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In my yard in Brevard county: Rosigold, Keitt, Angie, Pickering, Sweet tart, Bailey's marvel has given me good crops. others that seem to fruit well for me are fruit punch and this weird edward tree. It's about 6 feet and scraggly and wants to ripen 16 fruit right now. wasn't sure I wanted it because of low productivity, but the last 3-4 years I can't get it to grow because it sets so much fruit. Not that I'm complaining...

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I will third that vote not to pug it. Vigor in mango trees is hard to come by in California. You have a pretty good looking tree there. I would get it in the ground ASAP. Wait a couple of months for it to establish, then tip prune it to create more branches. I would not cut it back and "hope" it comes back. The only caveat is if you are trying to keep it small for protection. But even then it would be risky and  I would not cut all the way down to waist high. I would leave some branches. Hope it will be a good producer for you! ;D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Looking for Pickering Mango seeds
« on: April 05, 2018, 11:52:52 AM »
If you are referring to the pickering seed being dwarf or not, maybe or maybe not. I believe the turpentine rootstock has some affect on the dwarfness of pickering. But since you are planting a new never before grown seed, who knows. ;D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango tree pruning gone wild
« on: March 27, 2018, 05:43:02 PM »
Just out of curiosity, do you have a "before assault" picture? You should not prune while the tree is setting fruit, if want any chance of it ripening. From the looks of it now, I would cut off that top portion "Y" just above where the other leafed branches originate. You should still have a nicely shaped tree. Carrie is not known for growing very tall anyway. Try to keep the center open for good airflow and sunlight entrance. Try to prune out large branches only after you harvest the fruit. Maybe start to tip your branches also to create more framework. Good choice on variety! :)

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I suppose this might be a little too technical and perhaps only commercial growers would or should know the exact ripening times, but I think this thread might be important for all you California growers of mango. What do you think, Simon_grow? and JF and others?

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So, I was thinking the other day about how long it takes for mangoes to ripen. I believe its about 100 to 150 days from flowering. And I know they ripen faster in warmer weather. But, it would be interesting to know what varieties have the shortest times and which take longest. I don't think this has been covered in another thread, and I ask because I'm going out of town from late May to July. I want to know what mangoes might ripen before I leave and which I might have when I get back. Because I'm in 9b, the cold fronts get all my mangoes to flower approximately the same time. So most have about pea size or a little bigger mangoes on them. Just curious if anyone has some ideas...

Curious about these cv's in particular: Edward, Rosigold, Angie, LZ, Sweet tart, Mallika, Bailey's marvel, Keitt, Pickering, NDM, Graham, Fruit punch, PPK, Carrie

But would be interesting to know longest and shortest. I suspect really big mangoes take the longest - Keitt, Harvest moon, lancetilla etc. Do small ones like sweet tart or choc anon, or bombay ripen sooner? Thanks!
Erik

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Hey Simon, I was referring to the horizontal gene transfer which the plants seem to be undergoing when they are inarched together as with your double rootstock experiments. One of the articles I was reading made it sound like the horizontal gene transfer ( or mixing of genes to produce a new species) was possible when grafting the two rootstocks together. But I was trying to make sure I was understanding the article correctly in my interpretation. It seems they were saying that gene mixing, asexually, is possible from the graft site of two species inarched together. So, on your DSG mango with one rootstock cut off, would the resulting material above the graft site have chromosomes from both rootstocks or just one? That goes back to my question about whether shoots coming from only the graft site are genetically mixed ( horizontal gene transfer) or if anything above the graft is then genetically manipulated. Again, I am very novice and my interpretation may be totally wrong. Just wondering as this may have implications in the future for mango hybridization, like your experiments...:) Thanks!
E.

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Ok, so I have been following along with this interesting experiment and from my understanding from the above articles, it seems that the only place there is genetic diversity is from material (shoots) arising from the graft union? Not from anything above it. Am I understanding this right?
E.

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I would graft onto those shoots on the side and I would cover both those and the bark grafts with a plastic bag. Not only to hold in condensation but to provide a little shade to the new graft area. I don't really have any experience with bark grafting, but cleft grafting or veneer grafting works well with mangoes in florida. We have very high humidity. I also would not worry too much about condensation under the parafilm for cleft or veneer. I see it a lot and the grafts do fine. Just remember to leave the grafts alone after you wrap in parafilm and maybe a rubber band around the graft too for better contact. The parafilm will split as the graft grows. I suppose I should mention that I use parafilm up the entire scion, not just the graft site. Truly Tropical on You Tube has a lot of good grafting videos for mangoes. Check it out. Good luck!
E.
 

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I've been to the Philippines about 10 times and enjoy their fruit tremendously. My favorites are Durian( which has quite large seeds but would be awsome to grow in other places), Rambutan (really sweet like lychees), star apple (caimito), Sugar apple(atemoya, Atis), Marang (sweet and creamy), mangosteen. All these have small seeds and easy to travel with. For Mango, I think there are better selections in florida or Hawaii. I did not particularly care for Lanzones. They were a pain to peel, sticky, made a mess, and mostly sour with bitter seeds in them. I like my fruits sweet! Another thing I liked were the young coconuts(Buko), but I'm sure you could not travel with them. Let us know what you are able to get!
E.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Talk in Melbourne, FL 2/28
« on: February 27, 2018, 09:10:35 AM »
Great! I'll plan to be there. Last time I went, Noris Ledesma was supposed to talk but she had gotten her days mixed up and did not show. Looking forward to it.:)
Erik

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I have fruit punch and I think it's an excellent mango! Seems very disease resistant and productive, at least so far in my yard. I did not think there was any fiber, kind of reminds me of Edward(texture and color wise) with a more fruity flavor. There is an aroma to the mango that reminds me of Graham, which I like very much. I even have FP grafted to a tree in the back yard because the main one is in the front. The other mango I would comment on is the Nam Doc Mai. I agree with previous posts that the flavor is kinda boring. Very good texture and an interesting bouquet aroma, but just mild and very sweet. Some of my Asian friends think it's the best mango ever, but I think the normal Mango snob who has tasted some variety of mangoes would typically turn them down if others are available. It does seem very productive and NDM #4 is very compact, semi dwarf. Everyone has different tastes and just for reference, my favorites are Carrie,Bombay , Edward, LZ. Not in any particular order.
I have MC, Cotton candy, and Peach Cobbler, but they are not producing yet.

On another note, my daughter bought me a Coconut cream mango a few years back from Top Tropicals and I was very happy with the tree.

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Now, best tasting on that list would definitely be the Edward.

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I agree with Squam, Van Dyke is the closest tasting to the Haden. ll the rest except for Bailey's marvel, I think are not even close to Haden. Edward like a haden???? Get real, Edward is so much better :) I like Haden but it is VERY susceptible to anthracnose, at least in my yard in Brevard county, FL. I think the best choice on that list of Haden flavor and best all around mango would have to be Bailey's marvel...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Die Die fungus Mango Regimen
« on: January 23, 2018, 12:56:44 PM »
I agree with you Kada, use the minimum possible to achieve the desired outcome. Wear protective gear at all times! Eyes and lungs especially. I know both the sulfur and the copper are generally considered safe and that is why I would apply some in dire circumstances, but I don't think I would start at the top range of concentration. You also have to think of collateral damage to the environment. Definitely don't want copper in our lakes and streams...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Die Die fungus Mango Regimen
« on: January 22, 2018, 01:01:56 PM »
Hey Joe, that sounds like a lot of product to use in 1 gallon. Is that what the instructions tell you to add? I use about 1 tablespoon per gallon of each.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help: Powdery Mildew on Mango?
« on: January 06, 2018, 04:36:41 PM »
I agree, NOT powdery Mildew. The temps have to be in the 50's or 60's and it has to be humid. I don't think California has much problem with PM, as the nurserymen seem to allude to. Now Florida is another story. And sulfur spray is what keeps PM in check.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is happening to my mangoes?
« on: January 06, 2018, 04:25:52 PM »
I agree with wslau, I would cut back on watering. I would also leave the lemon zest graft if it took. Something to be proud of. Grafting any mango to mango should not be a problem, although I had a tough time trying to graft Edward to Alphonso rootstock. Took me a lot of tries. Your small stubby growth could be from cold or could be some micro deficiency. Your scorched leaves may be from salt build up or from too much water. Do you have hard water? Best thing to do is probably wait and see if it starts growing in warmer weather. I don't think spraying with copper would hurt, but I would not go crazy trying a bunch of different things to try to remedy your situation. Sometimes you can over-love a plant to death. I've done it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What else is good?
« on: January 05, 2018, 01:03:21 PM »
I would consider a Lemon Zest, Edward, and Carrie Mango. All my favorites. Sweetheart Lychee, very delicious. And i have read that sweet tart mango vies for best ever mango in terms of taste, production and disease resistance. I have a young one flowering now ;D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mango grafting / topworking ??????????????
« on: November 20, 2017, 06:14:21 PM »
Carrie is a good choice! One of my favorite mangos. Hopefully, the anthracnose that some talk about with Carrie, is not affecting their output... Let us know how the topworking goes ;D ;D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mango grafting / topworking ??????????????
« on: November 18, 2017, 11:22:24 AM »
Hey Pineislander,
If it were my tree, I would cut at a 45 degree angle above the branch going to the left in the picture. Above 3rd branch I believe. I would then wait till next growing season and graft to the new sprouts. You want to leave some of the tree to keep it active. I would not cut below all your branches and try to graft. I think too much can go wrong and why risk it? The other thing I might consider is leaving maybe 6 inches on a branch growing in a good direction, wait for new sprouts and graft to them. The main take away is cut a branch for top working and leave the other branches for the health of the tree. Once a new branch is growing, cut and graft another. Just my opinion:)

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I really don't understand any of your choices except the Beverly, which I think is a good mango. Delores, Nancy, and Lil Gem are all new and unproven as a dooryard tree. Who knows about production with these? Or even disease resistance? If you want a nice old flavored mango which is late, go with Keitt too- it's decent flavor and quite productive. Bombay is one of my faves and is very productive, at least for me. I'm inland with high humidity. My Kent is suffering badly...
Zill or Van Dyke???? With all the new varieties that Zill has released, do you not like your parents or something? :) Some of your options are the renowned sweet tart and lemon zest, which have proven their productivity. Cotton Candy, Phoenix, fruit punch and Venus would also be good options.
Pickering is always productive and well liked. Another option for your situation would be fairchild, especially for the front yard, or the peach cobbler...
All of these I think would be much better options for giving your parents a nice mango tree with decent production and good flavor.
I'm multigrafting a tree at my parent's house. I added bombay, carrie, keitt and lemon zest to a Haden tree.

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I have a Bombay mango tree that is one of my absolute favorites each year out of about 30 varieties I own. Grows and fruits well in the humidity, about 20 ft from a lake. Nice clean fruit every year without spraying. It can be a big tree but I keep it pruned to 12-15ft. Mine are 1-1.5 lb fruits, extremely sweet with a little tangy-ness and resin component which I love. Deep orange,juicy and almost fiber free flesh. Basically free stone inside the fruit. Seeds are about the cleanest I've seen, almost no hairs or fibers longer than a couple millimeters. Should be on everyones list to grow in Florida! IMO, of course...

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As far as the Rosigold vs. Choc anon question, I think the Rosigold is much better flavored than choc anon. The first couple of years on the young tree, I was not impressed with Rosi, but the last couple of years the fruit has been really tasty! I have not gotten two crops from my Rosigold. Don't know if you will get two crops, especially if growing in KC,MO.

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It does apply to every mango and probably every fruit. My Graham mango was pretty bad the first few years I tried it, but now it is really delicious. Last two years have been one of the best tasting mangoes! I hope my Mallika gets better also...

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