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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« on: September 01, 2015, 10:30:19 AM »
My Neelam tree was very compact and slow-growing.  I say "was" because I just chopped it down.  It's really an awful tasting mango--absolutely the worst I've ever tasted!  It's an Indian mango, and there's a reason that it's not a well-regarded mango in India.  I don't know why anyone would want to grow it except for maybe plant breeding purposes.  My Pickering tree has behaved like a dwarf--in the ground almost 4 years and still only six feet tall.  (I love that tree!)  Angie and Mallika are both fairly compact.

Neelam makes the list, but gets immediately rejected :) Thanks for pitches for Pickering, Angie and Mallika!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« on: September 01, 2015, 09:30:04 AM »
You asked about NDM and I didn't see a response.  But I believe NDM#4 would make the list.

wslau, Thanks for the feedback, I have added it to the list!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« on: September 01, 2015, 08:39:17 AM »
Duncan needs to be added to the list also. It responds well to pruning and can be maintained  at 8 to 10 feet and is an outstanding producer.

Thanks y0rascal, it is added to the list!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« on: September 01, 2015, 08:36:52 AM »
In my yard, at least, Beverly has not been a compact grower. It has grown large, with as much vigor as any I've grown.

Thanks mangomadman, duly noted and removed from the list!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« on: August 31, 2015, 11:27:34 PM »
Some others that could be considered based in their growth habits:

Iman passand
Alampur baneshan
Neelam (if you like it)

Added to the list, thanks!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« on: August 31, 2015, 11:27:07 PM »
Coconut Cream is by no means compact. It is a vigorous grower and the jury is still out on its productivity. Pickering is the most compact of them all. Carrie has a spreading growth habit and is a good producer as well.  Julie tastes great but is not the most productive cultivar, at least in south florida.  I think one should add dwarf Hawaiian to this list. The one at Truly Tropical is a compact grower and very productive. The taste, in my opinion, is very good as well.

Thanks for the info! And I added Dwarf Hawaiian to the list above.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« on: August 31, 2015, 09:34:45 PM »
Coconut cream should not be on this list

Thanks Squam, I removed it from the list.

BTW, which criteria does it violate?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« on: August 31, 2015, 08:31:01 PM »
The Fairchild is from a hot, moist climate.  It grows great for me but I live in a hot, moist climate.  Great fruit if it fits. 

Might want to see how others near you are doing with these types in your climate 

That is a good observation about the Fairchild. I have read that the Julie does well in arid climates, so that might be a really good fit for me, especially given TnTrobbie's description. I also have seen evidence that Carrie does really well in Phoenix. Thanks!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« on: August 31, 2015, 08:05:34 PM »
Ice Cream responds nicely to tipping but its a poor producer in my yard ... Not dwarf like Julie but gets bush and erect ....

Gotcha, good to know that it doesn't fit the criteria.

BTW: The Earth laughs in flowers. And bear gifts through fruits. is an awesome signature. I really like that!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« on: August 31, 2015, 06:48:06 PM »
Would Ice Cream or Nam Doc Mai be candidates for the list?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« on: August 31, 2015, 02:18:32 PM »

Thanks, I added Rosigold to the list!


I'll have to recommend Julie. To me it fits all the qualities from a mango you're looking for. It may not be a top tier like Sweet Tart but on a normal day it's pretty darn good and yummy. No need to tip it for it to develop a "busy" shape and since you're in AZ, the drier conditions should discourage disease. My 9 yr old Julie tree is barely 8 ft tall without any height pruning. 100-150 mangoes per season for the past 4 years.

That sounds like a nearly perfect tree for this criteria. Thanks for the pitch! I definitely added it to the list above. Thanks!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Compact Mango Suggestions
« on: August 31, 2015, 01:16:40 PM »
I wanted to try to compile a list of mangoes with the following characteristics:

  • Compact / Natural 'dwarf' (i.e. does not have to be in a container to be dwarfed)
  • Bushy and/or spreading style growing habit
  • Good producer
  • Needs relatively minor pruning to keep size in check which will not adversely affect productivity
  • Quality fruit (full flavor, fiberless, etc.)

I hesitate to say good flavor / taste, because this is very subjective. But I think the aspects that make a fruit high quality are perhaps a little more objective.

After looking through the forum, here is a list that I have compiled that meets the above criteria. Please add to the list (or dispute what I have compiled based on my misunderstandings). Please note that I have no experience with these varieties, I am trying to compile this list based on the experience of others.

Cultivar list in alphabetical order (Click on Cultivar Name for a detailed description of tree characteristics from forum members observations)
- Alampur baneshan (nominated by Squam256, Mark in Texas)
- Amrapali
- Angie (nominated by Squam256, johnb51)
- Baptiste (nominated by Guanabanus)
- Carrie (nominated by mangokothiyan, many noted flavor objections, zands notes that not quite as compact, med/fast grower)
- Cogshall (nominated by Mark in Texas)
- Cotton Candy (nominated by Guanabanus)
- Duncan (nominated by y0rascal, Guanabanus)
- Dwarf Hawaiian (nominated by mangokothiyan)
- Edgar (nominated by Guanabanus)
- Fairchild (nominated by WGphil, zands, bsbullie)
- Florigon (nominated by Guanabanus)
- Honey Kiss (nominated by Guanabanus)
- Imam Passand (nominated by Squam256)
- Jehangir (nominated by Squam256)
- Julie (nominated by TnTrobbie, zands)
- Leo#2 (nominated by JF)
- Mahachanok (nominated by Guanabanus)
- Manilita (nominated by sunworshiper)
- Nam Doc Mai #4 (nominated by wslau, zands)
- Neelam (nominated by Squam256, many noted flavor objections)
- Peggy (nominated by JF)
- Pickering (nominated by mangokothiyan, johnb51, zands, Mark in Texas, JF)
- Pina Colada (nominated by zands, bsbullie)
- Providence (nominated by bsbullie)
- Rapoza (nominated by Guanabanus)
- Rosa (nominated by Guanabanus)
- Rosigold (nominated by skhan)
- Rudiett (nominated by JF)
- Son Pari (nominated by Guanabanus)
- Thomson (nominated by JF)
- Tomato (nominated by JF)
- Venus (nominated by Squam256, Guanabanus)
- Villa Seņor (nominated by JF)
- White Pari (nominated by Guanabanus)

NOT a compact mango but receives honorable mention for being easily maintained at compact mango heights:
- Mallika (?, upright vigorous grower and not compact, but easily trained. Mallika has received several honorable mentions. But also some possible detractions)

- Others (please add below in the comments)

A table of Cultivars, Ripening Time, and Flavor Notes based on the above list has been generated.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: The Official "Blueberry Tree" thread.
« on: August 30, 2015, 01:34:09 PM »

How are things! Do you think these plants might be available this fall or maybe next spring?

I was also thinking about hole preparation. How would you describe the soil where it is growing now?

My soil here is heavy clay, high pH and bad drainage (pretty much a blueberry's worst nightmare). I am planning on doing what I have done for a number of my in-ground trees which is to dig a large hole, break up the bottom, and back fill with compost / sand / wood chips and pine mulch of irregular sizes / native soil so that I have a raised mound with lower total pH and much better drainage.

I am thinking for the 'Blueberry Tree' preparation that I would add spagnum moss to the mix and go heavy on the pine mulch and keep the native soil to a much lower ratio so that the total pH of the hole is even lower. What do you think?

If you think the blueberries might be ready to go out in this fall / next spring I will go ahead and do my hole prep now.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Joey avocado budwood
« on: August 28, 2015, 12:22:54 PM »

Only have the Joey outdoors.  We hit a heat wave about 3 weeks ago and what's weird, the exposed young trunk and branches are OK.  Leaves got sunburned really bad.  BUT, and this is a big BUT, the stress is being caused by the heat. very low RH, too much of my super hard well water and no rain for at least 2 months.  It all adds up.  Haven't put it thru cold yet because I grow mostly Guat. types like Reed, Gwen, Sharwil, Oro Negro (hybrid) in a greenhouse.

Don't you guys have a nursery pushing some super duper "new" avocado that's said to be bullet proof?  Forgot the name.

Cool thanks for the info!

Yeah, the new avocado is actually a really old one. It is call the Aravaipa Avocado. The mother tree was a seedling planted in Aravaipa Canyon on a homestead out in Superior (east of Phoenix). And it has been alive since the late 1800s (reportedly)! So one of the local nurseries (Shamus O'Leary's Tropical Fruit Trees) has been grafting budwood onto rootstock (not sure what they are using for the rootstock). But it is reportedly taking the heat with very little burn damage. If I can get my hands on one I will. I am going up there in a couple of weeks and if they don't have any then, then I will try in the spring.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Joey avocado budwood
« on: August 28, 2015, 12:06:07 PM »
I would think twice about dumping that Mexicola.  Based on my initial tastes and what I've read I'd take the Mexicola over the Joey any day.

Funny but I'm starting a Joey seed with the intent to graph Mexicola or Stewart to it.  BTW, once old in age, Mexicola has taken temps down into the single digits, this passed on to me by a seasoned tropical fruit grower in Texas who witnessed it.


Speaking of both hot and cold, which of your outdoor avocados takes the heat the best (and what would you estimate the ballpark max temp to be) and which of your outdoor avocados takes the cold the best (and what would you estimate the ballpark min temp to be).

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Pomegranate Propagation Questions
« on: August 27, 2015, 08:22:50 AM »
Delvi and Lory,

Again, thank you for the feedback!

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Wanted: Florida Avocados (mail-order)
« on: August 26, 2015, 01:01:17 PM »
Does anyone on the forum ship Florida grown avocados? Essentially what I am looking for is an 'avocado of the month' club.

I had subscribed to 'Avocado Diva' for a couple of years. Her business was to go up and down the the Southern California coast to small / independent avocado ranches and get whatever was ripe at that time and ship them out. I have had the pleasure of eating some really awesome SoCal avocados: Nabal, Reed, Pinkterton, Fuerte, Nobel, (all of these are exceptional), Marvel, Lamb, Gem, MacArthur (these range from very good to okay), Bacon, Zutano, (meh) etc. But even the 'okay' ones were great because they were different. We were always eating something fun, different and seasonal. Unfortunately Avocado Diva is going out of business and so I am on the hunt for a new avocado source.

I would love to have monthly avocados again and I would like to give Florida avocados a shot (I have not had any of the FL varieties: Monroe, Dupuis, Donnie, Oro Negro, Choquette, etc.) and am always interested in trying new ones.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Pomegranate Propagation Questions
« on: August 24, 2015, 08:51:31 AM »
Delvi and Lory,

Thanks, those are both great suggestions, I will definitely give that a shot!

For this approach it seems like to the best time to try it would be spring after it is breaking dormancy when everything is starting to wake up. (Also my bush is pretty big now and it will be a lot easier to get and the roots near the center of the plant when it is not covered with fruit and leaves). What do you think?

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Pomegranate Propagation Questions
« on: August 22, 2015, 09:50:27 AM »
Right on, thanks!

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Pomegranate Propagation Questions
« on: August 21, 2015, 06:21:26 PM »
Thanks for the feedback fyliu, much appreciated!

You mention that cleft grafting works well. I will definitely give that a shot.  Do you have any advice for grafting onto a mature plant? Here is what I am thinking about doing as an experiment, please point out any flaws or things you would do differently:

- This late winter / early spring I will try to obtain a couple of scions of another pomegranate (I would like to try parfianka or angel red next)
- I will keep these in the bottom of my fridge wrapped loosely in a slightly moist paper towel inside a ziplock for grafting, I will try rooting one of the scions in coco coir (which seems good for figs, probably good for pomegranates?)
- In the spring when my wonderful starts pushing new growth I will cleft graft the remaining scions (wrapped with parafilm to prevent drying out?)
- I will trim back all lateral branches on the branch where the graft is to send the energy up to the newly grafted tip
- Will the pomegranate buds push through parafilm? Or should I cover loosely with a plastic bag to retain moisture while waiting for buds to push out?


Temperate Fruit Discussion / Pomegranate Propagation Questions
« on: August 21, 2015, 04:57:38 PM »
I have a few pomegranate propagation questions that I wanted to pose

I have been doing a little research (google searches) and I am not finding a lot of specific information on pomegranate propagation, mostly a lot of general info. Specifically, what is the best time of year for both harvesting scions / cuttings from donor plants and when the the best time to perform grafting / rooting?

1) Grafting onto a mature plant / rootstock, Grafting in this case is to perform a canopy change or to make a 'cocktail' pomegranate (does anyone do this?)

- Pomegranate grafting is done with either a cleft graft or a whip and tongue graft, does this sound right? Who has experience with this, and what are the approx success rates.
- What size scion is used (e.g. pencil thickness x 6 in" long)? Are the leaves cut on the scion as usual, do you need swelling buds?
- When can grafting be done? Any time there is active growth or do you have to wait until it is dormant? When is the best time of year for a successful graft?

2) Grafting onto a seedling. Assume that the seeds have been sown after harvest (fall) and seedling has overwintered.

- Same set of questions as above

3) Rooting cuttings

It seems like pomegranate cuttings root similarly to fig cuttings. When is the best time of year to take the cuttings from the mother plant? What is the best practice to preparing a cutting on the mother plant (remove leaves, small side branches and wait for swelling buds like with mango or avocado, or is it not sensitive to that?).

All feedback is welcome. My Wonderful pomegranate is doing wonderfully (yuk, yuk) and I would like to increase my varieties slowly and inexpensively (I don't mind experimenting too). So I am open to grafting onto my mature Wonderful pomegranate, or grafting onto seedlings, or starting new plants from cuttings. I am looking for input for the relative success I can expect from each approach.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: You can't touch this!
« on: August 21, 2015, 03:33:24 PM »
Sounds like the setup to a joke --

These peaches are so great.
How great are they?
They are so great, that ...


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Does Cold Hardy Mango exist?
« on: August 21, 2015, 10:48:49 AM »
Chaunsa as sweet as Gary (brix29) with a chalky complex taste this mango is top 10....but imagine Manohar a seedling of Chaunsa is a better overall mango

Nice! Out of curiosity (and to be on the complete opposite end of what this post is about) what is the peak summer high temperatures where this tree was grown?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Does Cold Hardy Mango exist?
« on: August 20, 2015, 11:37:36 AM »
We are maybe a year  or two away from releasing Manohar. The tree is vigorous and doing very well. On SoCal. It bloomed heavy this spring but we decided to hold off one more year before we let it fruit. We hope to propagated with chaunsa and sindhiri as a cocktail tree but first things first let's see how it fruits here.

That is wonderful news, please keep us posted! I am definitely on the 'very interested' list :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Does Cold Hardy Mango exist?
« on: August 20, 2015, 11:12:21 AM »
not sure if you had read, but i posted that Mallika has Dussehri as one of the parents.
the other parent is Neelam, which i think is also originally from  North India
I am in zone 9b also. i might buy a Mallika just to see...

I did read that. That is potentially very encouraging! I had a Mallika once, but it died in my summer. The plant was damaged in shipping so it already had an iffy shot of making it (maybe some root shock). But probably the biggest factor was my ineptitude in taking care of it. I was too eager to get it established, I really should have babied it more when I got it.

I think I will try to find some scions and give Mallika another shot, Thanks!

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