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Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Ugni molinae
« on: January 12, 2018, 04:49:53 AM »
Hi Mikkel,

Ugni Molinae ripens around October here, if you remind me next October, I can send you some seeds.


Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2017 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: January 04, 2018, 04:54:16 PM »
Here are some pictures of the Pawpaw festival I managed to get to last October in the Netherlands. It was great! They really have all the varieties there and you could see, taste and learn everything about Pawpaws

I had my first taste of Pawpaw and it was absolutely delicious. I had read about this fruit for over 8 years and never tasted one... This is a very very good fruit. I drove 2 hours to get to the Country Winery

They had lots of things going on and were selling Pawpaw trees, seeds, jam, pie and even Pawpaw beer. If you are ever in the neighborhood, go take a look there. He is the only guy that sells Petersons Pawpaws in Europe, he has a license from him and knows Mr. Peterson personally.

Here are the pictures:

A beautiful place and a sunny day:

The propagation greenhouse

The Pawpaw Orchard

Some of the grafted plants for sale

My prize and bounty after a very nice daytrip

Hope you enjoyed the pictures - I'll have to wait a couple of years for my first fruits...

Oh, I almost forgot, this is their website:

Hi Carlos,

Your seeds arrived today, they look good and I will get them planted as soon as possible. Thank you very much!

I’m with you on the search for better tasting varieties. I grow a couple of young trees here, and it is quite hard to find seeds from superior quality. I know the university of Montevideo in Uruguay has a program to look for better varieties, but even they are skeptical and haven’t really found one yet. Miguel’s report on his exceptional seedling is very hopeful though, and also the fact that genetically the Ubajai is close to Uvaia, so they may cross sometimes. If you ever find seeds of a good variety, i’m very interested! My young trees are only two years ol, but very beautiful and very easy to grow. They can take a lot of cold, drought and neglect and still look healthy and green.
Good luck!

Congratulations, Marcos!
It looks delicious. My oldest plant is 5 years old, in a pot and hasn’t flowered yet. I have good hopes for next year, but we will see... I am also very curious to what it will taste like. It looks like you will be drowning in Uvaia’s soon as well!
Thanks for sharing, always a joy to see your videos,

Hi Caesar,

I think you are doing everything right, step by step. I got interested in permaculture and fruit breeding both out of curiosity and idealism, but I do have another education, job and passion which is my ‘first love’.
On the other hand I always fantasized about my ‘plant hobby’ to someday be able to generate some money or income, but after eight years of spending a lot of time and thoughts on it I realize that that is very hard to do ‘on the side’ . I am afraid there is not a lot of ‘passive income’ to generate from farm work and fruit breeding is by now an equally complex art, so adjusted to market demands it has become not only an enormous long shot, but in order to develop new varieties into a licensed or patented product that generates money ‘passively’ you have to work full time at it. So the ‘passive’ part is very relative.

Nonetheless some permaculture farms that are well planned and thought through have flourished and taken off also commercially. These are truly admirable enterprises and have given a better idea on how to make such a thing work. All of them take it as seriously hard work and research their context and market extensively, start small and scale things up later.
You might want to check out the videos of this guy:

Good luck!

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Ugni molinae - autumn crop.
« on: October 13, 2017, 01:04:34 PM »
Very nice plants!
Thank you for sharing your results and taste test, Heinrich. I agree that broad leaf is a more accurate description than large leaf variety.
I had similar results as far as the size of the berries went for both varieties. Unfortunately all my mature broad leaf plants died last year in a freeze that went on for ten days and went below -8 while they were in pots outside.
I did save seeds from all my varieties and have now quite a number of seedlings going from these different types. They are now one year old and I am reporting them for winter. In spring I'll post some pictures of the different leaf types I found between them, no surprises there. They are all in a range from very narrow to quite broad leaves.
I am curious to see after how many years they will start to fruit...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A wealth of different types of Uvaia
« on: September 24, 2017, 11:05:21 AM »
Ahh, I see now. I missed the link underneath. I have a couple of two and three year old Eugenia's, but I haven't been able to grow them 'fast' in a greenhouse, with adequate heat and moisture. I grew them outside in summer in our Northern European climate but from around this time of the year they come inside and basically stop growing.
So I haven't had any surprises of super early flowering plants yet... but still keeping my fingers crossed for next year.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First jaboticaba flower buds??????
« on: September 19, 2017, 12:36:35 PM »
Congratulations, Marcos!
I thought they looked like flower buds as well, but you know more about Jaboticaba's then I do. I'm looking forward to find out what type of fruit this one will give. The plant is absolutely amazing. Very beautiful! Good luck

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A wealth of different types of Uvaia
« on: September 19, 2017, 12:34:44 PM »
Wow, Heinrich, that is amazing.
I cannot tell if it is an Uvaia, but as far as I can see it could very well be. I have a couple of Pitanga and one Uvaia seedling that have the same triple-leaf symmetry instead of opposite leafs. But I have never seen such a small seedling flower, you must be doing something right!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Feijoa - Acca sellowiana cold hardiness?
« on: September 12, 2017, 01:12:58 PM »
Mine have survived -8 Celsius. But others have died in winters with more snow and longer frosts. Not necessarily colder, but just longer frost periods. It is the snow that kills them. If you have a way to get the snow off their leaves quickly they may even take more frost.
And plants with their roots deep in the ground come back after hard frosts. Plants in pots have no thermal mass to protect their roots and they die at -8 Celsius
Hope that helps

Beautiful and amazing! I hope she fruits soon!

I sort of gave up on Jaboticaba's - I thought I was in a climate that was too cold and that Jaboticaba's were too sensitive to sunlight and water and soil pH to be worth growing. It turns out that after killing most of them the four survivors I have suddenly picked up and grew literally to three times their size this last year.  I now think that they are delicate in the first two to three years and afterwards they are a beautiful and very rewarding plant.
I only have four left though  ::)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Category 4 Hurricane Irma
« on: September 08, 2017, 11:38:47 AM »
I feel terrible for you guys, please stay safe. Best of luck for all.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My first avocado harvest - New variety
« on: September 08, 2017, 03:38:44 AM »
Congratulations, Lorenzo, that looks like a beautiful fruit.

This is very inspiring and encouraging news. Four years is not bad at all, I have some seedlings that are older than that and still quite small, but I am in a much colder climate.
I have no idea what the ratio is for avocado's since none of my seedlings have fruited yet, but I heard that around 1 in 4 should be a good one. Yours look definitely in a class above that, congratulations again!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: pitangatuba cultivars
« on: August 21, 2017, 06:40:23 AM »
Nice report, Azorean.

It looks like your plant 1 has a much rounder fruit type than my plant. And your plant 2 also has a fruit set like I have not seen before. My plant just had it's third bloom this year and one fruit is setting, but already in that stage my fruits look very elongated compared to yours.

I'm curious to hear your report on plant 2!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: psidium to ID
« on: August 21, 2017, 06:31:19 AM »
Hi Huertas!
Could itbe Ps. Salutare? I have one of those and they grow really really slow, stay very low and have big leaves, like a guava. Mine just made a single stem without branches, but maybe it is worth checking. Does it have square stems at the new green growing tips?

Nice find!


Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2017 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: August 16, 2017, 12:01:00 PM »
Congratulations, they look like quality fruit.

I'm hoping to finally get a first taste of Pawpaw this year. I'll be going to a local Pawpaw festival in the east of the Netherlands in mid October. Still two months away, but I'll post pics when I get there.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: pitangatuba cultivars
« on: August 16, 2017, 07:51:56 AM »
Hi Azorean, your plants look very interesting and different from each other.
My 5 year old Pitangatuba fruited for the first time this year, two fruits of the long type, I got seeds from Helton from Brazil in 2012.

Grown in a windowsill, taste: very tropical, hints of mango, citrus, sweet and acidic, but not overly so, with definite funky undertones of wet towels, vomit and stale cheap wine. Different, but very interesting. The consistency of the flesh was very juicy and a bit fibrous. It had a nice bite, but was extremely fragile.

Keep us posted on the development of your fruits.


Citrus General Discussion / Re: The History Of Citrus Fruit
« on: August 14, 2017, 01:39:55 PM »
None of the cones in the pictures that Mikkel posted have the pineapple type spiky leaves growing out of the top like a pine apple, as they are shown in the mosaic.

That is right, and that might be the very thing that throws the historians off. I've been looking at this for a while now, and my first thought was that the only other thing it could be would be a pine cone (which, by the way in a lot of languages is reffered to as a pine-Apple)
I am convinced that it actually depicts a pine-cone and that the artist added some leaves - just 'some leaves in general' in the back to make it symmetrical with the leaves that are depicted behind the bowl on the left side. That is what makes it confusing.

The Italian professor has only two more images to make his case about the pineapple and to convince us that the Romans had contact with the America's. The images are the following:

The other images show fruit that could very well be odd artistic interpretations of clusters of grapes or other pine cones.
What do you think?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrceugenia growing experiences
« on: August 02, 2017, 05:54:18 PM »
Hey, Alexandre, that is great news!

I knew the M Miersiana is very popular in Brazil and it is great to hear the fruits are sweet and good out of hand. I would be interested in seeds when te season comes for these. I think that there are at least two other interesting species in Brazil fruit wise. But before zonepushers get their hopes up, M Miersiana is already a zone 9 plant I think.

I remember that Marcos (Huertasurbanas) from Argentina has one or two Myrceugenia's in his collection that should be good in zone 9a, maybe 8b? I think he has M Glaucescens, but I don't think they have fruited yet, so we have no idea about the taste of those.

Do you have M Myrcoides as well? I thought that that could be another interesting Brazilian Myrceugenia.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrceugenia growing experiences
« on: August 02, 2017, 04:34:48 PM »
I have some experience with Myrceugenias. I got interested in them for the same reasons as you and there are a lot of species out there.

My experience is that the Chilean species are relatively hard to find, but you can find them. I have grown Myrceugenia Chrysocarpa, M. Leptospermoides and M. Lanceolata. The last two have a very small and dry fruit with less than one millimeter of fruit flesh surrounding a couple of big seeds. The Chrysocarpa died on me at -8 Celsius, where my Feijoa's and Ugni's took a hard hit, but survived.

My conclusion was that in their own climate zone (8b, 9a) the Ugni and Luma species are far more promising than the Myrceugenia's I grew. Luma is quite variable but can taste really good. Sweet and creamy. And Ugni's are so aromatic, that it's hard not to fall in love with that little fruit.

I would be interested in seeds of M ovata v. nanophylla if you can actually find some. I have emailed that desertnorthwest website twice without any response, but that might be because I am in Europe.

The really interesting Myrceugenia's seem to be the Brazilian ones, at least for fruit purposes. But those I have never, or almost never seen for sale, and then they are adapted to the same climate zones as the Eugenia's, compared to which they have smaller and less interesting fruit.

That has been my experience

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting: Female x Male plants
« on: July 31, 2017, 04:27:50 PM »
Thank you, Oscar, for clearing that up.
I remember reading once that it didn't seem to work for one specific species, I think it was Pistacchio, but I cannot remember exactly. In any case it cannot hurt trying.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting: Female x Male plants
« on: July 31, 2017, 02:31:59 PM »
Hi Cassio,
I can not give you the references to research on this, but I asked myself this question a couple of years ago and over the years I have seen different research with different answers. I guess it depends on the species. For some species it seems to work, for others not. So you would have to research it for the specific species you want to try this with.

Hope this helps

Citrus General Discussion / Re: The History Of Citrus Fruit
« on: July 28, 2017, 01:59:28 PM »
Yes, it seems to be an authentic mosaic floor from the first century BC.

I googled a little more and I am not the first one to be surprised by the pineapple. An Italian professor asserts that the Romans must have had contact with the native Brazilians 1500 years before Columbus because of this picture. Crazy, huh?

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