold hardy citrus breeding project
« on: December 21, 2017, 12:00:24 PM »

This is an ambitious and exciting project. Thank you for sharing it with us!

I have family in Middle Tennessee (Zone 7a) and they all love citrus. And years ago I used to ship them citrus that I grew on my trees. But now with the psyllid and the quarantine on citrus, I can't send them citrus from my yard in AZ anymore. But I would love for them to be able to grow some of their own citrus.

I have one family member in TN who is a little more enthusiastic about growing plants and I think he would be very interested in being part of your trial process.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: HLB Getting Worse in California
« on: December 21, 2017, 09:25:01 AM »
Having bugs that eat psillids doesn't help your trees; one bite from an infected psillid (assume they're all infected), and your tree(s) is doomed.

My point is that if you establish a predator colony in your yard before your trees are infected, then the predators serve to help to prevent your trees becoming infected in the first place.

The best way to not have a disease isn't curing it, it is to not get it in the first place

Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: fig cuttings
« on: December 20, 2017, 04:31:25 PM »
I moved this post to Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, Trade.
Figs (while one of my favorite fruits) are not Tropicals.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: HLB Getting Worse in California
« on: December 20, 2017, 10:34:41 AM »
You could introduce plants into your yard that attract predators that hunt the citrus psyllid

Congrats Karen, that's awesome!

Oscar (fruitlovers) sells both. Send him a PM.

I would like to buy some Jackfruit seeds from red fleshed cultivars, seeds from Red Morning are ones that I would strongly be interested in.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New acquisition
« on: December 07, 2017, 09:39:12 AM »
Nice! I hope it does well for you.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB: Pierce Cherimoya Fruit
« on: December 02, 2017, 07:40:00 PM »
still searching for a source for Pierce cherimoya fruit.

Thanks for all the great info Triloba!!
I will start my search based on that criteria.

BTW: The fig that I got everybody hooked on is Marseilles Black VS (MBVS). The tree in my parents yard is doing particularly well, tons of figs for them this year and it was just a rooted cutting that I sent them in the early winter of 2016. Here is a review of MBVS that is growing in my yard:

Josh, that is an impressive mound :) Hopefully that will do the trick!

I have a lot of family that lives in Middle Tennessee (Columbia, Spring Hill and Murfreesboro) and I got them hooked onto growing figs. Now I want to get them hooked onto growing pawpaws :)

Which cultivars grow best in middle TN?

Ideally these cultivars won't need any additional irrigation once established, and will rely solely on the plentiful TN rains (need to get them hooked on minimum effort cultivars first). But needs to withstand the muggy summers. Also, ideally, they would be full sun tolerant (planted out by itself with no other trees around it). Is that even possible with pawpaws? Or will they need a nurse tree in middle TN before they get established.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Unknown Benefits Of Mangos
« on: November 22, 2017, 08:46:50 AM »
or invent an apple-mango

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB: Pierce Cherimoya Fruit
« on: November 15, 2017, 05:44:57 PM »
anyone selling pierce cherimoya fruit?

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: sweet tamarind seeds
« on: November 14, 2017, 11:46:40 AM »
You must post the sale and shipping price in all for sale posts

Do you have Pierce cherimoya, and do you ship to AZ?
If the answer is yes to both, I'm in!

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